Same folks up front

Douglas12373 said:

schaefferlax said:

The entitlement is palpable anytime you're around this group.

have you seen the ticket threads? Entitlement is rife in this community

ally12 said:

Marieow said:

I'm relatively new to "Pearl Jam Rail Culture". I've gotten rail 5 times in the last 20 shows I have attended. Some of those tickets were 10C lottery wins, others I obsessively checked F2F.

While waiting in line, I've made incredible friends. I've helped others who are new to the process because during my first night, many people were very kind and generous to me. I have witnessed MORE incredible acts of generosity than negativity while in line and that is what keeps me going back (when I have the time and tickets, of course). Except for the stressors of getting to the line early enough, I find waiting in line to be very relaxing. That's my selling point when I try to convince my fiends. There's nothing to do all day but sit, relax, and connect with others about Pearl Jam. I've waited my whole life for that! No one I knew liked them when I was growing up. The day goes fast for me because it's probably the only chance I can actually feel okay about not being productive for most of the day. How rare is that? 

Now I hope I can convey my intention clearly here, as I'm trying to provide a fair insight into the situation.  Reading through this thread, I am not going to tell anyone that they didn't experience what they experienced, for better or worse. I have a friend that had a very bad experience, and some of the behavior lines up with some things that other friends have told me they experienced. Of course, I only know their side, but when different people (from different regions of the US) say the same thing, it's really hard not to wonder if they are true. That said, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and talk with them. Some of the people I heard bad things about turned out to be awesome AF! And others, I've tried to break the ice but got the cold shoulder instead. What can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.  We all have bad moments or get off on the wrong foot with someone.  I realize now, more often than not, it's a misunderstanding. 

Speaking of the idea of official numbering systems, I want to share what Iron Maiden does (I'm also in their fan club).  I'm curious about your thoughts. IMFC gives fans with GA tickets the opportunity to enter into their First to the Barrier contest. The week of the show, 60 people (and their plus 1) are notified that they won.  This is how they choose winners: "All the valid entries for a show go into a spreadsheet, then we de-duplicate the entries to make sure it’s only one per person. Then we have a quick visual check for anything obviously wrong (like people not putting a real name in). Finally we use a random number generator to assign each entry a number, and sort the entries based on that number. The lowest 60 numbers win." No waiting in line, just show up and get your wristband and you can enter in to as many shows as you have GA tickets for. Not everyone who qualifies for the contest enters. 

I'd love for 10C to do this, but there's one caveat.  Everyone who has rail for Iron Maiden loses their minds during the show! We all know the energy you provide to a band comes back at you. Meaning, people who win FTTB bring the energy every time. I'm not sure if PJ fans can consistently do this, TBH. Am I wrong? I do know that as it is right now, the PJ rail regulars consistently bring it! 

I think I saw you in Vancouver! This is a solid suggestion! 
 
So say for Pittsburgh, Iron Maiden notifies all the GA ticket holders of their rail contest. 60 people enter the contest and the band draws and assigns number 1-60. number 1-20 get rail and numbers 20-60 will be second row and so on? I just guess led how long their rail im sure you would k ow the exact cut off number. 

Iron Maiden runs the same contest for every concert date?

The system makes sense and some locations do this but it’s not a sanctioned contest. 

MSG I believe gave out numbered wristbands in the AM and asked everyone  to leave.

i think the fan base will bring the energy more. You can use MSG as an example, everyone was well rested and brought the energy. 

baldog27 said:

This is the way.  There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk.  To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue.  Lol.

baldog27 said:

This is the way.  There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk.  To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue.  Lol.

DP13 said:

Stop allowing us to transfer 10c tickets.

We think it's a convenience to be able to put in for every show we might want to attend, and have our +1 also put in for every show who we might want to attend, with zero downside other than sitting on extra tickets for a few months, but ultimately it costs all of us a great deal of stress and money.  It is not the perk we think it is.  

Demand has changed, every 10c member that wants tickets would get tickets from the 10c to almost every show.  Those that get shutout initially wouldn't panic have to turn to PJ Premium or worse and get scalped.

People would still trade their extra GA and alot of the diehards would still find a way, but it would be harder and lead to some different faces. 

I think if the 10c wanted a headache they could allow every member 1 hardship cancellation per lifetime, but that would create work for them and honestly, the same people that made posts crying when they had to eat their tickets because they were deployed to mars with cancer while their dog needed a brain transplant will just make the same post the second time the need a get out of jail free card.

Dissident67 said:

baldog27 said:

This is the way.  There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk.  To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue.  Lol.

This is definitely the best system. But anybody that is mad at people in the Pearl Jam pit or this system, should go check out phish.net. The phish pit is very far from perfect. The most notorious Phish pit jerk, nicknamed Antelope Greg, died this year and it seemed like every member of the phish community had a story about what an asshole he was. 

If anybody in the Pearl Jam pit ever sees a person with a tarp and duct tape, tackle that person. Trust me. 

Dissident67 said:

baldog27 said:

This is the way.  There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk.  To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue.  Lol.

This is definitely the best system. But anybody that is mad at people in the Pearl Jam pit or this system, should go check out phish.net. The phish pit is very far from perfect. The most notorious Phish pit jerk, nicknamed Antelope Greg, died this year and it seemed like every member of the phish community had a story about what an asshole he was. 

If anybody in the Pearl Jam pit ever sees a person with a tarp and duct tape, tackle that person. Trust me. 

schaefferlax said:

My main complaint with the rail riders is that they are absolutely selfish, absolutely hold spots and game the system any way they can, and absolutely ruin the vibes in the front of the pit. They are so defensive of their spots that there is a tense feeling the entire show. Spoiler alert, people are going to weasel their way up to the front. It's GA. How did these people survive the 90s shows? The entitlement is palpable anytime you're around this group.

Douglas12373 said:

The Phish lottery hasn't changed anything, though it is a noble attempt. The same folks are still upfront at every show because they quickly figured out how to game the lottery system with fake names, multiple entries, and the same horse trading among the regulars that you see here in PJ land.

spankyMP said:

Dissident67 said:

baldog27 said:

This is the way.  There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk.  To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue.  Lol.

This is definitely the best system. But anybody that is mad at people in the Pearl Jam pit or this system, should go check out phish.net. The phish pit is very far from perfect. The most notorious Phish pit jerk, nicknamed Antelope Greg, died this year and it seemed like every member of the phish community had a story about what an asshole he was. 

If anybody in the Pearl Jam pit ever sees a person with a tarp and duct tape, tackle that person. Trust me. 

Not that I'm complaining, but Phish seems to have rail regulars, like the black bra girl at MSG last year. Again, not that I'm complaining or that it impacted my behind stage view/experience