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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    no, they took a turn for the worse in 2016
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    no, they took a turn for the worse in 2016
    I agree. And I don't think it had anything to do with trump back then, that was before he took office. The whole Michael Brown incident and BLM taking off was back in 2014. Before the whole escalator announcement even. I blame the culture of diversity training more than anything. And now everything is about race even when it isn't. BLM was calling for protests and riots after the penny verdict yesterday, which had nothing other than do with race. 
    I remember my first day in a new district back in 2018, we spent 2 days in diversity training where it was basically just white people = bad for 2 days. At the end of the second day a black co-worker stood up and said "I'm going home hating all white people" and he was applauded for his honesty. It didn't start with trump and its not going to end with him.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I meant when he campaigned and won in 2016
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I meant when he campaigned and won in 2016
    I knew what you meant. But I was point out they were already going downhill before that, so I don't see its fair to blame race relations on Trump. It started under Obama, but I wouldn't blame him either. 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I meant when he campaigned and won in 2016
    I knew what you meant. But I was point out they were already going downhill before that, so I don't see its fair to blame race relations on Trump. It started under Obama, but I wouldn't blame him either. 
    But why under Obama? Oh yeah...because trump questioned his citizenship?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I meant when he campaigned and won in 2016
    I knew what you meant. But I was point out they were already going downhill before that, so I don't see its fair to blame race relations on Trump. It started under Obama, but I wouldn't blame him either. 
    But why under Obama? Oh yeah...because trump questioned his citizenship?
    I think you're giving trump too much credit for things going on in 2014.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    mace1229 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    no, they took a turn for the worse in 2016
    I agree. And I don't think it had anything to do with trump back then, that was before he took office. The whole Michael Brown incident and BLM taking off was back in 2014. Before the whole escalator announcement even. I blame the culture of diversity training more than anything. And now everything is about race even when it isn't. BLM was calling for protests and riots after the penny verdict yesterday, which had nothing other than do with race. 
    I remember my first day in a new district back in 2018, we spent 2 days in diversity training where it was basically just white people = bad for 2 days. At the end of the second day a black co-worker stood up and said "I'm going home hating all white people" and he was applauded for his honesty. It didn't start with trump and its not going to end with him.
    Much of Trump fever in 2016 had to do with backlash of having a black president that went “too far” and the right needed to “take the country back”. It had little to do with diversity training. Republicans harnessed the anger and perceived white victimhood that came from a more egalitarian society. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Bingo Beaver 
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  • tbergs
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Bingo Beaver 
    Leave it to beaver, I guess.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    I still hear the "division started with Obama" shit all the time. It started DURING Obama's term because of bullshit racism against the first black president. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Gern Blansten said:
    I still hear the "division started with Obama" shit all the time. It started DURING Obama's term because of bullshit racism against the first black president. 
    Exactly. "We never worried about race until Obama got in." First of all, that's not true and has never been true. Second, I can't think of a single thing he did, outside of being black, that was racial divisive. 

    I've been wrong about two presidential elections dating back to 1984. One was 2008. I did not think America was ready to elect a black president. I was wrong. Turns out America was ready to elect a black president; it just wasn't ready to have a black president.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    tbergs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Bingo Beaver 
    Leave it to beaver, I guess.
    I made that profile name after a few beers thinking it was an easy change 😂
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    I figured you went to Oregon State.
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    OnWis97 said:
    I figured you went to Oregon State.
    I’m a fan. At the moment I was excited because they finally won a conference basketball game. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I still hear the "division started with Obama" shit all the time. It started DURING Obama's term because of bullshit racism against the first black president. 
    Exactly. "We never worried about race until Obama got in." First of all, that's not true and has never been true. Second, I can't think of a single thing he did, outside of being black, that was racial divisive. 

    I've been wrong about two presidential elections dating back to 1984. One was 2008. I did not think America was ready to elect a black president. I was wrong. Turns out America was ready to elect a black president; it just wasn't ready to have a black president.
    Trumpolinni was miffed after the dinner where Obama ragged on him! 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    josevolution said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I still hear the "division started with Obama" shit all the time. It started DURING Obama's term because of bullshit racism against the first black president. 
    Exactly. "We never worried about race until Obama got in." First of all, that's not true and has never been true. Second, I can't think of a single thing he did, outside of being black, that was racial divisive. 

    I've been wrong about two presidential elections dating back to 1984. One was 2008. I did not think America was ready to elect a black president. I was wrong. Turns out America was ready to elect a black president; it just wasn't ready to have a black president.
    Trumpolinni was miffed after the dinner where Obama ragged on him! 
    I hope not. I really hope one joke at the expensive of someone that was more thin-skinned than anyone realized was not the impetus for this entire nightmare.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    OnWis97 said:
    josevolution said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I still hear the "division started with Obama" shit all the time. It started DURING Obama's term because of bullshit racism against the first black president. 
    Exactly. "We never worried about race until Obama got in." First of all, that's not true and has never been true. Second, I can't think of a single thing he did, outside of being black, that was racial divisive. 

    I've been wrong about two presidential elections dating back to 1984. One was 2008. I did not think America was ready to elect a black president. I was wrong. Turns out America was ready to elect a black president; it just wasn't ready to have a black president.
    Trumpolinni was miffed after the dinner where Obama ragged on him! 
    I hope not. I really hope one joke at the expensive of someone that was more thin-skinned than anyone realized was not the impetus for this entire nightmare.
    a lot of people believe that theory. 
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,537
    To be fair, Seth Meyers went after him a bunch too. 


    I've watched that roast a few times over the years and it still kills.

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Tim Simmons said:
    To be fair, Seth Meyers went after him a bunch too. 


    I've watched that roast a few times over the years and it still kills.

    I have this feeling that the Obama stuff bothered him more. 

    Call it a hunch. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I still hear the "division started with Obama" shit all the time. It started DURING Obama's term because of bullshit racism against the first black president. 
    Exactly. "We never worried about race until Obama got in." First of all, that's not true and has never been true. Second, I can't think of a single thing he did, outside of being black, that was racial divisive. 

    I've been wrong about two presidential elections dating back to 1984. One was 2008. I did not think America was ready to elect a black president. I was wrong. Turns out America was ready to elect a black president; it just wasn't ready to have a black president.
    damn. your last sentence feels spot on. hadnt considered that. Fuck, Obama even took Ohio.  TWICE.

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