#46 President Joe Biden

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  • Lerxst1992
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    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 
    Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.
    He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

    I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
     He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

    and he subsequently paid it.
    Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
    Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?
    because the charges came AFTER he had already dealt with it in the case of the taxes...the gun charge was all they could find and it was pretty lame if you ask me. They just had to find something...ironic that the pro gun party charged him with that.
    My understand is charges and fines/penbalities are not related. The IRS will issue payment with fees for any amount owed. Most of the time it could be a mistake, but fees are still owed. The IRS doesn't press charges.
    If there was fraud determined, then the DOJ can press charges. Paying fees on skipped taxes does not exempt you from charges. Not paying $1.5 million in taxes is kinda a big deal, people have and do go to prison for less.
    I don't disagree with that but the reason the charges came was due to the special counsel that Biden agreed to not interfere with. They knew that the IRS had issue with some of his tax returns which had already been dealt with. The charges that came about related to those would NOT have been charged without the special counsel trying to find SOMETHING to charge him with.

    The IRS charges tax plus penalties and interest. The penalties can be severe if you don't file and owe a lot. It sounded to me like Hunter was taking "loans" from his business rather than payroll. The IRS basically said you can't do that and reclassified the loans as compensation.

    So Hunter got tagged with doing what the wealthy do (income vs loans) but since he wasn't wealthy enough, got screwed by the IRS.


    ..mace1229 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Doesn’t help that he specifically said he wouldn’t pardon him either. Throwing up an easy lay up to magas 
    Yeah the optics are bad but he did let the process play out. But fuck...trump says that he will pardon the J6 criminals and the magats were proud to vote for that so fuck them.
    He only let the process play out to see if a pardon wasn't needed. If he got a good deal or not guilty verdict, etc. I always believed he was going to pardon him after the election. 

    I don't get the argument of "it's just tax fraud.' People get charged for tax evasion every year, and 2/3 get jail time for it.  https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Tax_Fraud_FY16.pdf
     He avoided $1.5 million and filed a false return. People have received prison terms for less. 

    and he subsequently paid it.
    Plenty of people get the IRS fine and still face charges. Happens all the time. Paying back what you stole from the government doesn't erase the crime. 
    Now I don't think he deserved hard prison time. But pardoning him before even the sentence was handed down after stating he would not pardon him is definitely a bad look. He avoided taxes, turned in a fraud tax return and lied to buy a gun. How exactly was Hunter being treated unfairly by being charged for things he admitted to doing? Because he said "sorry" and wrote a book about it its unfair he's now charged?
    because the charges came AFTER he had already dealt with it in the case of the taxes...the gun charge was all they could find and it was pretty lame if you ask me. They just had to find something...ironic that the pro gun party charged him with that.
    My understand is charges and fines/penbalities are not related. The IRS will issue payment with fees for any amount owed. Most of the time it could be a mistake, but fees are still owed. The IRS doesn't press charges.
    If there was fraud determined, then the DOJ can press charges. Paying fees on skipped taxes does not exempt you from charges. Not paying $1.5 million in taxes is kinda a big deal, people have and do go to prison for less.

    Yes, like Charlie Kushner. Well...that was actually more. Alot more.
    I don't think he should have bene pardoned either. But he was pardoned after he served his sentence and was released from jail. A little meaningless and a bit different from a blanket pardon from all crimes before he was even sentenced. 
    I just saw he was an ambassador pick too. Not a fan of that move either. 

    I was addressing the political aspect of the pardon. 

    Kushners crime was completely legitimate, or as Christie called it, the most "loathesome" crime he ever prosecuted. Hunter needed a special counsel and a recanting of a plea deal, and likely would not have been prosecuted had he not been the presidents son.
  • pjl44
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    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


  • pjl44
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    This is outstanding 


  • DE4173
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    pjl44 said:
    This is outstanding 


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    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    Ten years is the statute of limitations for non capital offense federal crimes.  


  • The Juggler
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Put trump in Biden's shoes....he would have been whining and crying every fucking day about how unfair the DOJ was being against his son. He would have been making a bunch of insane threats, etc.

    Biden never said a fucking thing.
    Well Biden said he wouldn’t pardon him, as did his press secretary on multiple occasions, but now he has pardoned him. So why would he whine about the DOJ being unfair during the investigation when he knew all along he was going to pardon him? 
    Why do you think he knew all along he was going to pardon him?

    Perhaps it was the nomination of this complete and utter stooge, Kash Patel, who has said repeatedly over the last few years that the next Trump admin would specifically target Biden's son?
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  • Go Beavers
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    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
  • DE4173
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    Ten years is the statute of limitations for non capital offense federal crimes.  


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  • mrussel1
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    DE4173 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    Ten years is the statute of limitations for non capital offense federal crimes.  


    Thanks!
    This was a general statement and true for lots of financial crimes. Some are five but it stands to reason why the date would be 2014. 
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  • pjl44
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    Go Beavers said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
  • pjl44
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    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    Ten years is the statute of limitations for non capital offense federal crimes.  


    Fair enough that he was thinking more broadly about his federal criminal activity 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ummm, excuse me? When is Hillary going to be indicted?
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  • bootlegger10
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    Go Beavers said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Would it include Hunter’s kid they don’t acknowledge?   Fine people.
  • mickeyrat
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    TOTALLY EXCONERATED!!!!!!






    nice use of what could easily be a fuckstickism....
    Yeah.....at this point, I'm like fuck it. Everyone seems to be clutching their pearls on social media over this. Who fucking cares? These were bullshit charges. Everyone knows it.

    It would have been better if he just didn't talk about instead of saying he wouldn't pardon him.......but clearly Trump is putting together a clown show cabinet intent on bullshit retaliation. Things have changed....so fuck it. Go ahead and give yourself a blanket pardon while you're at it Joe. lol. 

    talk in those spaces , or rather a pointed suggestion, that biden pardon every known or suspected target of fucksticks ire....
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  • pjl44
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    It's true that it won't define his Presidency, which will mostly be remembered as a prolonged attempted cover-up of a man in obvious cognitive decline 
  • Go Beavers
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    pjl44 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
  • pjl44
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    Go Beavers said:
    pjl44 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
  • Go Beavers
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    bootlegger10 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Would it include Hunter’s kid they don’t acknowledge?   Fine people.
    Character is no longer relevant. 
  • Go Beavers
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    pjl44 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    pjl44 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    pjl44 said:
    DE4173 said:
    I know, "but Trump..." but why did the period of the pardon begin on 1/1/14?
    Totally arbitrary I'm sure

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/


    When you guys say ‘the Biden family’, who else besides Hunter does that include? 
    Click the link and check. It's from the House Oversight Committee.
    You must be miffed that Biden was never impeached. 
    Ironically it would have improved Democrats' electoral chances had he been removed from office. Sliding doors and whatnot.
    Sure. Back to the point. Why wasn’t he impeached? 

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