#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,576
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm sorry, were they wearing Biden 2020 hats?  Anarchists don't vote.  Jan 6th was chock full of MAGA gear specifically to support Trump.  Anarchists don't support corporate democrats.  
    Exactly. These are not democrats. lol. 
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,693
    Jan 6 was about ending democracy I’m my opinion it’s not on the same level! How many cops were beaten by protesters? From what I remember cops were kicking ass throughout that whole period! 
    There was an off duty cop beaten to death in one of the riots. There was a machete or axe ambushing of a few cops in NY I believe in that summer. The one I remember the most was in LA where 2 police officers parked and someone came by and shot them both in the head. There was. female who was shot in the jaw, trying to render aid to her partner who was shot in the head. You could barely understand her calls for help because of her injuries. There was a video tape of the shooting and bystanders were cheering on the shooter then mocking the injuries of the female officer. I think that was also the same incident where protestors blocked the ambulance from entering the hospital, chanting for them to die. I'm sure there are more instances, those are just what I remember off the top of my head. 
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,613
    mrussel1 said:
    What about the girl that testified to congress that she had sex with Gaetz when she was 17 and still in high school?  Is that a lie, deep state, what?
    That wasn't a 17-year-old girl. It was Nancy Pelosi in a Catholic school girl dress. She fooled all the libs on the committee.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,693
    tbergs said:
    Thanks for the response on this Mace. You put a lot in here, but I'm just going to focus on the FEMA example. In that instance, a single employee was at fault, not FEMA in general, and ultimately fired. No prominent, or even reasonable person, on the dems side is defending it. Seems like it was handled appropriately. On the other hand, many of the things you're listing, people, including the incoming president, still to this day defend or downplay. 
    I agree with you here. She said it was common practice and she was directed by her supervisors, she was just the one who left a paper trail. But I'm not convinced of that yet.
    But my point is the horrible things that happen don't typically represent the majority. Most FEMA people want to help everyone, Just like most registered republicans are not happy with what happened on J6. They don't want protestors storming the capitol building and trashing the place. It was a relatively small number. I know it was a few thousand I believe, but I say relatively small compared to the 75 million who voted for trump who want to see that.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    Evel K said:
    I support DeFi not CBDC. The Federal Reserve printing money is a big part of the problem. 
    Big part of what problem?  The fact that we don't have catastrophic recessions, wildcat banks, bank runs and collapsing of economies and have not since the advent of the modern banking system?  What problem do you really think decentralized finance solves, and how do you look historically and say to yourself "boy it was way better in teh 1800's when we didn't have central banking"?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    Poncier said:
    That wasn't a 17-year-old girl. It was Nancy Pelosi in a Catholic school girl dress. She fooled all the libs on the committee.

    fuck dude... the mainstream media keeps lying to me!  I bet it was actually George Soros banging her too. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    mace1229 said:
    There was an off duty cop beaten to death in one of the riots. There was a machete or axe ambushing of a few cops in NY I believe in that summer. The one I remember the most was in LA where 2 police officers parked and someone came by and shot them both in the head. There was. female who was shot in the jaw, trying to render aid to her partner who was shot in the head. You could barely understand her calls for help because of her injuries. There was a video tape of the shooting and bystanders were cheering on the shooter then mocking the injuries of the female officer. I think that was also the same incident where protestors blocked the ambulance from entering the hospital, chanting for them to die. I'm sure there are more instances, those are just what I remember off the top of my head. 
    Were they chanting for moderate democrats to stage a coup and take over the country?  
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,407
    mace1229 said:
    I agree with you here. She said it was common practice and she was directed by her supervisors, she was just the one who left a paper trail. But I'm not convinced of that yet.
    But my point is the horrible things that happen don't typically represent the majority. Most FEMA people want to help everyone, Just like most registered republicans are not happy with what happened on J6. They don't want protestors storming the capitol building and trashing the place. It was a relatively small number. I know it was a few thousand I believe, but I say relatively small compared to the 75 million who voted for trump who want to see that.
    Most republicans are fine with J6. Only 1/3rd strongly disapprove, and 2/3rds support the pardons. The party’s rotten from the inside and the only way forward is widespread recognition of this. 

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,603
    Lol... Senate repubs not moving fwd on Gaetz without report 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,576
    Most republicans are fine with J6. Only 1/3rd strongly disapprove, and 2/3rds support the pardons. The party’s rotten from the inside and the only way forward is widespread recognition of this. 

    I've also seen some say the extreme maga right doesn't define its party over the years. 

    Clearly that is not the case with how this cabinet is shaping up. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,042
    I keep hearing people comparing J6 to the george floyd riots. Seriously, one you had all of them of one political persuasion, the other there was no way to tell. I mean, democrats don't typically wear flaming red moron beacons on their heads. Are you trying to tell me that NO republicans/R voters cared about the death of an unarmed black man at the hands of a cop? so if that's what you're saying, what does that reveal about those voters?
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  • Evel KEvel K Posts: 562
    mrussel1 said:
    I'm sorry, were they wearing Biden 2020 hats?  Anarchists don't vote.  Jan 6th was chock full of MAGA gear specifically to support Trump.  Anarchists don't support corporate democrats.  
    The equivalent of Jan. 6th by liberal woke Democrats. The original poster didn't say anything about Joe Biden. 
    Things were different then
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,481
    It's not the equivalent though. You don't have to like the behavior that occurred after Umbrella Man got it rolling but the response to yet another black American killed with seeming impunity vs. the actual attempt to kicking in the doors to keep an unelected man in power is comparting apples to gravy boats. 

    Note all the predictions of left-wing violence after Trump's win... nuthin.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,693
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    Most republicans are fine with J6. Only 1/3rd strongly disapprove, and 2/3rds support the pardons. The party’s rotten from the inside and the only way forward is widespread recognition of this. 

    2/3 still disagree, that's not most being fine. 1/3 "strongly" disagree, 1/3 disagree, and 1/3 approve. That 1/3 approving is larger than I thought it was, but it's gone up since 2021.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,246
    mace1229 said:
    2/3 still disagree, that's not most being fine. 1/3 "strongly" disagree, 1/3 disagree, and 1/3 approve. That 1/3 approving is larger than I thought it was, but it's gone up since 2021.
    That's because republican leadership and Trump have framed it as weaponization of the DOJ and a day of love, so revisionist history works once again to the Rs favor.

    I doubt you'll find one democrat looking back on the Floyd riots and saying anything supportive. They will probably still say that it points to a larger systemic problem with LE culture in general and advocate for reform, but that's just common fucking sense.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux said:
    I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:
    I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  
    For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.


    Nope. Trump voters and many more are VERY happy and EXCITED for the future. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,407
    mace1229 said:
    2/3 still disagree, that's not most being fine. 1/3 "strongly" disagree, 1/3 disagree, and 1/3 approve. That 1/3 approving is larger than I thought it was, but it's gone up since 2021.
    38% of republicans “disapprove somewhat”. That combined with 2/3rds supporting pardons tells
    me the 38% dialed their answer back because of social norms and not answering genuinely. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    Evel K said:
    The equivalent of Jan. 6th by liberal woke Democrats. The original poster didn't say anything about Joe Biden. 
    There’s no evidence that Portland rioters who committed crimes either vote or who they vote for. There is ample evidence showing that J6th rioters voted for Trump. Second, was there a national Democrat stirring them up?  No. There was in DC on J6. Give me a break. The comparison is silly. 

    Jan 6th riot was for a specific person and that person was Trump. 
  • mrussel1 said:

    The comparison is silly. 

    Very. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,141
    I keep hearing people comparing J6 to the george floyd riots. Seriously, one you had all of them of one political persuasion, the other there was no way to tell. I mean, democrats don't typically wear flaming red moron beacons on their heads. Are you trying to tell me that NO republicans/R voters cared about the death of an unarmed black man at the hands of a cop? so if that's what you're saying, what does that reveal about those voters?

    That's a good example of how some people with confused agendas will often grab at straws to make a point that is not fully formed.  They are often the same people that make decisions that they think are in their best interest yet are really the opposite.  Thus, 47.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    There’s no evidence that Portland rioters who committed crimes either vote or who they vote for. There is ample evidence showing that J6th rioters voted for Trump. Second, was there a national Democrat stirring them up?  No. There was in DC on J6. Give me a break. The comparison is silly. 

    Jan 6th riot was for a specific person and that person was Trump. 
    Plenty of evidence there were anti-Trump agitators involved in J6.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    Philly NJ said:
    Plenty of evidence there were anti-Trump agitators involved in J6.
    Agitators?  What does that mean?  Did they commit a crime or not?  Are you suggesting that the Trump supporters that committed a crime aren’t responsible for their own actions, that agitators duped them into committing a crime?
  • Evel KEvel K Posts: 562
    mrussel1 said:
    There’s no evidence that Portland rioters who committed crimes either vote or who they vote for. There is ample evidence showing that J6th rioters voted for Trump. Second, was there a national Democrat stirring them up?  No. There was in DC on J6. Give me a break. The comparison is silly. 

    Jan 6th riot was for a specific person and that person was Trump. 
    Selective memory from the Left. Yes, there were national Democrats stirring them up. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Ayanna Presley, Madonna... Remember the news coverage " Mostly Peaceful" , Remember " there needs to be unrest in the streets"?  
    Things were different then
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,481
    I don't know who these anti-Trump agitators were on January 6, but I do know who kicked off the Minneapolis riots after George Floyd's murder. Hint, it wasn't a "woke liberal."

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/us/umbrella-man-associated-white-supremacist-group-george-floyd/index.html

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,603
    Evel K said:
    Selective memory from the Left. Yes, there were national Democrats stirring them up. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Ayanna Presley, Madonna... Remember the news coverage " Mostly Peaceful" , Remember " there needs to be unrest in the streets"?  
    You've seen the footage. It was all that piece of shit trump 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,560
    Evel K said:
    Selective memory from the Left. Yes, there were national Democrats stirring them up. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Ayanna Presley, Madonna... Remember the news coverage " Mostly Peaceful" , Remember " there needs to be unrest in the streets"?  
    Mostly peaceful was a chyron on CNN not some call to action. What specific quote can you provide from a Democrat to riot or destroy a building?

     And here’s the point, no one here is defending any riots. It’s you making excuses. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,141
    Wait.  What?  Democrats had a had in causing what happened on January 6th, 2021?  Just when you think you've heard it all.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,407
    Evel K said:
    Selective memory from the Left. Yes, there were national Democrats stirring them up. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Ayanna Presley, Madonna... Remember the news coverage " Mostly Peaceful" , Remember " there needs to be unrest in the streets"?  
    Senator Madonna? 1/6 was a protest scheduled by Trump after initiating an illegal scheme to overturn a legit election and convincing the majority of republicans the election was stolen. Did Clinton do the same? Jimmy Carter? 
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,308
    brianlux said:
    Wait.  What?  Democrats had a had in causing what happened on January 6th, 2021?  Just when you think you've heard it all.
    :ohstop:
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