#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

mace1229

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I would say causing billions of dollars in damage and multiple murders in the name of "protest" throughout the summer of 2020 compares.  How does it not? If anything, its greater by every measure. They burned down more government buildings as well as small businesses. More people were injured and killed. All in the name of what they politically stood for. 

josevolution

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I would say causing billions of dollars in damage and multiple murders in the name of "protest" throughout the summer of 2020 compares.  How does it not? If anything, it’s greater by every measure. They burned down more government buildings as well as small businesses. More people were injured and killed. All in the name of what they politically stood for. 

Jan 6 was about ending democracy I’m my opinion it’s not on the same level! How many cops were beaten by protesters? From what I remember cops were kicking ass throughout that whole period! 

tbergs

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

Thanks for the response on this Mace. You put a lot in here, but I'm just going to focus on the FEMA example. In that instance, a single employee was at fault, not FEMA in general, and ultimately fired. No prominent, or even reasonable person, on the dems side is defending it. Seems like it was handled appropriately. On the other hand, many of the things you're listing, people, including the incoming president, still to this day defend or downplay. 

mrussel1

Evel K said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone pointed out that the new Department of Government Efficiency, to be headed by Elon Musk, has the acronym of DOGE?? There is no way that is a coincidence.

Is that stupid bit-coin still around?  Figures they would find a way to make it seem corrupt; connecting a quasi-gov't agency with a private venture.  

yeah I feel sorry for the idiots that are probably putting their life savings into that shit

Here's a demographic that could swing an election.  Go ahead and say crypto's a scam. While you're at it, the neighbor's kid just rode his bike across the corner of your lawn.

Scam?  Are you supportive of tokenizing or bit coin?

mrussel1

Choccoloccotide said:

Back to the topics …..Matt Gaetz FYI:  Remember, there is a former federal agent in federal prison right now for trying to lie about Matt Gaetz’s personal life and extort his family for $25 million Gaetz is a victim of a Deep State attack This is why they’re going all out to stop him.  Gaetz will be the next AG.  Either by Senate confirmation or Recess appointment.

What about the girl that testified to congress that she had sex with Gaetz when she was 17 and still in high school?  Is that a lie, deep state, what?

Evel K

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

mrussel1

Evel K said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I'm sorry, were they wearing Biden 2020 hats?  Anarchists don't vote.  Jan 6th was chock full of MAGA gear specifically to support Trump.  Anarchists don't support corporate democrats.  

Evel K

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone pointed out that the new Department of Government Efficiency, to be headed by Elon Musk, has the acronym of DOGE?? There is no way that is a coincidence.

Is that stupid bit-coin still around?  Figures they would find a way to make it seem corrupt; connecting a quasi-gov't agency with a private venture.  

yeah I feel sorry for the idiots that are probably putting their life savings into that shit

Here's a demographic that could swing an election.  Go ahead and say crypto's a scam. While you're at it, the neighbor's kid just rode his bike across the corner of your lawn.

Scam?  Are you supportive of tokenizing or bit coin?

I support DeFi not CBDC. The Federal Reserve printing money is a big part of the problem. 

Go Beavers

MayDay10 said:

The Juggler said:

hunterh75 said:

Look here folks, an overwhelmingly majority of the nation is not happy with this current administration and didn't believe in four more years of the same ignorance we've been dealt under Biden/Harris. The people have spoken.  Now suck it up buttercup and deal with it. 

Literally 50% of the vote is an "overwhelming majority" to these people.


A nation of idiots will be run by morons...

Objectively, it is a pretty big deal.

for decades, the Republican Party was dying out with the greatest generation and the baby boomers.  They didn't have an answer, and Texas was going to turn blue before long.

This shift was as major as it gets in US politics.  That is a lot of people who voted for Biden, who willingly pulled the lever for Trump this time (knowing full-well who Trump is).  

Are the numbers out there of who voted Biden in 20 and went Trump in 24? 

The Juggler

MayDay10 said:

The Juggler said:

hunterh75 said:

Look here folks, an overwhelmingly majority of the nation is not happy with this current administration and didn't believe in four more years of the same ignorance we've been dealt under Biden/Harris. The people have spoken.  Now suck it up buttercup and deal with it. 

Literally 50% of the vote is an "overwhelming majority" to these people.


A nation of idiots will be run by morons...

Objectively, it is a pretty big deal.

for decades, the Republican Party was dying out with the greatest generation and the baby boomers.  They didn't have an answer, and Texas was going to turn blue before long.

This shift was as major as it gets in US politics.  That is a lot of people who voted for Biden, who willingly pulled the lever for Trump this time (knowing full-well who Trump is).  

No doubt.

However obtaining 50.2% of the total vote is most assuredly NOT an "overwhelming majority." It is not remotely close to what he thinks happened. 

The Juggler

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I'm sorry, were they wearing Biden 2020 hats?  Anarchists don't vote.  Jan 6th was chock full of MAGA gear specifically to support Trump.  Anarchists don't support corporate democrats.  

Exactly. These are not democrats. lol. 

mace1229

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I would say causing billions of dollars in damage and multiple murders in the name of "protest" throughout the summer of 2020 compares.  How does it not? If anything, it’s greater by every measure. They burned down more government buildings as well as small businesses. More people were injured and killed. All in the name of what they politically stood for. 

Jan 6 was about ending democracy I’m my opinion it’s not on the same level! How many cops were beaten by protesters? From what I remember cops were kicking ass throughout that whole period! 

There was an off duty cop beaten to death in one of the riots. There was a machete or axe ambushing of a few cops in NY I believe in that summer. The one I remember the most was in LA where 2 police officers parked and someone came by and shot them both in the head. There was. female who was shot in the jaw, trying to render aid to her partner who was shot in the head. You could barely understand her calls for help because of her injuries. There was a video tape of the shooting and bystanders were cheering on the shooter then mocking the injuries of the female officer. I think that was also the same incident where protestors blocked the ambulance from entering the hospital, chanting for them to die. I'm sure there are more instances, those are just what I remember off the top of my head. 

Poncier

mrussel1 said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Back to the topics …..Matt Gaetz FYI:  Remember, there is a former federal agent in federal prison right now for trying to lie about Matt Gaetz’s personal life and extort his family for $25 million Gaetz is a victim of a Deep State attack This is why they’re going all out to stop him.  Gaetz will be the next AG.  Either by Senate confirmation or Recess appointment.

What about the girl that testified to congress that she had sex with Gaetz when she was 17 and still in high school?  Is that a lie, deep state, what?

That wasn't a 17-year-old girl. It was Nancy Pelosi in a Catholic school girl dress. She fooled all the libs on the committee.

mace1229

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

Thanks for the response on this Mace. You put a lot in here, but I'm just going to focus on the FEMA example. In that instance, a single employee was at fault, not FEMA in general, and ultimately fired. No prominent, or even reasonable person, on the dems side is defending it. Seems like it was handled appropriately. On the other hand, many of the things you're listing, people, including the incoming president, still to this day defend or downplay. 

I agree with you here. She said it was common practice and she was directed by her supervisors, she was just the one who left a paper trail. But I'm not convinced of that yet.
But my point is the horrible things that happen don't typically represent the majority. Most FEMA people want to help everyone, Just like most registered republicans are not happy with what happened on J6. They don't want protestors storming the capitol building and trashing the place. It was a relatively small number. I know it was a few thousand I believe, but I say relatively small compared to the 75 million who voted for trump who want to see that.

mrussel1

Evel K said:

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone pointed out that the new Department of Government Efficiency, to be headed by Elon Musk, has the acronym of DOGE?? There is no way that is a coincidence.

Is that stupid bit-coin still around?  Figures they would find a way to make it seem corrupt; connecting a quasi-gov't agency with a private venture.  

yeah I feel sorry for the idiots that are probably putting their life savings into that shit

Here's a demographic that could swing an election.  Go ahead and say crypto's a scam. While you're at it, the neighbor's kid just rode his bike across the corner of your lawn.

Scam?  Are you supportive of tokenizing or bit coin?

I support DeFi not CBDC. The Federal Reserve printing money is a big part of the problem. 

Big part of what problem?  The fact that we don't have catastrophic recessions, wildcat banks, bank runs and collapsing of economies and have not since the advent of the modern banking system?  What problem do you really think decentralized finance solves, and how do you look historically and say to yourself "boy it was way better in teh 1800's when we didn't have central banking"?

mrussel1

Poncier said:

mrussel1 said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Back to the topics …..Matt Gaetz FYI:  Remember, there is a former federal agent in federal prison right now for trying to lie about Matt Gaetz’s personal life and extort his family for $25 million Gaetz is a victim of a Deep State attack This is why they’re going all out to stop him.  Gaetz will be the next AG.  Either by Senate confirmation or Recess appointment.

What about the girl that testified to congress that she had sex with Gaetz when she was 17 and still in high school?  Is that a lie, deep state, what?

That wasn't a 17-year-old girl. It was Nancy Pelosi in a Catholic school girl dress. She fooled all the libs on the committee.

fuck dude... the mainstream media keeps lying to me!  I bet it was actually George Soros banging her too. 

mrussel1

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I would say causing billions of dollars in damage and multiple murders in the name of "protest" throughout the summer of 2020 compares.  How does it not? If anything, it’s greater by every measure. They burned down more government buildings as well as small businesses. More people were injured and killed. All in the name of what they politically stood for. 

Jan 6 was about ending democracy I’m my opinion it’s not on the same level! How many cops were beaten by protesters? From what I remember cops were kicking ass throughout that whole period! 

There was an off duty cop beaten to death in one of the riots. There was a machete or axe ambushing of a few cops in NY I believe in that summer. The one I remember the most was in LA where 2 police officers parked and someone came by and shot them both in the head. There was. female who was shot in the jaw, trying to render aid to her partner who was shot in the head. You could barely understand her calls for help because of her injuries. There was a video tape of the shooting and bystanders were cheering on the shooter then mocking the injuries of the female officer. I think that was also the same incident where protestors blocked the ambulance from entering the hospital, chanting for them to die. I'm sure there are more instances, those are just what I remember off the top of my head. 

Were they chanting for moderate democrats to stage a coup and take over the country?  

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

Thanks for the response on this Mace. You put a lot in here, but I'm just going to focus on the FEMA example. In that instance, a single employee was at fault, not FEMA in general, and ultimately fired. No prominent, or even reasonable person, on the dems side is defending it. Seems like it was handled appropriately. On the other hand, many of the things you're listing, people, including the incoming president, still to this day defend or downplay. 

I agree with you here. She said it was common practice and she was directed by her supervisors, she was just the one who left a paper trail. But I'm not convinced of that yet.
But my point is the horrible things that happen don't typically represent the majority. Most FEMA people want to help everyone, Just like most registered republicans are not happy with what happened on J6. They don't want protestors storming the capitol building and trashing the place. It was a relatively small number. I know it was a few thousand I believe, but I say relatively small compared to the 75 million who voted for trump who want to see that.

Most republicans are fine with J6. Only 1/3rd strongly disapprove, and 2/3rds support the pardons. The party’s rotten from the inside and the only way forward is widespread recognition of this. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jan-6-opinion-poll-republican-disapproval-wanes-2024-01-06/

Gern Blansten

Lol... Senate repubs not moving fwd on Gaetz without report 

The Juggler

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

Thanks for the response on this Mace. You put a lot in here, but I'm just going to focus on the FEMA example. In that instance, a single employee was at fault, not FEMA in general, and ultimately fired. No prominent, or even reasonable person, on the dems side is defending it. Seems like it was handled appropriately. On the other hand, many of the things you're listing, people, including the incoming president, still to this day defend or downplay. 

I agree with you here. She said it was common practice and she was directed by her supervisors, she was just the one who left a paper trail. But I'm not convinced of that yet.
But my point is the horrible things that happen don't typically represent the majority. Most FEMA people want to help everyone, Just like most registered republicans are not happy with what happened on J6. They don't want protestors storming the capitol building and trashing the place. It was a relatively small number. I know it was a few thousand I believe, but I say relatively small compared to the 75 million who voted for trump who want to see that.

Most republicans are fine with J6. Only 1/3rd strongly disapprove, and 2/3rds support the pardons. The party’s rotten from the inside and the only way forward is widespread recognition of this. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jan-6-opinion-poll-republican-disapproval-wanes-2024-01-06/

I've also seen some say the extreme maga right doesn't define its party over the years. 

Clearly that is not the case with how this cabinet is shaping up.