#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

Gern Blansten said:

seanwon said:

Bentleyspop said:

pjl44 said:

You can actually tie Stephen Miller to white nationalist thought which makes him one of the most pernicious members of Trump's inner circle. This is a lesson in crying wolf. When you're running around calling everyone to the right of AOC a racist or Nazi, it obscures the actual wolves.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/12/trump-adviser-stephen-miller-white-nationalist-agenda-breitbart

Stephen Miller is a racist xenophobic piece of shit.
So is anyone and everyone who supports this returning regime.

Annnnnndddd THAT is why we lost. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump, none of them are racist/xenophobic/misogynistic.  And I know a lot of people who voted Harris. None of us were very excited about it.  Dems had best get past the everybody who doesn't vote for us is sexist/racist, etc. That shows the lack of intellect and awareness that Dems and their base have. And people got sick of the accusation. Enjoy continuing to lose elections if that is the only message you have.  It worked for decades.  It's over now.

We lost because those people are ignorant. It certainly wasn't by calling Stephen Miller a racist. 

True
But I am of the belief, and many agree with me, that if you support a racist xenophobe in any way including voting that means you support racism and xenophobia too.

We can round and round  on this forever. But ignoring the fact that the returning regime is ruled by and influenced by white nationalist christo-fascists is going to bring down America rather than return it to "greatness".

I was brought up that people will show if not tell you who they are by their actions. If people looked at Trump, a known political and public quantity, see his actions and hear his words both politically and publicly, and still cast the ballot despite knowing all of that, they are at best devoid of moral values and at worst, those things said above. 

seanwon said:

Bentleyspop said:

pjl44 said:

You can actually tie Stephen Miller to white nationalist thought which makes him one of the most pernicious members of Trump's inner circle. This is a lesson in crying wolf. When you're running around calling everyone to the right of AOC a racist or Nazi, it obscures the actual wolves.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/12/trump-adviser-stephen-miller-white-nationalist-agenda-breitbart

Stephen Miller is a racist xenophobic piece of shit.
So is anyone and everyone who supports this returning regime.

Annnnnndddd THAT is why we lost. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump, none of them are racist/xenophobic/misogynistic.  And I know a lot of people who voted Harris. None of us were very excited about it.  Dems had best get past the everybody who doesn't vote for us is sexist/racist, etc. That shows the lack of intellect and awareness that Dems and their base have. And people got sick of the accusation. Enjoy continuing to lose elections if that is the only message you have.  It worked for decades.  It's over now.

I agree with you and also when you look at what Trump and Project 2025 are going to do, I think it will be apparent why some people have that mentality. Especially with how the SCOTUS was shaped leading to the overturning of Roe v. Wade. 

I liked what Beshear had to say, but I also think the presidential candidates are subject to 100x more negative and misleading messages and Harris was painted negative on a national level that he would never even come close to. Everyday, the blatant lies and misleading information were spewing from all avenues of media (social, print and TV). And it works. That's why someone votes for him and Trump or AOC or Baldwin. There's no way Harris could have made in roads with all of those people running a national campaign of big ticket items that they didn't think would make their lives any better. 

Biden was for sure going to lose and Harris closed the gap but if they could have had a primary, maybe this wouldn't have happened. I think some of the coup and elitist messaging was easy to accept at that point. 

lindamarie73 said:

seanwon said:

Bentleyspop said:

pjl44 said:

You can actually tie Stephen Miller to white nationalist thought which makes him one of the most pernicious members of Trump's inner circle. This is a lesson in crying wolf. When you're running around calling everyone to the right of AOC a racist or Nazi, it obscures the actual wolves.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/12/trump-adviser-stephen-miller-white-nationalist-agenda-breitbart

Stephen Miller is a racist xenophobic piece of shit.
So is anyone and everyone who supports this returning regime.

Annnnnndddd THAT is why we lost. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump, none of them are racist/xenophobic/misogynistic.  And I know a lot of people who voted Harris. None of us were very excited about it.  Dems had best get past the everybody who doesn't vote for us is sexist/racist, etc. That shows the lack of intellect and awareness that Dems and their base have. And people got sick of the accusation. Enjoy continuing to lose elections if that is the only message you have.  It worked for decades.  It's over now.

Excellent post, but SHHHHHH!!!…..don’t tell the Demmies this…The overwhelming ideology of this forum is exactly why the Demmies will have a very hard time regaining anything in the YEARS to come.  
Y’all really need to worry about Vance, cause that man is a STUD and TRUE LEADER.   I have no doubt he will be the next President after Trump fixes the mess left behind by shit-4-brains Joe and that airhead Harris…
Happy Days are Here Again!! 

And posts like this are why you, and those like you, aren't taken seriously or respected in any way. You are the far right to the "demmies" you so loathe. You are the base MAGA voter that can't ever be reached by a dem so your input (which is usually just mocking and belittling) carries zero weight. You are the perfect image of the one you support. Congratulations on moral bankruptcy. At least you've got money though. Good for you. You'll be fine as usual and as you always have been, even though the last 4 years have been so hard, right?

Tim Simmons said:

I was brought up that people will show if not tell you who they are by their actions. If people looked at Trump, a known political and public quantity, see his actions and hear his words both politically and publicly, and still cast the ballot despite knowing all of that, they are at best devoid of moral values and at worst, those things said above. 

I see similar statements often and it completely ignores the other choice on offer. Take everything that's loaded there about Trump and realize Democrats couldn't provide a palatable alternative. A lot more will be accomplished in future elections by the party taking that responsibility and accountability.

Gern Blansten said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I was brought up that people will show if not tell you who they are by their actions. If people looked at Trump, a known political and public quantity, see his actions and hear his words both politically and publicly, and still cast the ballot despite knowing all of that, they are at best devoid of moral values and at worst, those things said above. 

I see similar statements often and it completely ignores the other choice on offer. Take everything that's loaded there about Trump and realize Democrats couldn't provide a palatable alternative. A lot more will be accomplished in future elections by the party taking that responsibility and accountability.

palatable to whom? That's the problem. People are so ignorant they vote for the carnival barker.

Voters of a wide variety of backgrounds who are screaming they're not pleased with the trajectory of the Democrat party

Tim Simmons said:

pjl44 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I was brought up that people will show if not tell you who they are by their actions. If people looked at Trump, a known political and public quantity, see his actions and hear his words both politically and publicly, and still cast the ballot despite knowing all of that, they are at best devoid of moral values and at worst, those things said above. 

I see similar statements often and it completely ignores the other choice on offer. Take everything that's loaded there about Trump and realize Democrats couldn't provide a palatable alternative. A lot more will be accomplished in future elections by the party taking that responsibility and accountability.

I agree that the Dems need to step up and offer something to these people ( I mean they did, maybe not enough, but also otherism and misinformation were major influences). But it also exposes the true values of these people too. Many of which purport themselves to be Christian and want to walk with Jesus.

It's a real cold shower but the country that elected Barack Obama twice evaluated what Democrats had to offer and voted for Donald Trump

MikeDigs said:

tbergs said:

lindamarie73 said:

seanwon said:

Bentleyspop said:

pjl44 said:

You can actually tie Stephen Miller to white nationalist thought which makes him one of the most pernicious members of Trump's inner circle. This is a lesson in crying wolf. When you're running around calling everyone to the right of AOC a racist or Nazi, it obscures the actual wolves.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/nov/12/trump-adviser-stephen-miller-white-nationalist-agenda-breitbart

Stephen Miller is a racist xenophobic piece of shit.
So is anyone and everyone who supports this returning regime.

Annnnnndddd THAT is why we lost. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump, none of them are racist/xenophobic/misogynistic.  And I know a lot of people who voted Harris. None of us were very excited about it.  Dems had best get past the everybody who doesn't vote for us is sexist/racist, etc. That shows the lack of intellect and awareness that Dems and their base have. And people got sick of the accusation. Enjoy continuing to lose elections if that is the only message you have.  It worked for decades.  It's over now.

Excellent post, but SHHHHHH!!!…..don’t tell the Demmies this…The overwhelming ideology of this forum is exactly why the Demmies will have a very hard time regaining anything in the YEARS to come.  
Y’all really need to worry about Vance, cause that man is a STUD and TRUE LEADER.   I have no doubt he will be the next President after Trump fixes the mess left behind by shit-4-brains Joe and that airhead Harris…
Happy Days are Here Again!! 

And posts like this are why you, and those like you, aren't taken seriously or respected in any way. You are the far right to the "demmies" you so loathe. You are the base MAGA voter that can't ever be reached by a dem so your input (which is usually just mocking and belittling) carries zero weight. You are the perfect image of the one you support. Congratulations on moral bankruptcy. At least you've got money though. Good for you. You'll be fine as usual and as you always have been, even though the last 4 years have been so hard, right?

The perfectly, socially engineered, dumbed down society.  Merika!!  Where they vote against their best interests, so long as they can chug on those liberal tears.  LMAO