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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    mace1229 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    A president not being able to be charged for things he did that that was done officially as President I can in theory understand though. But then there should be checks and balances for what the President can and cannot do. 
    Not everything a president does is official business. There are many things that a president does that are not official and theoretically would be held accountable. If that weren't the law, we'd have crimes against pretty much every president in my lifetime. 
    Isn't this what I said
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    I'm sure there are legal mechanics that explain it but it's very frustrating to me that he couldn't be charged and tried quicker for the Georgia and classified docs cases. Those are where the real meat is. The NY/Stormy payoff was politically motivated bullshit and why the "convicted felon" label doesn't land.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    pjl44 said:
    I'm sure there are legal mechanics that explain it but it's very frustrating to me that he couldn't be charged and tried quicker for the Georgia and classified docs cases. Those are where the real meat is. The NY/Stormy payoff was politically motivated bullshit and why the "convicted felon" label doesn't land.
    I don't know...paying a hooker to keep her mouth shut and deducting it as legal expense seems like it should bare some penalty
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
    I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.
    I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election. 
    They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time. 

    I would love to see some strong evidence that there will be another election in 2028.  The Felon has all three branches of the government tied to his wagon.  I sorry to be throwing a major downer into the conversation, but nothing is certain at this point.  We are in precarious times.  This is why it's important for everyone who loves freedom and democracy to not give in to despondency.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
    I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.
    I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election. 
    They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time. 
    trump's side is calling it a landslide...they said the same thing in 2016 even though he lost the popular vote
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    I'm sure there are legal mechanics that explain it but it's very frustrating to me that he couldn't be charged and tried quicker for the Georgia and classified docs cases. Those are where the real meat is. The NY/Stormy payoff was politically motivated bullshit and why the "convicted felon" label doesn't land.
    I don't know...paying a hooker to keep her mouth shut and deducting it as legal expense seems like it should bare some penalty
    The implication of the conviction is that he would have been in the clear if he *had* declared it as a campaign expense. Very jaywalking-ass category of crime. Especially compared to those other cases which are incredibly serious offenses. But it allowed everyone to feel like they Got Him for some stretch of time I guess.
  • Philly NJ
    Philly NJ Posts: 245
    Tom Homan named Border Czar. Great move by the President-Elect.  He actually has been to the border. He was a border patrol agent. Obama appointed him to ICE. 
  • Philly NJ
    Philly NJ Posts: 245
    Trump posted plans to move Education from DC  to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,549
    Common Core is great. Sorry you can’t figure it out. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Philly NJ said:
    Trump posted plans to move Education from DC  to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core. 
    Having trouble with those pesky remainders are we?
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    Philly NJ said:
    Trump posted plans to move Education from DC  to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core. 
    trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,549
    Philly NJ said:
    Tom Homan named Border Czar. Great move by the President-Elect.  He actually has been to the border. He was a border patrol agent. Obama appointed him to ICE. 
    Seeing as there is no issues at the boarder now and Harris helped facilitate Central American countries curbing migration, he’ll have an easy job. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    There are some things that should have a national standard. Education is one of them. If trump has his way, there will be 50 countries in the new AU (American union). 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,860
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
    I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.
    I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election. 
    They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time. 
    trump's side is calling it a landslide...they said the same thing in 2016 even though he lost the popular vote

    You are correct. Cali has about a quarter of its vote left. He is at 50.3% now, let’s hope Cali can get that down to 49.9%  - small victories…probably meaningless but we can start calling him Mr 49%
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited November 2024
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
    I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.
    I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election. 
    They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time. 

    I would love to see some strong evidence that there will be another election in 2028.  The Felon has all three branches of the government tied to his wagon.  I sorry to be throwing a major downer into the conversation, but nothing is certain at this point.  We are in precarious times.  This is why it's important for everyone who loves freedom and democracy to not give in to despondency.
    I disagree with that for a few reasons. If trump was going to stop elections to remain in power, wouldn't he have done it in 2020?
    And he's old, he's not going to live forever. Even if he wanted to stay in the WH forever, he won't last much longer than 4 years.
    Even then, it takes 2/3 majority to change the constitution. So unless we expect some dems to support that and keeping him or his appointees in power, it just isn't happening. 
    There will be an election in 2028, and If I were a betting man I'd bet on a flip again.

    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
    I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.
    I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election. 
    They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time. 
    trump's side is calling it a landslide...they said the same thing in 2016 even though he lost the popular vote

    You are correct. Cali has about a quarter of its vote left. He is at 50.3% now, let’s hope Cali can get that down to 49.9%  - small victories…probably meaningless but we can start calling him Mr 49%

    Who is Cali?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,989
    Gern Blansten said:
    Philly NJ said:
    Trump posted plans to move Education from DC  to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core. 
    trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.
    In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
    "The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."

    10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    What is encouraging to me (even though it killed Harris' campaign) is that there is a large group of voters that really aren't beholden to either party. If trump doesn't deliver then they could be back. It's due to low information but the left will need to benefit from it as well if they ever want to win an election again.
    I predict the dems will win in 2028 or 2032. Look back at the last 100 years, it's uncommon for a party to win more than 3 election terms in a row, there is a lot of back and forth. It's not over for anyone. And the country is more evenly split that what we always hear.
    I keep hearing trump won in a "landslide." But it depends how you define landslide. If you look at just electoral votes, it does look pretty lopsided. But if you look at the popular vote, he won by 2.5%. Thats hardly a landslide. And when you considered the lopsided electoral outcome and really most of that were the result of swing states by just 2-3%, it really was a close election. 
    They don't need any major changes. Just distance themselves from th extreme (as both sides should) and put up a better candidate who went through the entire process next time. 

    I would love to see some strong evidence that there will be another election in 2028.  The Felon has all three branches of the government tied to his wagon.  I sorry to be throwing a major downer into the conversation, but nothing is certain at this point.  We are in precarious times.  This is why it's important for everyone who loves freedom and democracy to not give in to despondency.
    I disagree with that for a few reasons. If trump was going to stop elections to remain in power, wouldn't he have done it in 2020?
    And he's old, he's not going to live forever. Even if he wanted to stay in the WH forever, he won't last much longer than 4 years.
    Even then, it takes 2/3 majority to change the constitution. So unless we expect some dems to support that and keeping him or his appointees in power, it just isn't happening. 
    There will be an election in 2028, and If I were a betting man I'd bet on a flip again.

    yeah do you remember that Pence thing?
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    DarthMaeglin said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Philly NJ said:
    Trump posted plans to move Education from DC  to the States. Great move. The US Department of Education has done more harm than good since its inception. And, please, get rid of Common Core. 
    trump is a moron...I don't like this idea at all. The US Gov't has to be able to set standards that the states must meet. A state can't hold itself accountable.
    In Canada education is a provincial (state) responsibility but I’m seeing a good argument for some sort of federal oversight or direction. An article I read pretty much contends that only 2 provinces and territories require a Canadian history credit to graduate high school (out of 13). Some semantics do get played with alternative history credit options but I would prefer a required course dedicated to a nation’s history with other electives available. The article found a troubling ignorance about this nation’s history in general.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadian-history-knowledge-poll-1.7377226
    It's the same here...but the US Gov't oversees everything. trump wants to cut them out completely. I'm not clear what the theory is for people that support that. To me it just seems like it will weaken education.

    trump's nazi coalition most likely sees it as a way to cut spending
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Philly NJ
    Philly NJ Posts: 245
    Trump appoints Lee Zeldin to lead the EPA.
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