2024 US Election - Predictions

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

So how did trump get 71M (and counting) this go round? By your logic that figure is also inflated by 8M. 

I can’t explain it, but the absence of an explanation doesn’t give credence to nefariousness. 

I don't think the 2020 election was stolen, but playing devil's advocate and answering the question.
Based on those numbers, 71M doesn't seem far off. You can expect to gain a few million voters each election cycle, There are only 4 million more total votes between 2016 and now, so within reason of what you'd expect to see.

If someone were to rig the election, they wouldn't add 26 million votes. You just need 10 or 20,000 in a few select key states. Most elections are won by 2 or 3 swing states. They wouldn't be flooding it with 26 million votes. They'd be pushing 10,000 votes and and 10,000 there in states with close elections. 

jimjam1982 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

do you believe in climate change?

Are you an American Citizen?

Funny, with climate not being restrained to national borders.

Do you believe in climate change?

Climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon over the existence of earth it has happened thousands of times. It is not new or special. 

If you believe climate change is man made do you understand the only solution is to reduce the population by about 3 billion? That's not the winning platform you think it is.

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote.  They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time. 

I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it. 

I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.

Ledbetterman10 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

So how did trump get 71M (and counting) this go round? By your logic that figure is also inflated by 8M. 

I can’t explain it, but the absence of an explanation doesn’t give credence to nefariousness. 

I don't think the 2020 election was stolen, but playing devil's advocate and answering the question.
Based on those numbers, 71M doesn't seem far off. You can expect to gain a few million voters each election cycle, There are only 4 million more total votes between 2016 and now, so within reason of what you'd expect to see.

If someone were to rig the election, they wouldn't add 26 million votes. You just need 10 or 20,000 in a few select key states. Most elections are won by 2 or 3 swing states. They wouldn't be flooding it with 26 million votes. They'd be pushing 10,000 votes here and 10,000 there in states with close elections. 

I don't either. I just don't think Biden and Trump got 81M and 74M votes respectively. 

But let's say Biden did get 81M votes, as that's what's reported. Well that's the most votes ever. So SMOOTH MOVE pushing him out for Harris who couldn't nab single delegate in the 2020 primary. Real smart. 

tbergs said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote.  They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time. 

I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it. 

I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.

Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

do you believe in climate change?

Are you an American Citizen?

Funny, with climate not being restrained to national borders.

Do you believe in climate change?

Climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon over the existence of earth it has happened thousands of times. It is not new or special. 

If you believe climate change is man made do you understand the only solution is to reduce the population by about 3 billion? That's not the winning platform you think it is.

It's not man made. But it is man accelerated. 

The correct term is anthropocentric global warming.  Which means it's caused by humans, which includes women.

Yes, I don't think anyone is saying women don't contribute.
But are you saying it didn't exist before humans?
Climate change has always existed. Its just happening at a rate of 100 times (probably higher) faster than without humans.

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote.  They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time. 

I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it. 

I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.

Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.

No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....

"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."

 There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

jimjam1982 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

do you believe in climate change?

Are you an American Citizen?

Funny, with climate not being restrained to national borders.

Do you believe in climate change?

Climate change is a naturally occurring phenomenon over the existence of earth it has happened thousands of times. It is not new or special. 

If you believe climate change is man made do you understand the only solution is to reduce the population by about 3 billion? That's not the winning platform you think it is.

It's not man made. But it is man accelerated. 

The correct term is anthropocentric global warming.  Which means it's caused by humans, which includes women.

Yes, I don't think anyone is saying women don't contribute.
But are you saying it didn't exist before humans?
Climate change has always existed. Its just happening at a rate of 100 times (probably higher) faster than without humans.

No, what I'm saying is that what we are experiencing is an extreme form of climate change that has been created and exacerbated by burning fossil fuels, dumping excessive amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, and cutting down forest which in return reduces the ability of the planet to absorb that excess carbon.  It's all been clearly explained by knowledgeable, bright people who have studied and measured these things for decades.

Good God man, excuse my surprise, but are you really not aware of these realities?

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Just think for a minute.  If the dems wouldn’t have cheated in 2020, Trump would only have 2 months left to be President.  Now he’ll be in the Oval till 2029.  How does that feel?

lol...so why didn't they cheat this time? Why give up the oval? Why give up the senate? 

Comments like this are laughable. I needed that.

We swamped the vote.  To big to rig.

Swamped the vote? At the current count he didn’t reach what he had in 2020. 

Because he probably didn't reach that vote count in 2020. Look at the vote totals for the two major party candidates in the last three elections....

2016:
Clinton: 66M
Trump: 63M
Total: 129M

2020:
Biden: 81M
Trump: 74M
Total: 155M

2024 (as of now)
Harris: 66M
Trump: 71M
Total: 137M 

So the total goes up 26M in 2020, and then goes down 18M in 2024? Where did these voters come from in 2020, and where did they go in 2024? I contend that both Biden and Trump's 2020 vote counts are way off and it's due to all the mail-in ballots from the pandemic. I can see a few million people voting for the first and only time due to mass mail-in voting, but not 26 million.

Trump had no evidence that he was cheated like he claimed, but the idea that the 2020 election was "safe and secure" is ludicrous. I think there were nefarious actors on both sides counting mail-in ballots multiple times.  How else did Biden get so many more votes than Clinton and Harris? And how did Trump, who was at his weakest point electorally in 2020, get more votes then than in the two elections he won?

I think the advent of ballot-harvesting was huge. People that would not normally leave home to vote were able to just provide their ballots to someone who drove them over. Looks like there were also plenty of Trump voters there. Now that we're "post-covid" people generally have to go and vote.  They may have even been scarred off by the big numbers (i.e., big lines this time) from last time. 

I'd say Trump was at his most polarizing at that time and I that we somehow lost interest and forgot about it. 

I'll throw in Biden's connection to Obama and that polls have shown that nearly 40% of people do not think women should be president.

Every time I bring up sexism it gets laughed at here by MAGAs. Nope, doesn't happen and women are treated equal and receive equal pay, or maybe they should just stay home and tend to the kids while Daddy works for Elon. Clearly DEI and CRT are just trying to divide the country and put the white man down.

No one has laughed at you. I've responded twice now to your claims of sexism (without a response from you). Not by laughing or insulting you. But by stating, as I will again....

"Hillary Clinton all but won in 2016, so it's not like people won't vote for a woman. Harris was unpopular as a candidate in 2020 (damn sexist democrats), unpopular as VP (very low approval rating), and she didn't earn this nomination. That's a terrible candidate whether it's a male or female."

I started a response, but didn't want to waste the time putting it together. It's not worth it based on your responses on here. Even the Mahomes comment (I think that was you). You and I see it differently. You've responded with a whataboutism on Hillary's failed election. A woman got less votes in both of those elections and a reason they lost those votes for many was solely because they are a woman. In a close election, that's the difference.

There are inherent perceptions and opinions that I hear and see slip out in my every day life when interacting with male coworkers, friends or family that expose the underlying theme that women just aren't fit to lead or are too emotional, or aren'tstrong enough, or are too bitchy and on and on. Even recent references about controlling their spouses decisions or going "crazy" for no reason. Maybe you're not that way, but your dismissiveness to that being a widespread hurdle for a woman seeking the presidency seems a bit ignorant. It's not like Trump isn't unpopular as well, since you mentioned she was unpopular. He just doesn't have the added hurdles placed on a woman. He gets the benefit of the doubt.

I keep seeing Trump supporters on her claim the dems are the name callers and spewers of hate, but man, I'm pretty sure Trump patented political hatred the last 8 years. I'm not ashamed to admit that when he dies from the clear impending health issues being hidden from the public, it will be a good day for the world. Someday, maybe more people will realize he only brought chaos. There's a reason the Neo Nazi's and white supremacists support him.