** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,040
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  • Philly NJPhilly NJ Posts: 245
    If you don't care that MAGA is a Nazi-style movement, the only thing you have to know about this race is that Trump's plans will destroy the economy (20% sales tax "tariff" and crippling deportations) while Harris' will improve it (attacking price gouging, build new housing).
    Your view is opposite of real life realities.  When Trump was President, the economy was good. With Harris, we all got screwed with much higher prices,  wages outpaced by inflation, higher debt.  That is why Harris's message is not catching on with most Americans. Actions speak louder than words, and her actions made things much worse for majority of Americans. Case closed.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,565
    Philly NJ said:
    Your view is opposite of real life realities.  When Trump was President, the economy was good. With Harris, we all got screwed with much higher prices,  wages outpaced by inflation, higher debt.  That is why Harris's message is not catching on with most Americans. Actions speak louder than words, and her actions made things much worse for majority of Americans. Case closed.
    OPEN. YOUR. EYES. THINK. FOR.  YOURSELF.

    https://www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059

    The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy

    The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White House’s next occupant

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    Three of the past four newcomers to the White House took office in or around a recession. PHOTO: KENT NISHIMURA/GETTY IMAGES

    Whoever wins the White House next week will take office with no shortage of challenges, but at least one huge asset: an economy that is putting its peers to shame.

    With another solid performance in the third quarter, the U.S. has grown 2.7% over the past year. It is outrunning every other major developed economy, not to mention its own historical growth rate.

    More impressive than the rate of growth is its quality. This growth didn’t come solely from using up finite supplies of labor and other resources, which could fuel inflation. Instead, it came from making people and businesses more productive.

    This combination, if sustained, will be a wind at the back of the next president. Three of the past four newcomers to the White House took office in or around a recession (the exception was Donald Trump, in 2017), which consumed much of their first-term agenda. The next president should be free of that burden. 

    Meanwhile, higher productivity growth should make the economy a bit less prone to inflation, more capable of sustaining budget deficits, and more likely to deliver strong wages. All would be a boon to President Trump or President Kamala Harris.

    To describe this economy as remarkable would strike most Americans as confusing, if not insulting. In the latest WSJ poll, 62% of respondents rated the economy as “not so good” or “poor,” which explains the lack of any political dividend for President Biden. There are many reasons for the disconnect, most important the high inflation of 2021-23, whose effects still linger.

    Cumulative change since 2019, quarterly

    GDP

    Productivity

    Working hours

    Eurozone

    U.S.

    10%

    5

    0

    –5

    –10

    –15

    –20

    2020

    ’21

    ’22

    ’23

    Note: Shows GDP- and PPP-weighted averages.
    Source: Bank for International Settlements
    Alana Pipe/WSJ

    When you’re unhappy at home, you can gain some perspective by checking in on your neighbors. The whole world has been through the wringer since 2020; any country’s performance alone is less revealing than how it compares with its peers. 

    Most leaders from around the world would trade their economies for the U.S.’s in a heartbeat. Through the second quarter, the U.S. grew 3%; none of the world’s next six largest advanced economies grew more than 1%. Even China is struggling.

    Sometimes strong growth is a prelude to a recession because it comes from straining the economy’s capacity, generating inflation and forcing the Federal Reserve to raise rates.

    Yet inflation has fallen in the past year, to 2.7% in the third quarter, using the Fed’s preferred underlying measure. That’s still above the Fed’s 2% target, but the progress was sufficient for the Fed to cut rates in September and pencil in more cuts—all without growth flagging.

    “That’s pretty impressive. That’s a bit of a Goldilocks outcome,” Robin Vince, chief executive of BNY, said in a recent interview. “A year, two years ago, very few commentators actually thought that was going to be possible.”

    Some of that growth was due to the labor force swelling with inflows of unauthorized migrants. Payroll employment was up 2.4 million in the year through the third quarter, or 1.6%. That, however, overstates the contribution of labor because on average each employee worked slightly less hours.

    The U.S. economy is an outlier when it comes to strength in productivity. PHOTO: ADAM GLANZMAN/BLOOMBERG

    Adjusted for that, productivity—i.e., output per hour—probably rose 2% to 2.5% in the past year, well above the 1.5% average annual rate from 2007 to 2019. 

    Economic growth is unlikely to sustain its recent pace because migrant flows have already slowed. Yet thanks to higher productivity, the U.S.’s potential growth—what it can sustain over the long run—might be higher than the 1.8% that many forecasters like the Fed have long assumed. 

    Satyam Panday, an economist at S&P Global Ratings, thinks the potential might be 2% to 2.3%, citing booming investment in artificial intelligence, data centers, and renewable energy. “You have to pick your side,” said Panday. “We are techno optimists.”

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    Productivity is extremely volatile, especially since the pandemic, so it is too soon to say its trend has shifted. Still, one encouraging sign is that no other country has witnessed it. 

    The Bank for International Settlements, a Swiss-based umbrella group for central banks, calculates that from the end of 2019 to the end of 2023, total output rose 7.9% in the U.S., of which 1.2% came from more hours worked and 6.7% from productivity—more output per hour. In the eurozone, output was up 3% in the same period, entirely due to more hours.

    “Productivity is really bad across the world,” said Hyun Song Shin, the BIS’s economic adviser. “The U.S. is an outlier.”

    The BIS thinks inflation is a bigger risk globally in coming years because of threats to supply chains such as from geopolitical conflict. But productivity provides some cushion by enabling companies to absorb higher costs, such as wages. Shin said, “The U.S. can run the economy hot in a way others cannot.”

    Odds are inflation will be much closer to 2% in the next four years than in the past four. PHOTO: RICHARD B. LEVINE/ZUMA PRESS

    What’s behind the divergence? Read the recent report by former European Central Bank President Mario Draghi on European competitiveness. In explaining why Europe lags behind, it reveals why the U.S. leads.

    One reason is the domestic energy supply, which insulated the U.S. from the surge in natural-gas prices that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. European Union companies still pay two to three times more for electricity and four to five times more for natural gas than their U.S. counterparts, Draghi found.

    More important is the role of technology. No EU company worth more than 100 billion euros, equivalent to $108 billion, “has been set up from scratch in the last 50 years,” while all six U.S. companies worth more than $1.08 trillion were created in this period, Draghi said. America’s companies are also faster to adopt technology such as artificial intelligence, which explains much higher productivity in professional services, finance, insurance, and information technology services. 

    SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS

    What should the next president do to keep the U.S. economy strong? Join the conversation below.

    These differences are mostly the product of the intrinsic dynamism of American capitalism rather than any president’s policies. Still, Trump and Biden, in their respective fiscal policies, both sought to boost business investment, a key ingredient to productivity: Trump, through lower taxes and regulations on corporations broadly, and Biden by directing federal dollars and tax credits to semiconductor manufacturing, low-carbon energy, and infrastructure.  

    If the economy is so good, why are Americans so glum? Lots of noneconomic reasons, I’ve argued. But no question, inflation looms large. Wages, from 2021 to 2023, didn’t keep up with inflation, as they are supposed to when productivity and economic growth are strong. Higher prices flowed disproportionately to profits rather than pay.

    That has begun to change, though. Average wages since mid-2023 have outpaced inflation as the latter fell. Inflation could yet stall, or even rise; both nominees, and Trump in particular, have plans that could pressure prices. And surprises could interfere, like a big rise, or fall, in oil prices, another pandemic, or war.

    Still, odds are inflation will be much closer to 2% in the next four years than in the past four. With time, anger at today’s higher prices will become acceptance. The next president is likely to bear much less of the burden of inflation than Biden did. 

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,339
    Philly NJ said:
    Your view is opposite of real life realities.  When Trump was President, the economy was good. With Harris, we all got screwed with much higher prices,  wages outpaced by inflation, higher debt.  That is why Harris's message is not catching on with most Americans. Actions speak louder than words, and her actions made things much worse for majority of Americans. Case closed.
    Wasn’t it you that thought Trump’s term ended in 2019? 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,565
    Why do maga's think only the United States got hit with inflation after the pandemic? 
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,794
    OPEN. YOUR. EYES. THINK. FOR.  YOURSELF.

    https://www.wsj.com/economy/the-next-president-inherits-a-remarkable-economy-7be2d059

    The Next President Inherits a Remarkable Economy

    The high quality of recent economic growth should put a wind at the back of the White House’s next occupant

    Greg Ip

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    Greg Ip
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    Oct. 31, 2024 5:30 am ET

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    Three of the past four newcomers to the White House took office in or around a recession. PHOTO: KENT NISHIMURA/GETTY IMAGES

    Whoever wins the White House next week will take office with no shortage of challenges, but at least one huge asset: an economy that is putting its peers to shame.

    With another solid performance in the third quarter, the U.S. has grown 2.7% over the past year. It is outrunning every other major developed economy, not to mention its own historical growth rate.

    More impressive than the rate of growth is its quality. This growth didn’t come solely from using up finite supplies of labor and other resources, which could fuel inflation. Instead, it came from making people and businesses more productive.

    This combination, if sustained, will be a wind at the back of the next president. Three of the past four newcomers to the White House took office in or around a recession (the exception was Donald Trump, in 2017), which consumed much of their first-term agenda. The next president should be free of that burden. 

    Meanwhile, higher productivity growth should make the economy a bit less prone to inflation, more capable of sustaining budget deficits, and more likely to deliver strong wages. All would be a boon to President Trump or President Kamala Harris.

    To describe this economy as remarkable would strike most Americans as confusing, if not insulting. In the latest WSJ poll, 62% of respondents rated the economy as “not so good” or “poor,” which explains the lack of any political dividend for President Biden. There are many reasons for the disconnect, most important the high inflation of 2021-23, whose effects still linger.

    Cumulative change since 2019, quarterly

    GDP

    Productivity

    Working hours

    Eurozone

    U.S.

    10%

    5

    0

    –5

    –10

    –15

    –20

    2020

    ’21

    ’22

    ’23

    Note: Shows GDP- and PPP-weighted averages.
    Source: Bank for International Settlements
    Alana Pipe/WSJ

    When you’re unhappy at home, you can gain some perspective by checking in on your neighbors. The whole world has been through the wringer since 2020; any country’s performance alone is less revealing than how it compares with its peers. 

    Most leaders from around the world would trade their economies for the U.S.’s in a heartbeat. Through the second quarter, the U.S. grew 3%; none of the world’s next six largest advanced economies grew more than 1%. Even China is struggling.

    Sometimes strong growth is a prelude to a recession because it comes from straining the economy’s capacity, generating inflation and forcing the Federal Reserve to raise rates.

    Yet inflation has fallen in the past year, to 2.7% in the third quarter, using the Fed’s preferred underlying measure. That’s still above the Fed’s 2% target, but the progress was sufficient for the Fed to cut rates in September and pencil in more cuts—all without growth flagging.

    “That’s pretty impressive. That’s a bit of a Goldilocks outcome,” Robin Vince, chief executive of BNY, said in a recent interview. “A year, two years ago, very few commentators actually thought that was going to be possible.”

    Some of that growth was due to the labor force swelling with inflows of unauthorized migrants. Payroll employment was up 2.4 million in the year through the third quarter, or 1.6%. That, however, overstates the contribution of labor because on average each employee worked slightly less hours.

    The U.S. economy is an outlier when it comes to strength in productivity. PHOTO: ADAM GLANZMAN/BLOOMBERG

    Adjusted for that, productivity—i.e., output per hour—probably rose 2% to 2.5% in the past year, well above the 1.5% average annual rate from 2007 to 2019. 

    Economic growth is unlikely to sustain its recent pace because migrant flows have already slowed. Yet thanks to higher productivity, the U.S.’s potential growth—what it can sustain over the long run—might be higher than the 1.8% that many forecasters like the Fed have long assumed. 

    Satyam Panday, an economist at S&P Global Ratings, thinks the potential might be 2% to 2.3%, citing booming investment in artificial intelligence, data centers, and renewable energy. “You have to pick your side,” said Panday. “We are techno optimists.”

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    Productivity is extremely volatile, especially since the pandemic, so it is too soon to say its trend has shifted. Still, one encouraging sign is that no other country has witnessed it. 

    The Bank for International Settlements, a Swiss-based umbrella group for central banks, calculates that from the end of 2019 to the end of 2023, total output rose 7.9% in the U.S., of which 1.2% came from more hours worked and 6.7% from productivity—more output per hour. In the eurozone, output was up 3% in the same period, entirely due to more hours.

    “Productivity is really bad across the world,” said Hyun Song Shin, the BIS’s economic adviser. “The U.S. is an outlier.”

    The BIS thinks inflation is a bigger risk globally in coming years because of threats to supply chains such as from geopolitical conflict. But productivity provides some cushion by enabling companies to absorb higher costs, such as wages. Shin said, “The U.S. can run the economy hot in a way others cannot.”

    Odds are inflation will be much closer to 2% in the next four years than in the past four. PHOTO: RICHARD B. LEVINE/ZUMA PRESS

    What’s behind the divergence? Read the recent report by former European Central Bank President Mario Draghi on European competitiveness. In explaining why Europe lags behind, it reveals why the U.S. leads.

    One reason is the domestic energy supply, which insulated the U.S. from the surge in natural-gas prices that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. European Union companies still pay two to three times more for electricity and four to five times more for natural gas than their U.S. counterparts, Draghi found.

    More important is the role of technology. No EU company worth more than 100 billion euros, equivalent to $108 billion, “has been set up from scratch in the last 50 years,” while all six U.S. companies worth more than $1.08 trillion were created in this period, Draghi said. America’s companies are also faster to adopt technology such as artificial intelligence, which explains much higher productivity in professional services, finance, insurance, and information technology services. 

    SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS

    What should the next president do to keep the U.S. economy strong? Join the conversation below.

    These differences are mostly the product of the intrinsic dynamism of American capitalism rather than any president’s policies. Still, Trump and Biden, in their respective fiscal policies, both sought to boost business investment, a key ingredient to productivity: Trump, through lower taxes and regulations on corporations broadly, and Biden by directing federal dollars and tax credits to semiconductor manufacturing, low-carbon energy, and infrastructure.  

    If the economy is so good, why are Americans so glum? Lots of noneconomic reasons, I’ve argued. But no question, inflation looms large. Wages, from 2021 to 2023, didn’t keep up with inflation, as they are supposed to when productivity and economic growth are strong. Higher prices flowed disproportionately to profits rather than pay.

    That has begun to change, though. Average wages since mid-2023 have outpaced inflation as the latter fell. Inflation could yet stall, or even rise; both nominees, and Trump in particular, have plans that could pressure prices. And surprises could interfere, like a big rise, or fall, in oil prices, another pandemic, or war.

    Still, odds are inflation will be much closer to 2% in the next four years than in the past four. With time, anger at today’s higher prices will become acceptance. The next president is likely to bear much less of the burden of inflation than Biden did. 

    But they said “case closed” 
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,992
    My 401(k) is flying high and I will sell all the stocks if Trump wins. He crashed it last time and he will do it again, much faster. He inherited Obama's economy and left it in shreds. I say the worst person in American history.
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  • Philly NJPhilly NJ Posts: 245
    A friend's wife became a legal US Citizen this year. She is all in for Trump.  Bucks County, PA.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,410
    Philly NJ said:
    Your view is opposite of real life realities.  When Trump was President, the economy was good. With Harris, we all got screwed with much higher prices,  wages outpaced by inflation, higher debt.  That is why Harris's message is not catching on with most Americans. Actions speak louder than words, and her actions made things much worse for majority of Americans. Case closed.
    The problem is the ignorance of many Americans. There is no argument that the economy is good. Compare the stock market and unemployment rate today vs trump's last day in office. No comparison.

    No economy is perfect. There are people struggling now and there were people struggling under trump. The difference is you chose to listen to the noise rather than the facts.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,565
    Philly NJ said:
    A friend's wife became a legal US Citizen this year. She is all in for Trump.  Bucks County, PA.
    I will alert the media!
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,410
    Philly NJ said:
    A friend's wife became a legal US Citizen this year. She is all in for Trump.  Bucks County, PA.
    Sorry to hear about her head injury.
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  • Philly NJPhilly NJ Posts: 245
    My 401(k) is flying high and I will sell all the stocks if Trump wins. He crashed it last time and he will do it again, much faster. He inherited Obama's economy and left it in shreds. I say the worst person in American history.
    No matter who wins, you should take some profit now. Overdue for a correction. Seriously, unless you have 10-15 years to ride out the correction, nothing wrong with selling, putting that cash into fixed income for awhile. Good luck.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,565
    edited October 2024
    Philly NJ said:
    No matter who wins, you should take some profit now. Overdue for a correction. Seriously, unless you have 10-15 years to ride out the correction, nothing wrong with selling, putting that cash into fixed income for awhile. Good luck.
    Remember when Trump said we were close a Depression over the summer? That was funny. He's an idiot. 

    Did you read that WSJ I posted? Any thoughts?

    Regarding things costing more, have you considered the fact that the whole world endured the same inflation we did a couple years ago, yet our country has handled it better than anyone else? 
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  • Philly NJ said:
    A friend's wife became a legal US Citizen this year. She is all in for Trump.  Bucks County, PA.
    Russian? Mail order?
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  • I will alert the media!
    And INS. Gotta make sure her papers are legit and in order.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,441
    Why do maga's think only the United States got hit with inflation after the pandemic? 

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,040
    Why do maga's think only the United States got hit with inflation after the pandemic? 
    Because reality has a liberal bias and their arguments only make sense in a vacuum. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,346
    Philly NJ said:
    Yeah, Arnold and the Harris husband both got their nannies pregnant.  Perfect together.
    you can't be serious. YOUR GUY FLOGGED A PORN STAR WHILE HIS WIFE WAS PREGNANT. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,441
    you can't be serious. YOUR GUY FLOGGED A PORN STAR WHILE HIS WIFE WAS PREGNANT. 

    no. barron had been born as I recall
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  • The disingenuousness is thick. Posts with more than 10 lines get skipped over, long posts or articles can’t be read and thoughtful responses with a request for comment are lost in the flurry of posts, some never to be responded to unless you ask again or repost and the goalposts keep moving.

    I don’t know who to vote for but I’m just asking questions, man. Good fucking lord.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,346
    mickeyrat said:

    no. barron had been born as I recall
    who cares. he's calling out infidelity while singing the praises of the king of infidelity. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,980
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    Philly NJ said:
    Your view is opposite of real life realities.  When Trump was President, the economy was good. With Harris, we all got screwed with much higher prices,  wages outpaced by inflation, higher debt.  That is why Harris's message is not catching on with most Americans. Actions speak louder than words, and her actions made things much worse for majority of Americans. Case closed.
    Did Kamala cause the inflation over here in Sweden happening at the same time?
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  • who cares. he's calling out infidelity while singing the praises of the king of infidelity. 
    Is Doug Imhoff on the ticket? Have any official capacity as second man? Because it’s very concerning that he’s still friends with his ex-wife.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,553
    The disingenuousness is thick. Posts with more than 10 lines get skipped over, long posts or articles can’t be read and thoughtful responses with a request for comment are lost in the flurry of posts, some never to be responded to unless you ask again or repost and the goalposts keep moving.

    I don’t know who to vote for but I’m just asking questions, man. Good fucking lord.

    And I am the educated liberal in the middle of blue country that you should pay attention to instead of ridicule. Keep sharing your biased and one sided opinions and see what happens. And yes, I have been hit over the head so much with so much negative language, particularly from you, that my patience to read any posts has worn thin. Thanks for your valuable contributions.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,346
    stop the steal! it has already been stolen! even though it hasn't happened yet! and only if we lose!

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,320
    Get_Right said:

    And I am the educated liberal in the middle of blue country that you should pay attention to instead of ridicule. Keep sharing your biased and one sided opinions and see what happens. And yes, I have been hit over the head so much with so much negative language, particularly from you, that my patience to read any posts has worn thin. Thanks for your valuable contributions.
    I don't know man.  You seem like the definition of the horse shoe theory of politics. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,410
    Get_Right said:

    And I am the educated liberal in the middle of blue country that you should pay attention to instead of ridicule. Keep sharing your biased and one sided opinions and see what happens. And yes, I have been hit over the head so much with so much negative language, particularly from you, that my patience to read any posts has worn thin. Thanks for your valuable contributions.
    No educated liberal is on the fence for trump. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,346
    Get_Right said:

    And I am the educated liberal in the middle of blue country that you should pay attention to instead of ridicule. Keep sharing your biased and one sided opinions and see what happens. And yes, I have been hit over the head so much with so much negative language, particularly from you, that my patience to read any posts has worn thin. Thanks for your valuable contributions.
    I get it. I think. You think you're coming from a purely logical viewpoint and completely unbiased and unemotional. I get that. You think you can't be duped. You think both sides are liars, so they must be equal in their duplicity. They aren't. 

    I'm not going to go all "the world will end" like I was in 2016. It won't. Things will move on for most white americans. But this vote isn't about you as an individual. Think of the people living in fear of a second trump term. Just try, for one second, to imagine it, have some empathy for the people of colour, the trans folks and the LGBTQ2+ crowd that feels like their lives are in danger when people full of hate feel vindicated that their hate is justified when the leader spews such bullshit online and in rallies. 

    Think of the women who need pre-natal care that can't get it because of Roe. People are LITERALLY dying because of this man. You simply cannot say that about Harris. 
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,553
    mrussel1 said:
    Same answer.  If it's a windfall,  that means the demand was inelastic and consumers kept purchasing.  But it's likely that a price increase was passed to the consumer because the business is not going to just cut margins and keep consumer price the same.  That's counter to any economic theory. 

    When you have a tariff,  someone is going to take a hit.  Maybe it's the exporter, maybe the importer,  maybe the consumer.  To argue that no American or American business is harmed means that it's the exporter eating the tariff.  Certainly that will be the case for some tariffs but not all.  And it certainly matters the tariff %.  

    And the original tariffs are not still in place.  Trump killed several of them and Biden killed the ones from EU. Australia,  England and others.  Really only leaving in China.  But now Trump is throwing numbers around like 20, 30, 50% tariffs.  Maybe that's fine on steel and semi- conductors.  We would build that here with more skilled labor and robotics.  But shoes,  clothes, etc. would be an issue. We are not going to start making televisions and shoes in the US.
    The original 301 tariffs against China are still in place. In fact they expanded under Biden since the USTR largely ignored them during the past 4 years. As are over 100 antidumping orders with tariffs as high as 376% (perhaps more). It's a mixed bag of economic absorption, some internal, some external. More often they are simply circumvented in illegal fashion by the Chinese. I never said there was zero harm to American businesses. And yes many businesses did keep purchasing at a loss or reduced profits to satisfy customers in the US. Traditional economics do not apply to China as it is a non-market economy. Same with Vietnam. To believe that our manufacturing sector could become reborn to compete with China is a farce.
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,553
    I get it. I think. You think you're coming from a purely logical viewpoint and completely unbiased and unemotional. I get that. You think you can't be duped. You think both sides are liars, so they must be equal in their duplicity. They aren't. 

    I'm not going to go all "the world will end" like I was in 2016. It won't. Things will move on for most white americans. But this vote isn't about you as an individual. Think of the people living in fear of a second trump term. Just try, for one second, to imagine it, have some empathy for the people of colour, the trans folks and the LGBTQ2+ crowd that feels like their lives are in danger when people full of hate feel vindicated that their hate is justified when the leader spews such bullshit online and in rallies. 

    Think of the women who need pre-natal care that can't get it because of Roe. People are LITERALLY dying because of this man. You simply cannot say that about Harris. 

    Thanks for the rational comments. I mean that. The Roe decision was a disgrace to our country. I have admitted that. I am afraid to even suggest where I might stand on immigration or LGBTQ2 rights for fear of retribution rather than meaningful dialog. I guess I am not entitled to my opinions around here without being hit over the head with the liberal agenda.
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