---President Elect Musk and Convicted Felon Donald J Trump---

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

Take some pepto bismal and read up on some of the language Nazis used when talking about communities they were targeting. 

History is there for those who want to learn it. 

I do not need any Pepto. If I do it is about how broken our system is. Trump is not going to unleash genocide on 6 million people. That is extremist bullshit. 

Halifax2TheMax said:

Sound familiar? Gee, where have I heard this before? I wonder, where might it have been?

So I might have been tempted to let this all slide, were it not for the reactions — first by JD Vance and then by Trump himself.

“Maybe it’s a stupid, racist joke,” Vance said, claiming not to have seen the Puerto Rico comments, but “maybe it’s not.”

In any event, he suggested, critics needed to lighten up. “Our country was built by frontiersmen who conquered the wilderness,” Vance said. “We’re not going to restore the greatness of American civilization if we get offended at every little thing. Let’s have a sense of humor and let’s have a little fun.”

A sense of humor? A little fun? You might think Vance, given the campaign’s position, could manage the same in the face of a surrogate who called a U.S. territory populated by U.S. citizens a “floating island of garbage.”

No. “I think that we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the United States of America,” Vance said. “I’m just — I’m so over it,” he said. But this, as much as Vance might wish, is not about political correctness or knee-jerk oversensitivity. It’s about common decency. Apparently, that’s too much for the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee to muster.

And you may have thought they were laughing at the “carving watermelons joke,” but you know:

This Trump ego-stroking would be harmless if that were all that is happening. But the slavish devotion is accompanied by the foul concoction of racism, misogyny and vitriol brewed by Trump himself. The warm-up acts ape their leader. The extreme, insulting language — the vileness — comes from the top. He called Harris “retarded,” “mentally disabled,” and “a sh-- vice president” — the latter in front of the  Catholic cardinal of New York.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/29/hate-madisonsquaregarden-sunday-trump-vance/

Their whole political movement is based on getting offended by every little thing. A book has a gay character? It's offensive-- take it out of school libraries. Referring to the nation's history of slavery and segregation? It's offensive-- never speak of it. Coastal elites look down on "real Americans." It's offensive. Etc., etc. The list of things that they take offense to is practically endless. Bunch of hypocrites.

EDIT: And now the Biden thing has them in high dudgeon. Put a possessive apostrophe at the end of "supporters" and it's a pretty obvious point he's making.

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path.  Hyperbole runs rampant in an election.  The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris.   In that,  you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogates  

Direct information is actually available to you. 

Please elaborate. What institutions, allies, are at risk, and what information is available to me that I have not already seen?   

Trump said he's going to disband the FBI, kill the DOE, and make the Fed under the Executive Branch,  effectively politicizing it. He also threatens to leave NATO, the agreement that has delivered intercontinental peace for 80 years now. He also routinely sides with Russia,  with he and Musk maintaining contact for the last four years.  This is while Russia is a sanctioned state who is allies with China,  NK and Iran. 

His solution to end the war in Ukraine is to give Russia the Eastern Oblasts. That will give Russia control of the largest grain supply in the world and cut Ukraine off from the Dnipro.  

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

pjl44 said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Nothing says good political instincts like turning a roast comic loose and following that up with Stephen Miller 

it's really something, isn't it? prior to the age of trump, any ONE of the thousand things this party has done in the last 8 years would have absolutely SUNK them in campaigns past. 

At this point I'm convinced it's a Brewster's Millions situation where there is some insane reward for whichever campaign loses

Brewster's Millions!

https://x.com/SteveGuest/status/1851421311785959703

We gotta get this guy out of the race!

That’s it… I’m not going to vote for trump OR Biden this time around. 

Side note: after the way Biden’s family was dragged through the mud these last 5 years, the man’s entitled to say whatever the f he wants. Obviously the election is most important at the moment, but I digress. 

Get_Right said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Heritage Foundation is the guys who wrote Project 2025. Simply an extremist organization.

Like I said, I do not endorse or pretend to understand that organization. Say 50% of what they publish is actually true. There is still something there. On both sides.

Say none of it is true.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 

In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.

Get_Right said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 

In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.

How in the world does she have to when the other person is Trump with everything he comes with? 

I don't see how this would be anything to ponder for an intelligent human being that has any empathy


He has clearly shown (and said) that he doesn't care about climate change for example. How can you sit and even ponder this choice. It's fucking absurd.

trump fucking up covid should be enough

Pence, Mattis, Mulvaney, Kelly, Milley, Esper, etc, not supporting trump should be WAY more than enough to vote against him

but whatever...if he wins we deserve him

mrussel1 said:

Trump said he's going to disband the FBI, kill the DOE, and make the Fed under the Executive Branch,  effectively politicizing it. He also threatens to leave NATO, the agreement that has delivered intercontinental peace for 80 years now. He also routinely sides with Russia,  with he and Musk maintaining contact for the last four years.  This is while Russia is a sanctioned state who is allies with China,  NK and Iran. 

His solution to end the war in Ukraine is to give Russia the Eastern Oblasts. That will give Russia control of the largest grain supply in the world and cut Ukraine off from the Dnipro.  

It's very frustrating when people choose to remain ignorant and then claim they don't know what to believe. It's especially frustrating that we have listen to them brag about their ignorance every four years-- which only further reflects their ignorance because there are elections every year but they don't pay attention or vote in the ones that don't involve a choice for president.

It's a strange thing. There are a lot of topics where I'm not particularly informed. Opera. Soccer. Fine dining. Quantum mechanics. Something I generally don't do when it comes to those subjects is opine publicly on them. But people who pay no attention to politics most of the time, and who make no real effort to be engaged citizens-- to keep up with news from around the country and around the world from sources other than their Facebook feeds-- come out of the woodwork every four years to tell us how they can't make sense of things that more informed people figured out a long time ago. Or how the parties are the same even though they have completely different approaches to and philosophies of governing and have been demonstrating this consistently for well over a generation, and in a particularly acute way in the nine years since Trump came down the escalator. I am a lifelong independent and yet the stark difference between the two parties as they are constituted in 2024 and their presidential candidates could not be plainer to see.

JeBurkhardt said:

BF25394 said:

mrussel1 said:

Trump said he's going to disband the FBI, kill the DOE, and make the Fed under the Executive Branch,  effectively politicizing it. He also threatens to leave NATO, the agreement that has delivered intercontinental peace for 80 years now. He also routinely sides with Russia,  with he and Musk maintaining contact for the last four years.  This is while Russia is a sanctioned state who is allies with China,  NK and Iran. 

His solution to end the war in Ukraine is to give Russia the Eastern Oblasts. That will give Russia control of the largest grain supply in the world and cut Ukraine off from the Dnipro.  

It's very frustrating when people choose to remain ignorant and then claim they don't know what to believe. It's especially frustrating that we have listen to them brag about their ignorance every four years-- which only further reflects their ignorance because there are elections every year but they don't pay attention or vote in the ones that don't involve a choice for president.

It's a strange thing. There are a lot of topics where I'm not particularly informed. Opera. Soccer. Fine dining. Quantum mechanics. Something I generally don't do when it comes to those subjects is opine publicly on them. But people who pay no attention to politics most of the time, and who make no real effort to be engaged citizens-- to keep up with news from around the country and around the world from sources other than their Facebook feeds-- come out of the woodwork every four years to tell us how they can't make sense of things that more informed people figured out a long time ago. Or how the parties are the same even though they have completely different approaches to and philosophies of governing and have been demonstrating this consistently for well over a generation, and in a particularly acute way in the nine years since Trump came down the escalator. I am a lifelong independent and yet the stark difference between the two parties as they are constituted in 2024 and their presidential candidates could not be plainer to see.

Ignorance is only an excuse when you haven't been informed. Once you have been informed and still ignore it, then it moves to stupidity. 

Don't rule out malice.