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Spiritual_Chaos

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 

In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

Get_Right

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

Take some pepto bismal and read up on some of the language Nazis used when talking about communities they were targeting. 

History is there for those who want to learn it. 

I do not need any Pepto. If I do it is about how broken our system is. Trump is not going to unleash genocide on 6 million people. That is extremist bullshit. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Aubrey Plaza just told Tony Hindcliffe or whatever that masterful roasters name is to fuck himself.

Weird, doesn't she know that comedy is laughing along with racism?

BF25394

Halifax2TheMax said:

Sound familiar? Gee, where have I heard this before? I wonder, where might it have been?

So I might have been tempted to let this all slide, were it not for the reactions — first by JD Vance and then by Trump himself.

“Maybe it’s a stupid, racist joke,” Vance said, claiming not to have seen the Puerto Rico comments, but “maybe it’s not.”

In any event, he suggested, critics needed to lighten up. “Our country was built by frontiersmen who conquered the wilderness,” Vance said. “We’re not going to restore the greatness of American civilization if we get offended at every little thing. Let’s have a sense of humor and let’s have a little fun.”

A sense of humor? A little fun? You might think Vance, given the campaign’s position, could manage the same in the face of a surrogate who called a U.S. territory populated by U.S. citizens a “floating island of garbage.”

No. “I think that we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the United States of America,” Vance said. “I’m just — I’m so over it,” he said. But this, as much as Vance might wish, is not about political correctness or knee-jerk oversensitivity. It’s about common decency. Apparently, that’s too much for the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee to muster.

And you may have thought they were laughing at the “carving watermelons joke,” but you know:

This Trump ego-stroking would be harmless if that were all that is happening. But the slavish devotion is accompanied by the foul concoction of racism, misogyny and vitriol brewed by Trump himself. The warm-up acts ape their leader. The extreme, insulting language — the vileness — comes from the top. He called Harris “retarded,” “mentally disabled,” and “a sh-- vice president” — the latter in front of the  Catholic cardinal of New York.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/29/hate-madisonsquaregarden-sunday-trump-vance/

Their whole political movement is based on getting offended by every little thing. A book has a gay character? It's offensive-- take it out of school libraries. Referring to the nation's history of slavery and segregation? It's offensive-- never speak of it. Coastal elites look down on "real Americans." It's offensive. Etc., etc. The list of things that they take offense to is practically endless. Bunch of hypocrites.

EDIT: And now the Biden thing has them in high dudgeon. Put a possessive apostrophe at the end of "supporters" and it's a pretty obvious point he's making.

BF25394

pjl44 said:

BF25394 said:

pjl44 said:

This last week will be a fireworks show grand finale of bullshit 

It will be even worse after next Tuesday.

I have to go to the Monday David Gilmour MSG show because there is no chance I want to deal with Manhattan on Tuesday or after

I plan on trying to be uncomfortably numb from Tuesday through roughly January.

mrussel1

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path.  Hyperbole runs rampant in an election.  The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris.   In that,  you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogates  

Direct information is actually available to you. 

Please elaborate. What institutions, allies, are at risk, and what information is available to me that I have not already seen?   

Trump said he's going to disband the FBI, kill the DOE, and make the Fed under the Executive Branch,  effectively politicizing it. He also threatens to leave NATO, the agreement that has delivered intercontinental peace for 80 years now. He also routinely sides with Russia,  with he and Musk maintaining contact for the last four years.  This is while Russia is a sanctioned state who is allies with China,  NK and Iran. 

His solution to end the war in Ukraine is to give Russia the Eastern Oblasts. That will give Russia control of the largest grain supply in the world and cut Ukraine off from the Dnipro.  

Merkin Baller

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

Take some pepto bismal and read up on some of the language Nazis used when talking about communities they were targeting. 

History is there for those who want to learn it. 

I do not need any Pepto. If I do it is about how broken our system is. Trump is not going to unleash genocide on 6 million people. That is extremist bullshit. 

Boo hoo, they're using literal Nazi quotes and the comparisons are apt. 

Your sensitivity to this fair comparison undermines your claims of not favoring one candidate over the other. 

BF25394

Merkin Baller said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

pjl44 said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Nothing says good political instincts like turning a roast comic loose and following that up with Stephen Miller 

it's really something, isn't it? prior to the age of trump, any ONE of the thousand things this party has done in the last 8 years would have absolutely SUNK them in campaigns past. 

At this point I'm convinced it's a Brewster's Millions situation where there is some insane reward for whichever campaign loses

Brewster's Millions!

https://x.com/SteveGuest/status/1851421311785959703

We gotta get this guy out of the race!

That’s it… I’m not going to vote for trump OR Biden this time around. 

Side note: after the way Biden’s family was dragged through the mud these last 5 years, the man’s entitled to say whatever the f he wants. Obviously the election is most important at the moment, but I digress. 

Get_Right said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

Heritage Foundation is the guys who wrote Project 2025. Simply an extremist organization.

Like I said, I do not endorse or pretend to understand that organization. Say 50% of what they publish is actually true. There is still something there. On both sides.

Say none of it is true.

BF25394

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 

The polls have barely budged from 45 days ago. The vast majority of people decided who they're voting for long before any late-campaign ads. It is only because the race is close that the relatively small sliver of (mostly underinformed) undecided people will be determinative.

Get_Right

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 

In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.

BF25394

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Trump is telling you that he wants to be a dictator. So are countless people who worked for and with Trump. The "liberal media" is not putting words in his mouth. If the New York Times quotes John Kelly calling Trump a fascist, it's still John Kelly calling him a fascist.

Spiritual_Chaos

Get_Right said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. 

In what way does a percentage higher or lower taxes or whatever matter for the upcoming four years VS voting in a normal human being with normal competent human beings around her and Trump and his gang of PARDON MY FRENCH racist and women-hating freaks ?

For better or worse, I am stuck in the middle. Neither candidate will change my taxes in a significant way. And tariffs will not impact my cost of living unless there is a tariff on fuel. Yes there are strong character issues with Trump, but is Kamala demonstrating any strong characteristics that are inspiring?  Nothing is moving me in either direction, it may come down to the lesser of two evils, which sucks.

How in the world does she have to when the other person is Trump with everything he comes with? 

I don't see how this would be anything to ponder for an intelligent human being that has any empathy


He has clearly shown (and said) that he doesn't care about climate change for example. How can you sit and even ponder this choice. It's fucking absurd.

BF25394

Get_Right said:

benjs said:

Get_Right said:

Merkin Baller said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

You might want to vet your sources before you go off. 

Just a thought. 

I take it all in from both sides. And my conclusion is that it is all hyperbole designed to push one agenda over another. It is the same discussion over and over, the red raises tariffs and wants tougher immigration enforcement, while the blue touts a stronger economy and wants to restore women's rights. It is the same over and over again. I welcome a truly objective perspective, but alas, it has evaded me. Have any suggestions? I welcome that.

It is a machine to reach an objective, and it ultimately is a popularity contest. And I did check a few of the convictions. At least what is available supports the findings. Let's not get it twisted, both sides are playing the political game and it sucks. A barrage of ads in the 45-30 days before the election is what is informing the US public and is what is determining who voters vote for. There are exceptions of course, and I applaud those exceptions. 

Please. Only one side is extrapolating that 250 known voter fraud offences since 2020 is a grave concern, in an attempt to discredit all results. Repeat: only one fucking side is doing this. 

But it is happening. Even on a small scale it is worth discussing. In 2024, is there any reason this should be happening? In this digital age?  It just makes me scratch my head as to why everything our government manages, feels so antiquated. Six weeks to get a passport. Maybe they should be talking about that level of inefficiency. I think it is the same with the voting process. I will show up and vote next week, but I am not sure that I really feel strongly about one or the other.

No, it isn't. It isn't worth discussing when, in a nation of 330 million people with over 200 million eligible voters, there are a small number of voting errors, many of which are just the result of misunderstandings or clerical mistakes, and which are not enough to affect the outcome of any race.

I got my passport in 18 days earlier this year. I did not pay to expedite it. By the way, if they issued passports in a week, some people would complain that we're not vetting them closely enough and that "terrorists" and "illegals" are taking advantage of it.

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

mrussel1 said:

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

Are you being serious? You are incapable of listening to his words,  understanding history and drawing your own conclusions? 

Serious about not believing everything the media or a candidate says. It is just another sales pitch to get the job. Frankly the comparisons to Nazi Germany make me sick. 

The question isn't whether you believe we are down a Nazi path.  Hyperbole runs rampant in an election.  The question is whether he is a threat to it institutions and allies. Or is Harris.   In that,  you should be able to draw your own conclusions simply by listening both of them speak and listening to their surrogates  

Direct information is actually available to you. 

There is simply no way to reach the other side on this. When 45 says he will be a dictator on day 1, his defense is he was joking and the believers believe 

 He gets the votes from the traditional gop voters and a new breed of macho tough guys who never used to vote.

Which is why he is tough to beat, when also considering the gop electoral college advantage 

The forum hasn't been discussing the polling as much as previous election. Have you been following the cross tabs? This seems to be trumps best polling in his 3 elections?

Go Beavers

Get_Right said:

Go Beavers said:

Get_Right said:

I do not endorse or know very much about this site, but it is clear to me that shenanigans are happening in every state and in both parties. Even if only half of it is true.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/#choose-a-state

Criminal convictions and judicial findings of fact on both sides, and in almost every state. The system is broken.  

And yet I get criticized for being disenfranchised with the entire process. Politics is the dirtiest of businesses in the US.  Maybe used car sales is first. It has become a battle of slinging dirt and special interests on both sides. I do not hate the players, I hate the game. I will vote, but I don't really feel it will make a difference one way or the other. And that is sad.

The Heritage Foundation’s goal is to make you feel disenfranchised and apathetic. 

And the Washington Post and other liberal media's goal is to make me feel like I should hate Trump as a Nazi dictator. Who should I beleive?

I’ll play along. You can find factual information across different sources, so it sounds more like you disagree with how some outlets present it. Go watch unedited clips or transcripts of what he’s said and draw your own conclusions. 

Gern Blansten

2023

trump fucking up covid should be enough

Pence, Mattis, Mulvaney, Kelly, Milley, Esper, etc, not supporting trump should be WAY more than enough to vote against him

but whatever...if he wins we deserve him

pjl44

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

pjl44 said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

pjl44 said:

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

Nothing says good political instincts like turning a roast comic loose and following that up with Stephen Miller 

it's really something, isn't it? prior to the age of trump, any ONE of the thousand things this party has done in the last 8 years would have absolutely SUNK them in campaigns past. 

At this point I'm convinced it's a Brewster's Millions situation where there is some insane reward for whichever campaign loses

Brewster's Millions!

https://x.com/SteveGuest/status/1851421311785959703

We gotta get this guy out of the race!

I continue to not understand why he's still President. Harris should be President now and he should be eating pudding in a bathrobe.

Dang you're impatient for Kamala to be POTUS! Just hold tight mister.

I mean situations like this are one reason why we have a VP

Trump was president for 4 years.

Do you think he can even finish a book or get what adults say during a regular work meeting?

Shouldn't a VP have stepped in on day one in that case

Not for cognition issues like Biden but he should have been impeached at least one other time and removed from office. So directionally yeah another instance where we needed the VP.

BF25394

mrussel1 said:

Trump said he's going to disband the FBI, kill the DOE, and make the Fed under the Executive Branch,  effectively politicizing it. He also threatens to leave NATO, the agreement that has delivered intercontinental peace for 80 years now. He also routinely sides with Russia,  with he and Musk maintaining contact for the last four years.  This is while Russia is a sanctioned state who is allies with China,  NK and Iran. 

His solution to end the war in Ukraine is to give Russia the Eastern Oblasts. That will give Russia control of the largest grain supply in the world and cut Ukraine off from the Dnipro.  

It's very frustrating when people choose to remain ignorant and then claim they don't know what to believe. It's especially frustrating that we have listen to them brag about their ignorance every four years-- which only further reflects their ignorance because there are elections every year but they don't pay attention or vote in the ones that don't involve a choice for president.

It's a strange thing. There are a lot of topics where I'm not particularly informed. Opera. Soccer. Fine dining. Quantum mechanics. Something I generally don't do when it comes to those subjects is opine publicly on them. But people who pay no attention to politics most of the time, and who make no real effort to be engaged citizens-- to keep up with news from around the country and around the world from sources other than their Facebook feeds-- come out of the woodwork every four years to tell us how they can't make sense of things that more informed people figured out a long time ago. Or how the parties are the same even though they have completely different approaches to and philosophies of governing and have been demonstrating this consistently for well over a generation, and in a particularly acute way in the nine years since Trump came down the escalator. I am a lifelong independent and yet the stark difference between the two parties as they are constituted in 2024 and their presidential candidates could not be plainer to see.

JeBurkhardt

BF25394 said:

mrussel1 said:

Trump said he's going to disband the FBI, kill the DOE, and make the Fed under the Executive Branch,  effectively politicizing it. He also threatens to leave NATO, the agreement that has delivered intercontinental peace for 80 years now. He also routinely sides with Russia,  with he and Musk maintaining contact for the last four years.  This is while Russia is a sanctioned state who is allies with China,  NK and Iran. 

His solution to end the war in Ukraine is to give Russia the Eastern Oblasts. That will give Russia control of the largest grain supply in the world and cut Ukraine off from the Dnipro.  

It's very frustrating when people choose to remain ignorant and then claim they don't know what to believe. It's especially frustrating that we have listen to them brag about their ignorance every four years-- which only further reflects their ignorance because there are elections every year but they don't pay attention or vote in the ones that don't involve a choice for president.

It's a strange thing. There are a lot of topics where I'm not particularly informed. Opera. Soccer. Fine dining. Quantum mechanics. Something I generally don't do when it comes to those subjects is opine publicly on them. But people who pay no attention to politics most of the time, and who make no real effort to be engaged citizens-- to keep up with news from around the country and around the world from sources other than their Facebook feeds-- come out of the woodwork every four years to tell us how they can't make sense of things that more informed people figured out a long time ago. Or how the parties are the same even though they have completely different approaches to and philosophies of governing and have been demonstrating this consistently for well over a generation, and in a particularly acute way in the nine years since Trump came down the escalator. I am a lifelong independent and yet the stark difference between the two parties as they are constituted in 2024 and their presidential candidates could not be plainer to see.

Ignorance is only an excuse when you haven't been informed. Once you have been informed and still ignore it, then it moves to stupidity. 

Merkin Baller

JeBurkhardt said:

BF25394 said:

mrussel1 said:

Trump said he's going to disband the FBI, kill the DOE, and make the Fed under the Executive Branch,  effectively politicizing it. He also threatens to leave NATO, the agreement that has delivered intercontinental peace for 80 years now. He also routinely sides with Russia,  with he and Musk maintaining contact for the last four years.  This is while Russia is a sanctioned state who is allies with China,  NK and Iran. 

His solution to end the war in Ukraine is to give Russia the Eastern Oblasts. That will give Russia control of the largest grain supply in the world and cut Ukraine off from the Dnipro.  

It's very frustrating when people choose to remain ignorant and then claim they don't know what to believe. It's especially frustrating that we have listen to them brag about their ignorance every four years-- which only further reflects their ignorance because there are elections every year but they don't pay attention or vote in the ones that don't involve a choice for president.

It's a strange thing. There are a lot of topics where I'm not particularly informed. Opera. Soccer. Fine dining. Quantum mechanics. Something I generally don't do when it comes to those subjects is opine publicly on them. But people who pay no attention to politics most of the time, and who make no real effort to be engaged citizens-- to keep up with news from around the country and around the world from sources other than their Facebook feeds-- come out of the woodwork every four years to tell us how they can't make sense of things that more informed people figured out a long time ago. Or how the parties are the same even though they have completely different approaches to and philosophies of governing and have been demonstrating this consistently for well over a generation, and in a particularly acute way in the nine years since Trump came down the escalator. I am a lifelong independent and yet the stark difference between the two parties as they are constituted in 2024 and their presidential candidates could not be plainer to see.

Ignorance is only an excuse when you haven't been informed. Once you have been informed and still ignore it, then it moves to stupidity. 

Don't rule out malice.