Kamala Harris VEEP Pick

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,742
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:


    This was an odd exchange for sure. Immediately after saying he's "focused on the future" he asks a question (a stupid one) about four years ago.

    Vance did well. His strategy was clearly to poke at Harris instead of be a rabid dog. But I think he lost all he gained right here.
    Someone I follow on twitter compared this to giving up a grand slam in the 9th after pitching a 2 hit shutout through 8. 

    All of the lies aside (that Walz should have done a better job of calling him out on), Vance did well acting like a normal politician, but you lose this debate if you cannot admit Trump lost in 2020. Also this will likely be the only real clip that stands out from last night. 



    I wonder if all the news about Vance performing better than Trump will eat at Trump's ego and force him into attending the next debate...
    That would be insane can you imagine trumpollini on another debate right before the election 😂 I’d love to see him go nuts 
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,840
    edited October 2024
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    If anything it forces the country to have a dialog about it for a few weeks and makes people have an opinion on it or at least draws the line in the sand. People who aren't ok with gayness were never gonna vote D anyway. 

    Over 70% of Americans are fine with same sex marriage (so assume homosexuality too), it probably won’t be that big of an issue. 

    My issue is Pete has Ivy League airs. CA lawyer + ivy leaguer who worked at think tanks, come across as elitist which Dems definitely have an issue with. 

    He is still the best communicator for the admin and campaign. So he’s doing the job he needs to do anyway. 
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,036
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:


    This was an odd exchange for sure. Immediately after saying he's "focused on the future" he asks a question (a stupid one) about four years ago.

    Vance did well. His strategy was clearly to poke at Harris instead of be a rabid dog. But I think he lost all he gained right here.
    Someone I follow on twitter compared this to giving up a grand slam in the 9th after pitching a 2 hit shutout through 8. 

    All of the lies aside (that Walz should have done a better job of calling him out on), Vance did well acting like a normal politician, but you lose this debate if you cannot admit Trump lost in 2020. Also this will likely be the only real clip that stands out from last night. 



    I wonder if all the news about Vance performing better than Trump will eat at Trump's ego and force him into attending the next debate...

    No, Harris has slipped the last few days in the betting markets from 57 to 54% on the dollar. It’s insane how close this election is considering everything trump has done and how competent the Harris campaign has been, last night may have been its first slip. Very mediocre Walz performance and let Vance look reasonable and likable. Did not make the obvious policy attacks for the majority of the debate.
  • Tim Simmons
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    Waltz was never a 'go in for the kill' guy. He was level and competent and thats all he needed to be. Vance came off better than hes been. 

    this is the only valuable metric from the night of any importance.

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,352
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:


    This was an odd exchange for sure. Immediately after saying he's "focused on the future" he asks a question (a stupid one) about four years ago.

    Vance did well. His strategy was clearly to poke at Harris instead of be a rabid dog. But I think he lost all he gained right here.
    Someone I follow on twitter compared this to giving up a grand slam in the 9th after pitching a 2 hit shutout through 8. 

    All of the lies aside (that Walz should have done a better job of calling him out on), Vance did well acting like a normal politician, but you lose this debate if you cannot admit Trump lost in 2020. Also this will likely be the only real clip that stands out from last night. 



    I wonder if all the news about Vance performing better than Trump will eat at Trump's ego and force him into attending the next debate...

    No, Harris has slipped the last few days in the betting markets from 57 to 54% on the dollar. It’s insane how close this election is considering everything trump has done and how competent the Harris campaign has been, last night may have been its first slip. Very mediocre Walz performance and let Vance look reasonable and likable. Did not make the obvious policy attacks for the majority of the debate.
    I wouldn't say he "let" Vance look reasonable. Vance definitely took that approach which was the best decision his dumbass campaign has made so far.
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  • The Juggler
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    edited October 2024
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:


    This was an odd exchange for sure. Immediately after saying he's "focused on the future" he asks a question (a stupid one) about four years ago.

    Vance did well. His strategy was clearly to poke at Harris instead of be a rabid dog. But I think he lost all he gained right here.
    Someone I follow on twitter compared this to giving up a grand slam in the 9th after pitching a 2 hit shutout through 8. 

    All of the lies aside (that Walz should have done a better job of calling him out on), Vance did well acting like a normal politician, but you lose this debate if you cannot admit Trump lost in 2020. Also this will likely be the only real clip that stands out from last night. 



    I wonder if all the news about Vance performing better than Trump will eat at Trump's ego and force him into attending the next debate...

    No, Harris has slipped the last few days in the betting markets from 57 to 54% on the dollar. It’s insane how close this election is considering everything trump has done and how competent the Harris campaign has been, last night may have been its first slip. Very mediocre Walz performance and let Vance look reasonable and likable. Did not make the obvious policy attacks for the majority of the debate.
    No what? He won't debate because his betting odds have improved a little bit  over the last couple days (due, likely, to a lot of right leaning polls coming out lately)? From 538 to Silver to the Economist etc etc etc....the race has hardly changed in the last month +. Harris remains a slight ( all around 55%) favorite to win.

    Some good swing state polling for Harris this morning too...
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  • Tim Simmons
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    I never put stock in the betting markets anyway. Its just driven peoples vibes. 

  • Tim Simmons
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    If anything, last night was bad for Trump personally, because it demonstrated just how normal politics can be, and that he is an outlier with his excessiveness and his rambling. 

  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited October 2024
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    Tim Simmons said:
    I never put stock in the betting markets anyway. Its just driven peoples vibes. 

    They tend to swing wildly on a daily basis.Tim Simmons said:
    If anything, last night was bad for Trump personally, because it demonstrated just how normal politics can be, and that he is an outlier with his excessiveness and his rambling. 

    One thing universally agreed on last night was how civil it was. It was a normal debate. I mentioned this the other day that this is what we can look forward to after Trump is defeated once and for all. 
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  • Tim Simmons
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    I think the is the best take from last night. 


  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    The Juggler said:

    Some good swing state polling for Harris this morning too...
    What polls?
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila,  PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13; Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22; Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24; Pittsburgh 5/16/25; Pittsburgh 5/18/25

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  • brianlux
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    Merkin Baller said:
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    cincybearcat said:
    In my reassessing the situation, Kamala clear should have picked Pete.  
    if everyone voting were a reasonable non-bigot, yes, he'd be fantastic. but too many people would never vote a black woman and gay man. 
    Agreed. 

    Yeah, same here.
    Pete's great, but we have to remember that this is America, and too many American's are still living in the past.  Walz appeals to the moderates more than Pete would, and Harris needs as many votes as possible or we'll end up....
    I can't even write the rest.  :Horrors:
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  • Tim Simmons
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    The Juggler said:

    Some good swing state polling for Harris this morning too...
    What polls?

  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited October 2024
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    The Juggler said:

    Some good swing state polling for Harris this morning too...
    What polls?
    AZ, MI, NV, PA, WI all showing Harris up slightly--nothing new but supports her lead.

    Also this stuff below is good (except for the indie thing)





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  • Tim Simmons
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    MU law poll dropping now. Some really interesting insights there.

  • Tim Simmons
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    https://law.marquette.edu/poll/


  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,352
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    Tim Simmons said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    The Juggler said:

    Some good swing state polling for Harris this morning too...
    What polls?

    The Stein advantage in NC isn't translating to Harris for some reason. Not sure I believe that she's tied with trump there.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • The Juggler
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    Wonder if we should have one thread devoted to just polling for those of us who are into it and to not bore everyone else lol
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Do these polls take into account the purge of voters from voter rolls, the long lines and invariable number of folks who walk away without voting and the effect of natural disasters on turnout and/or ability to vote? If they don’t, I wouldn’t trust them one iota.
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  • cincybearcat
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    The Juggler said:
    Wonder if we should have one thread devoted to just polling for those of us who are into it and to not bore everyone else lol
    Yes ;)
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