Kamala Harris VEEP Pick

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    I thought there was one years ago. Called 538 or something like that. I think it got locked never to return. 
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  • Tim Simmons
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    Josh Shapiro
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    Do these polls take into account the purge of voters from voter rolls, the long lines and invariable number of folks who walk away without voting and the effect of natural disasters on turnout and/or ability to vote? If they don’t, I wouldn’t trust them one iota.
    No they don’t. And to your point, it’s more about measuring which way the wind blows as opposed to predicting the results. At the end of the day, all that matters is why happens on Election Day. I think people like getting a more general sense beyond their anecdotal observations. 
  • Johnny Abruzzo
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  • mickeyrat
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:


    This was an odd exchange for sure. Immediately after saying he's "focused on the future" he asks a question (a stupid one) about four years ago.

    Vance did well. His strategy was clearly to poke at Harris instead of be a rabid dog. But I think he lost all he gained right here.
    Someone I follow on twitter compared this to giving up a grand slam in the 9th after pitching a 2 hit shutout through 8. 

    All of the lies aside (that Walz should have done a better job of calling him out on), Vance did well acting like a normal politician, but you lose this debate if you cannot admit Trump lost in 2020. Also this will likely be the only real clip that stands out from last night. 



    I wonder if all the news about Vance performing better than Trump will eat at Trump's ego and force him into attending the next debate...

    No, Harris has slipped the last few days in the betting markets from 57 to 54% on the dollar. It’s insane how close this election is considering everything trump has done and how competent the Harris campaign has been, last night may have been its first slip. Very mediocre Walz performance and let Vance look reasonable and likable. Did not make the obvious policy attacks for the majority of the debate.
    I wouldn't say he "let" Vance look reasonable. Vance definitely took that approach which was the best decision his dumbass campaign has made so far.

    then the following day, its business as usual....
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  • brianlux
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    cincybearcat said:
    The Juggler said:
    Wonder if we should have one thread devoted to just polling for those of us who are into it and to not bore everyone else lol
    Yes ;)

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    Actually, I'm out, but you know what I mean.  :lol: 
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  • pjl44
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    Josh Shapiro
    This guy is just a bullshit artist who's in over his head.

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  • Tim Simmons
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    Josh Shapiro
    That reads like MN conservatives trying make hay while the sun shines with some nit picky oversights just because it happened under his watch. 
  • pjl44
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    Josh Shapiro
    Nitpicking 


  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,346
    Josh Shapiro
    pjl44 said:
    Nitpicking 


    This happened all over on the federal side as well...you blaming trump for that?

    These funds were thrown out so quickly there was no way to monitor effectively. I had a client that had received at least $100K in PPP money and he had NO EMPLOYEES! He ignorantly reported his 1099 contractor payments as "Wages" on the application and went so far as to create his own 941 forms that back up the payroll. I don't believe he was doing the 941 fraudulently....I think he thought he was supposed to report the 1099 vendors on form 941 and just had no idea.


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  • njhaley1
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    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Nitpicking 


    This happened all over on the federal side as well...you blaming trump for that?


    It was so bad under Ducey and Trump in Arizona, even my kid's daycare operator got in on it - bought himself a new Suburban, ATV, and hauler with his PPP money. Reported to the DOJ.  

    Others in the state:
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-az/pr/four-arizona-swindlers-sentenced-paycheck-protection-program-fraud
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/arizona-man-and-co-defendants-facing-federal-charges-roles-178-million-covid-19-fraud
    https://www.12news.com/article/news/crime/former-special-needs-provider-indicted-for-ppp-fraud/75-2ed316f6-4b95-4ca2-91b0-61b8ab591682
  • pjl44
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    Josh Shapiro
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    Nitpicking 


    This happened all over on the federal side as well...you blaming trump for that?

    These funds were thrown out so quickly there was no way to monitor effectively. I had a client that had received at least $100K in PPP money and he had NO EMPLOYEES! He ignorantly reported his 1099 contractor payments as "Wages" on the application and went so far as to create his own 941 forms that back up the payroll. I don't believe he was doing the 941 fraudulently....I think he thought he was supposed to report the 1099 vendors on form 941 and just had no idea.


    Yes of course I'm blaming Trump for that. PPP was an unmitigated disaster.
  • pjl44
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    Josh Shapiro
    When you talk about Trump's responsibility for inflation isn't that the first thing you point to?
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,346
    Josh Shapiro
    pjl44 said:
    When you talk about Trump's responsibility for inflation isn't that the first thing you point to?
    yes...the PPP money should have been paid back if the company sales didn't falter. They gave me $50K and I had the best year of my life up to that point. Just stupid money.
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • pjl44
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    Josh Shapiro
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    When you talk about Trump's responsibility for inflation isn't that the first thing you point to?
    yes...the PPP money should have been paid back if the company sales didn't falter. They gave me $50K and I had the best year of my life up to that point. Just stupid money.
    And that's before you even get to the myriad examples of outright fraud
  • Gern Blansten
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    Josh Shapiro
    pjl44 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    pjl44 said:
    When you talk about Trump's responsibility for inflation isn't that the first thing you point to?
    yes...the PPP money should have been paid back if the company sales didn't falter. They gave me $50K and I had the best year of my life up to that point. Just stupid money.
    And that's before you even get to the myriad examples of outright fraud
    yep...the biggest one I saw was around $700K...a trucking company that had their best year ever.

    Now how hard would it have been to foresee that? Why not have a caveat where if you ended up NOT having a decline in sales that you gave the money back?

    And to boot...it was fucking tax free
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Tim Simmons
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    Josh Shapiro
    pjl44 said:
    Nitpicking 


    I don't get it. These people got caught. Whats the issue here?

  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,346
    Josh Shapiro
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Nitpicking 


    I don't get it. These people got caught. Whats the issue here?

    it happened on his watch...therefore he knew exactly what was going on
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Nitpicking 


    I don't get it. These people got caught. Whats the issue here?

    it happened on his watch...therefore he knew exactly what was going on
    And was receiving kickbacks. How else do you explain someone making less than $200K a year becoming the VP candidate of a major political party. Those kickbacks were funneled to Kamala through Obama, hence why Brandon and Obama don’t get along.
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  • njhaley1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Nitpicking 


    I don't get it. These people got caught. Whats the issue here?

    it happened on his watch...therefore he knew exactly what was going on
    And was receiving kickbacks. How else do you explain someone making less than $200K a year becoming the VP candidate of a major political party. Those kickbacks were funneled to Kamala through Obama, hence why Brandon and Obama don’t get along.
    The kickbacks were used to buy tampons for the boys locker rooms and provide illegals in prison with gender-affirming surgery. I knew it!
  • Merkin Baller
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    njhaley1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    pjl44 said:
    Nitpicking 


    I don't get it. These people got caught. Whats the issue here?

    it happened on his watch...therefore he knew exactly what was going on
    And was receiving kickbacks. How else do you explain someone making less than $200K a year becoming the VP candidate of a major political party. Those kickbacks were funneled to Kamala through Obama, hence why Brandon and Obama don’t get along.
    The kickbacks were used to buy tampons for the boys locker rooms and provide illegals in prison with gender-affirming surgery. I knew it!

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