** KAMALA HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT -PART DEUX **
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just participated in a poll . the way the questions were framed tells me which party it originated from......
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Yeah, push polls.mickeyrat said:just participated in a poll . the way the questions were framed tells me which party it originated from......
using the exact wording and language from pac ads for fucksticks choice for senator in ohio....
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If only the media actually spent some time pointing out all the idiotic insane things Trump says daily (the Hannibal Lecter shit, shark/battery nonsense, windmills and dead birds etc etc etc) perhaps the polling would not be as tight as it is. They still go out of their way to make him seem like a normal person.
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The answer to your last question is that Democrats haven't put up a no-shit alternative. Harris did poorly in the 2020 primaries so it was pretty obvious it would be a white knuckle ride. If there were any D voices a year or two ago saying the move was for Biden to not seek a second term and to have an open primary, those are voices worth considering in the future.brianlux said:I really wonder sometimes what's up with the NY Times. They posted an article today with the headline, "Trump and Harris Neck and Neck after Summer Upheaval Times/Siena Poll Finds". All the other polls show Harris leading. I'm really getting sick to death of all these media sources posting shit like it's God's truth and yet they so often contradict each other. And WTF, is NY Times backing Trump these days?The other thing that bugs me even more is that I still read about how "close" this race is. Is that even possibly true and if so, how in the hell can that be? In Trump's latest rallys, he's showing himself to being on the extreme of mentally incompetent. Fans of his are walking out of his rallys. And yet again and again these various new sources report that the race is close. Am I hallucinating this shit? How is any of this even possible?0 -
I don't know if this poll is an outlier but this seems wild to meTim Simmons said:Its consistant with every other poll. Every other poll has them neck and neck once you factor in the MOE and its been this way for the month.
The best takeaway from the NYT poll, which is one of the best if not THE best pollster, is that there are a lot of voters who could be persuadable to Harris. Again. The rule of thumb is voters don't start paying close attention until after labor day. We are one week out and the first debate is this week. Someone may start pulling away after that.
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Yeah....however it's more to do with the cult like following Trump has. There is literally nothing he can do or say that will cause his base to sway from him. If any other republican behaved like Trump he or she would have dropped out long ago.pjl44 said:
The answer to your last question is that Democrats haven't put up a no-shit alternative. Harris did poorly in the 2020 primaries so it was pretty obvious it would be a white knuckle ride. If there were any D voices a year or two ago saying the move was for Biden to not seek a second term and to have an open primary, those are voices worth considering in the future.brianlux said:I really wonder sometimes what's up with the NY Times. They posted an article today with the headline, "Trump and Harris Neck and Neck after Summer Upheaval Times/Siena Poll Finds". All the other polls show Harris leading. I'm really getting sick to death of all these media sources posting shit like it's God's truth and yet they so often contradict each other. And WTF, is NY Times backing Trump these days?The other thing that bugs me even more is that I still read about how "close" this race is. Is that even possibly true and if so, how in the hell can that be? In Trump's latest rallys, he's showing himself to being on the extreme of mentally incompetent. Fans of his are walking out of his rallys. And yet again and again these various new sources report that the race is close. Am I hallucinating this shit? How is any of this even possible?
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Yeah, totally agree. This is that closed primary problem. He has enough of a base to knock out the primary but nowhere near enough for a general election.The Juggler said:
Yeah....however it's more to do with the cult like following Trump has. There is literally nothing he can do or say that will cause his base to sway from him. If any other republican behaved like Trump he or she would have dropped out long ago.pjl44 said:
The answer to your last question is that Democrats haven't put up a no-shit alternative. Harris did poorly in the 2020 primaries so it was pretty obvious it would be a white knuckle ride. If there were any D voices a year or two ago saying the move was for Biden to not seek a second term and to have an open primary, those are voices worth considering in the future.brianlux said:I really wonder sometimes what's up with the NY Times. They posted an article today with the headline, "Trump and Harris Neck and Neck after Summer Upheaval Times/Siena Poll Finds". All the other polls show Harris leading. I'm really getting sick to death of all these media sources posting shit like it's God's truth and yet they so often contradict each other. And WTF, is NY Times backing Trump these days?The other thing that bugs me even more is that I still read about how "close" this race is. Is that even possibly true and if so, how in the hell can that be? In Trump's latest rallys, he's showing himself to being on the extreme of mentally incompetent. Fans of his are walking out of his rallys. And yet again and again these various new sources report that the race is close. Am I hallucinating this shit? How is any of this even possible?
Conversely....if the republicans would have nominated a normal human being they'd likely be cruising to victory right now .
I think Haley or Shapiro would each be relatively coasting right now, although I could probably only really back up the former. We have two soft general election candidates racing to see who can fuck it up worse.0 -
Seems likely. Don’t confuse independent with swing. Most in that age bracket who will be voting will vote Dem.pjl44 said:
I don't know if this poll is an outlier but this seems wild to meTim Simmons said:Its consistant with every other poll. Every other poll has them neck and neck once you factor in the MOE and its been this way for the month.
The best takeaway from the NYT poll, which is one of the best if not THE best pollster, is that there are a lot of voters who could be persuadable to Harris. Again. The rule of thumb is voters don't start paying close attention until after labor day. We are one week out and the first debate is this week. Someone may start pulling away after that.
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I think it’s less that Harris isn’t that good. IMO, she’s actually very good. If you think she’s malleable on positions, well I think that’s an asset. Times change. Things change. We need leaders to change too. Rigidity in politics demonstrates close mindedness. I do agree, until this summer Dems tried to keep to The Norms. That's the old way of thinking. Biden is the president, so support him. Trump proved ‘fuck the norms, be nasty’. Dems are slowly catching on to that being the new Norm.pjl44 said:
The answer to your last question is that Democrats haven't put up a no-shit alternative. Harris did poorly in the 2020 primaries so it was pretty obvious it would be a white knuckle ride. If there were any D voices a year or two ago saying the move was for Biden to not seek a second term and to have an open primary, those are voices worth considering in the future.brianlux said:I really wonder sometimes what's up with the NY Times. They posted an article today with the headline, "Trump and Harris Neck and Neck after Summer Upheaval Times/Siena Poll Finds". All the other polls show Harris leading. I'm really getting sick to death of all these media sources posting shit like it's God's truth and yet they so often contradict each other. And WTF, is NY Times backing Trump these days?The other thing that bugs me even more is that I still read about how "close" this race is. Is that even possibly true and if so, how in the hell can that be? In Trump's latest rallys, he's showing himself to being on the extreme of mentally incompetent. Fans of his are walking out of his rallys. And yet again and again these various new sources report that the race is close. Am I hallucinating this shit? How is any of this even possible?But to Brian’s Q, I think there’s 2 reasons it’s close. One, people feel let down by the system. Sure politics and politicians, but more to the point, it’s the system as a whole. Some of it is entitlement, but some are true systemic failures. Neither party seems keen to fully address it. I think Dems have better in roads and have made solid gains (ACA, and the parts of BBB that have been enacted). But due to cynicism, bad actors in the media, and intangible gains, they don’t feel like things are better.The other reason is a solid portion of Americans are truly dummies. I’m not trying to be a dick here, but there are some who truly don’t fucking get it. And there’s lots of reasons for it. Bad or lack of education. Lack of experience and world view. Bad media or religion. Whatever’s held them back, makes them dummies. It’s sad. But the world is complex and hard and like I said earlier the system has failed them at points. So they look at Trump or Jill stein or who ever, proxies for their anger and frustration, and they misplace their hope. It’s sad in so many ways.I’m not saying Harris is a savior or the next great hope. But she’s the sanest one for moving forward.Post edited by Tim Simmons on0 -
If you found out that Kamala Harris was actually born a female, transitioned to a man, transitioned to a dolphin, and finally transitioned back to a woman over the same period of time during which she shot 39 people coming out of 39 different churches and wrote 309 anti-police rap songs, would you be more likely or less likely to vote for her?mrussel1 said:
Yeah, push polls.mickeyrat said:just participated in a poll . the way the questions were framed tells me which party it originated from......
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Yeah but why didn't she have those a year ago?Halifax2TheMax said:
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Also, she is against Capitol- storming. I'm a single issue voter in that regard.0 -
That tracks. Although man that is tight for the youths.Go Beavers said:
Seems likely. Don’t confuse independent with swing. Most in that age bracket who will be voting will vote Dem.pjl44 said:
I don't know if this poll is an outlier but this seems wild to meTim Simmons said:Its consistant with every other poll. Every other poll has them neck and neck once you factor in the MOE and its been this way for the month.
The best takeaway from the NYT poll, which is one of the best if not THE best pollster, is that there are a lot of voters who could be persuadable to Harris. Again. The rule of thumb is voters don't start paying close attention until after labor day. We are one week out and the first debate is this week. Someone may start pulling away after that.
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Like this f'ing guy in my neighborhood. So many things to tear apart in this nonsense. And at the same time, I asked my wife - you think this guy isn't gunning to be in charge of the camps when either Trump wins or he tries to overthrow the government after losing in a few months?Tim Simmons said:pjl44 said:
The answer to your last question is that Democrats haven't put up a no-shit alternative. Harris did poorly in the 2020 primaries so it was pretty obvious it would be a white knuckle ride. If there were any D voices a year or two ago saying the move was for Biden to not seek a second term and to have an open primary, those are voices worth considering in the future.brianlux said:I really wonder sometimes what's up with the NY Times. They posted an article today with the headline, "Trump and Harris Neck and Neck after Summer Upheaval Times/Siena Poll Finds". All the other polls show Harris leading. I'm really getting sick to death of all these media sources posting shit like it's God's truth and yet they so often contradict each other. And WTF, is NY Times backing Trump these days?The other thing that bugs me even more is that I still read about how "close" this race is. Is that even possibly true and if so, how in the hell can that be? In Trump's latest rallys, he's showing himself to being on the extreme of mentally incompetent. Fans of his are walking out of his rallys. And yet again and again these various new sources report that the race is close. Am I hallucinating this shit? How is any of this even possible?The other reason is a solid portion of Americans are truly dummies. I’m not trying to be a dick here, but there are some who truly don’t fucking get it. And there’s lots of reasons for it. Bad or lack of education. Lack of experience and world view. Bad media or religion. Whatever’s held them back, makes them dummies. It’s sad. But the world is complex and hard and like I said earlier the system has failed them at points. So they look at Trump or Jill stein or who ever, proxies for their anger and frustration, and they misplace their hope. It’s sad in so many ways.
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For the sake of Democrat voters, I truly hope that people running a D Presidential campaign don't come from your position in paragraph 3Tim Simmons said:
I think it’s less that Harris isn’t that good. IMO, she’s actually very good. If you think she’s malleable on positions, well I think that’s an asset. Times change. Things change. We need leaders to change too. Rigidity in politics demonstrates close mindedness. I do agree, until this summer Dems tried to keep to The Norms. That's the old way of thinking. Biden is the president, so support him. Trump proved ‘fuck the norms, be nasty’. Dems are slowly catching on to that being the new Norm.pjl44 said:
The answer to your last question is that Democrats haven't put up a no-shit alternative. Harris did poorly in the 2020 primaries so it was pretty obvious it would be a white knuckle ride. If there were any D voices a year or two ago saying the move was for Biden to not seek a second term and to have an open primary, those are voices worth considering in the future.brianlux said:I really wonder sometimes what's up with the NY Times. They posted an article today with the headline, "Trump and Harris Neck and Neck after Summer Upheaval Times/Siena Poll Finds". All the other polls show Harris leading. I'm really getting sick to death of all these media sources posting shit like it's God's truth and yet they so often contradict each other. And WTF, is NY Times backing Trump these days?The other thing that bugs me even more is that I still read about how "close" this race is. Is that even possibly true and if so, how in the hell can that be? In Trump's latest rallys, he's showing himself to being on the extreme of mentally incompetent. Fans of his are walking out of his rallys. And yet again and again these various new sources report that the race is close. Am I hallucinating this shit? How is any of this even possible?But to Brian’s Q, I think there’s 2 reasons it’s close. One, people feel let down by the system. Sure politics and politicians, but more to the point, it’s the system as a whole. Some of it is entitlement, but some are true systemic failures. Neither party seems keen to fully address it. I think Dems have better in roads and have made solid gains (ACA, and the parts of BBB that have been enacted). But due to cynicism, bad actors in the media, and intangible gains, they don’t feel like things are better.The other reason is a solid portion of Americans are truly dummies. I’m not trying to be a dick here, but there are some who truly don’t fucking get it. And there’s lots of reasons for it. Bad or lack of education. Lack of experience and world view. Bad media or religion. Whatever’s held them back, makes them dummies. It’s sad. But the world is complex and hard and like I said earlier the system has failed them at points. So they look at Trump or Jill stein or who ever, proxies for their anger and frustration, and they misplace their hope. It’s sad in so many ways.I’m not saying Harris is a savior or the next great hope. But she’s the sanest one for moving forward.0 -
My personal opinion is that mindset and anything that flows from it is at least somewhat responsible for the state of this race0
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The condescension and unearned arrogance embedded in a worldview like that is something that Democrats should try to dispel but I see waaaaay too many state proudly0
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He is correct. The campaign is smart enough not to treat them like that though.pjl44 said:
For the sake of Democrat voters, I truly hope that people running a D Presidential campaign don't come from your position in paragraph 3Tim Simmons said:
I think it’s less that Harris isn’t that good. IMO, she’s actually very good. If you think she’s malleable on positions, well I think that’s an asset. Times change. Things change. We need leaders to change too. Rigidity in politics demonstrates close mindedness. I do agree, until this summer Dems tried to keep to The Norms. That's the old way of thinking. Biden is the president, so support him. Trump proved ‘fuck the norms, be nasty’. Dems are slowly catching on to that being the new Norm.pjl44 said:
The answer to your last question is that Democrats haven't put up a no-shit alternative. Harris did poorly in the 2020 primaries so it was pretty obvious it would be a white knuckle ride. If there were any D voices a year or two ago saying the move was for Biden to not seek a second term and to have an open primary, those are voices worth considering in the future.brianlux said:I really wonder sometimes what's up with the NY Times. They posted an article today with the headline, "Trump and Harris Neck and Neck after Summer Upheaval Times/Siena Poll Finds". All the other polls show Harris leading. I'm really getting sick to death of all these media sources posting shit like it's God's truth and yet they so often contradict each other. And WTF, is NY Times backing Trump these days?The other thing that bugs me even more is that I still read about how "close" this race is. Is that even possibly true and if so, how in the hell can that be? In Trump's latest rallys, he's showing himself to being on the extreme of mentally incompetent. Fans of his are walking out of his rallys. And yet again and again these various new sources report that the race is close. Am I hallucinating this shit? How is any of this even possible?But to Brian’s Q, I think there’s 2 reasons it’s close. One, people feel let down by the system. Sure politics and politicians, but more to the point, it’s the system as a whole. Some of it is entitlement, but some are true systemic failures. Neither party seems keen to fully address it. I think Dems have better in roads and have made solid gains (ACA, and the parts of BBB that have been enacted). But due to cynicism, bad actors in the media, and intangible gains, they don’t feel like things are better.The other reason is a solid portion of Americans are truly dummies. I’m not trying to be a dick here, but there are some who truly don’t fucking get it. And there’s lots of reasons for it. Bad or lack of education. Lack of experience and world view. Bad media or religion. Whatever’s held them back, makes them dummies. It’s sad. But the world is complex and hard and like I said earlier the system has failed them at points. So they look at Trump or Jill stein or who ever, proxies for their anger and frustration, and they misplace their hope. It’s sad in so many ways.I’m not saying Harris is a savior or the next great hope. But she’s the sanest one for moving forward.www.myspace.com0
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