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 But how do Darth Cheney and Liz feel about Project 2025? It’s not the message, it’s the messenger.BF25394 said:Here is a sentence I've never uttered before: Dick Cheney is exactly right.
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 the problem I have with some of these assholes "coming around" is that do they really give a shit about "democracy" or do they just really, really hate what Trump has done to their party and they want things to go back to "normal"?BF25394 said:Here is a sentence I've never uttered before: Dick Cheney is exactly right.
 https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/dick-cheney-kamala-harris-president/index.htmlYour boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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 I suppose POOTWH has lost the bikers?mickeyrat said: 09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA; 09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 Liz Cheney has been pretty consistent on this since the election. None of this makes either Cheney someone I would vote for, but I can give credit where due. Trump is a disgrace, but I can acknowledge that he did a good job with expediting the vaccine, for example. Or G.W. Bush-- he was a failed president and I'd never vote for him, but I can acknowledge that he did a really good thing with PEPFAR.HughFreakingDillon said:
 the problem I have with some of these assholes "coming around" is that do they really give a shit about "democracy" or do they just really, really hate what Trump has done to their party and they want things to go back to "normal"?BF25394 said:Here is a sentence I've never uttered before: Dick Cheney is exactly right.
 https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/dick-cheney-kamala-harris-president/index.html
 The thing I was agreeing with specifically was Dick's comment that Trump shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power.Post edited by BF25394 onI gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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 Fully understood your position. Maybe I should haven't quoted you, more just thinking out loud. I don't know if these people care about their country or just their party.BF25394 said:
 Liz Cheney has been pretty consistent on this since the election. None of this makes either Cheney someone I would vote for, but I can give credit where due. Trump is a disgrace, but I can acknowledge that he did a good job with expediting the vaccine, for example. Or G.W. Bush-- he was a failed president and I'd never vote for him, but I can acknowledge that he did a really good thing with PEPFAR.HughFreakingDillon said:
 the problem I have with some of these assholes "coming around" is that do they really give a shit about "democracy" or do they just really, really hate what Trump has done to their party and they want things to go back to "normal"?BF25394 said:Here is a sentence I've never uttered before: Dick Cheney is exactly right.
 https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/dick-cheney-kamala-harris-president/index.html
 The thing I was agreeing with specifically was Dick's comment that Trump shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0
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 I hope she asks what his favorite Death Row record is.The Juggler said:
 The more likely explanation is he hardly even understood the question so he pivoted to the only thing he really cares about....tariffs.BF25394 said:
 I'm loath to defend Trump, but I don't think this answer is nonsensical, exactly. It's digressive, it's unspecific, and it fundamentally misunderstands economics, but there is a logic to it. He is saying that his tariffs (what he calls "taxes on foreign nations") will generate so much money that we'll be able to spend it on new programs, including expanded access to child care. There are problems with this answer, including that this is not how tariffs work-- they are paid by U.S. consumers, not foreign nations-- and the answer completely dodges the part of the question asking what specific things Trump would support.The Juggler said:Shouldn't there be calls for him to drop out after this nonsensical response? Isn't that how this works?
 I would be interested to hear from our maga friends about what they thing about his answer....not what you think about the subject, but with how Trump answered. The cognitive decline is real and it is sad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVinpyscTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVinpyscTU
 Now, with respect to the frequent times when Trump really does utter word salads that don't track, as someone said, "good luck with that" getting people to focus on it. Trump "not making sense" is the norm, and thus the bar is lowered. When Biden struggled at the debate, it stood out because Biden generally makes sense. He's not the smoothest public speaker and never has been, and he may mix up a name or word at times, but he doesn't usually say things like "we finally beat Medicare" after losing his train of thought in the middle of a rambling answer. It alarmed people because it deviated so much from the norm. Trump is out there every day rambling like a mental patient, so people are inured to it when he goes off on a tangent about sharks or Hannibal Lecter or ancient aliens or whatever.
 I would for Kamala to bring up Hannibal Lector of the shark thing, almost in a joking matter, and ask him to explain what the hell he means.0
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            2025I say the more the merrier at this point KH needs all the votes she can get be it a repulsive human like Cheney!jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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            2023Oops.James Murdoch, Mark Cuban and dozens of other business leaders endorse Kamala Harris for president09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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            superlative man strikes again..... _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________ _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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 Fucking bullshit artist! Lot’s of words but not one concrete answer just Blaaaa blahhh blahhhh Chinaaaa chinaaamickeyrat said:superlative man strikes again..... jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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            hmmm..... Oh I get it now. THEN the kids take care of the parents for the rest of their lives...
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 you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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 another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140
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 I hope she asks what his favorite Death Row record is.The Juggler said:
 The more likely explanation is he hardly even understood the question so he pivoted to the only thing he really cares about....tariffs.BF25394 said:
 I'm loath to defend Trump, but I don't think this answer is nonsensical, exactly. It's digressive, it's unspecific, and it fundamentally misunderstands economics, but there is a logic to it. He is saying that his tariffs (what he calls "taxes on foreign nations") will generate so much money that we'll be able to spend it on new programs, including expanded access to child care. There are problems with this answer, including that this is not how tariffs work-- they are paid by U.S. consumers, not foreign nations-- and the answer completely dodges the part of the question asking what specific things Trump would support.The Juggler said:Shouldn't there be calls for him to drop out after this nonsensical response? Isn't that how this works?
 I would be interested to hear from our maga friends about what they thing about his answer....not what you think about the subject, but with how Trump answered. The cognitive decline is real and it is sad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVinpyscTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVinpyscTU
 Now, with respect to the frequent times when Trump really does utter word salads that don't track, as someone said, "good luck with that" getting people to focus on it. Trump "not making sense" is the norm, and thus the bar is lowered. When Biden struggled at the debate, it stood out because Biden generally makes sense. He's not the smoothest public speaker and never has been, and he may mix up a name or word at times, but he doesn't usually say things like "we finally beat Medicare" after losing his train of thought in the middle of a rambling answer. It alarmed people because it deviated so much from the norm. Trump is out there every day rambling like a mental patient, so people are inured to it when he goes off on a tangent about sharks or Hannibal Lecter or ancient aliens or whatever.
 I would for Kamala to bring up Hannibal Lector of the shark thing, almost in a joking matter, and ask him to explain what the hell he means.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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 It would help more if Lachlan Murdoch came out for her.Halifax2TheMax said:Oops.James Murdoch, Mark Cuban and dozens of other business leaders endorse Kamala Harris for presidentI gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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            2025She should look directly in his direction and say “ Donald I’ve been black & Indian my whole life” plus he hates being called Donald 😂jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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 POOTWH’s diaper is leaking with that colon blow. And yet, posters on here will still pull the lever for it.mickeyrat said:superlative man strikes again..... 09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA; 09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 Hey, Colon Blow is my favorite high-fiber cereal and I won't stand for you associating it with that asshole.Halifax2TheMax said:POOTWH’s diaper is leaking with that colon blow. And yet, posters on here will still pull the lever for it.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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            2023can kamala reject dick cheney's endorsement?
 she should run as far away from that as fast as she can."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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 another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140
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