Who will be the Democratic nominee?

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

seanwon said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

You can bet that tRump's camp is wishing they had that Vance pick back. I bet they would go with Haley right now given the circumstances.

Interesting argument.  Would she have taken it?

I bet she would; she's every bit as ambitious/ craven as Vance is. She would have been a far more palatable option, too, since her foreign policy views are reality-based, at least.

Let’s be honest if she was picked she would be slandered here by the lefty liberals just like any other candidate. That’s what you do here.

End of the day it doesn’t matter. The 10-20 posters here are voting for an empty chair over Trump. It’s people like me who have voted mostly Democrat in their life that needs a centrist candidate to be better than Trump. That isn’t Kamala. That’s what is going to decide the swing states and ultimately the election.

I don't believe that for a second. Sorry.

Believe it.  I never have and never would vote for Trump.  I have voted for just 1 Republican presidential candidate in my life.  I WASN'T voting for Biden, I will grudgingly vote for Harris.  But not excited about it.  And none of the liberals I know are excited about it, or the direction of the Dem party recently.  To be fair, none of the Cons I know are excited by the republican party in recent years either.  I suppose I am lucky to be surrounded by a lot of normal people, rather than people brainwashed by the far left and right. 

Fair,  but you're replying to discussion with someone else.  That person believes Pelosi is blackmailing a federal judge to increase Huntet's sentence.  And that Harris "slept her way" to the top.  People who believe this nonsense are voting for Trump. 

agreed.

people that are voting for trump are voting for trump. end of story. they are ungettable, so democrats should stop trying to sway them to their side. it isn't going to work.

the people the dems need to engage are swing voters and reasonable people, and confused/dismayed republicans. those are the only gettable votes outside of the dem base. 

To this point I would add I think Dems really need to focus on making the positive case for Harris and not just keep shit talking Trump. His favorables are well underwater. The problem is hers are too but I think she's in a much better position to reframe/reintroduce herself as a candidate.

to this point i believe the gop should tell trump to tone down the violent and hateful rhetoric. he needs to be an adult for once and conduct himself like an adult and like a serious player on the world stage. dems cannot let it go unchecked or they will be called weak by trump.

i think the dems actually know what they are doing with regard to their new strategy. 

anybody that is positive on trump is a waste of time for democrats. they will not get those people.

The playbook is simple. Her being twenty years younger and being able to fully articulate this intelligently is an enormous bonus that maga, typically, is underestimating. 

Oh I think they know, that's why they've been freaking out since Biden dropped out.

josevolution said:

teskeinc said:

https://youtu.be/sFsqpTU5SrE?si=8JuTpkbZiTo9a368

Articulate? Ok. 

Ok that seals it for me I won’t vote for her because of a YouTube video clip 🤡

Sadly for Trump, these couple of clips from years ago are way more articulate than something you can find him saying on a daily basis currently.

Trump is just too old to be president again. He needs to drop out. 

dignin said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

pjl44 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

seanwon said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

You can bet that tRump's camp is wishing they had that Vance pick back. I bet they would go with Haley right now given the circumstances.

Interesting argument.  Would she have taken it?

I bet she would; she's every bit as ambitious/ craven as Vance is. She would have been a far more palatable option, too, since her foreign policy views are reality-based, at least.

Let’s be honest if she was picked she would be slandered here by the lefty liberals just like any other candidate. That’s what you do here.

End of the day it doesn’t matter. The 10-20 posters here are voting for an empty chair over Trump. It’s people like me who have voted mostly Democrat in their life that needs a centrist candidate to be better than Trump. That isn’t Kamala. That’s what is going to decide the swing states and ultimately the election.

I don't believe that for a second. Sorry.

Believe it.  I never have and never would vote for Trump.  I have voted for just 1 Republican presidential candidate in my life.  I WASN'T voting for Biden, I will grudgingly vote for Harris.  But not excited about it.  And none of the liberals I know are excited about it, or the direction of the Dem party recently.  To be fair, none of the Cons I know are excited by the republican party in recent years either.  I suppose I am lucky to be surrounded by a lot of normal people, rather than people brainwashed by the far left and right. 

Fair,  but you're replying to discussion with someone else.  That person believes Pelosi is blackmailing a federal judge to increase Huntet's sentence.  And that Harris "slept her way" to the top.  People who believe this nonsense are voting for Trump. 

agreed.

people that are voting for trump are voting for trump. end of story. they are ungettable, so democrats should stop trying to sway them to their side. it isn't going to work.

the people the dems need to engage are swing voters and reasonable people, and confused/dismayed republicans. those are the only gettable votes outside of the dem base. 

To this point I would add I think Dems really need to focus on making the positive case for Harris and not just keep shit talking Trump. His favorables are well underwater. The problem is hers are too but I think she's in a much better position to reframe/reintroduce herself as a candidate.

to this point i believe the gop should tell trump to tone down the violent and hateful rhetoric. he needs to be an adult for once and conduct himself like an adult and like a serious player on the world stage. dems cannot let it go unchecked or they will be called weak by trump.

i think the dems actually know what they are doing with regard to their new strategy. 

anybody that is positive on trump is a waste of time for democrats. they will not get those people.

The playbook is simple. Her being twenty years younger and being able to fully articulate this intelligently is an enormous bonus that maga, typically, is underestimating. 

Oh I think they know, that's why they've been freaking out since Biden dropped out.

And they keep throwing out the "tRump is the OLDEST person nominated to be president" which is absolutely true. Biden had not yet been nominated.

Gern Blansten said:

And Megan Kelly....damn that chick has gone full magat. 

yeah. that happened like 8 years ago.

curmudgeoness said:

seanwon said:

Gern Blansten said:

teskeinc said:

curmudgeoness said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

You can bet that tRump's camp is wishing they had that Vance pick back. I bet they would go with Haley right now given the circumstances.

Interesting argument.  Would she have taken it?

I bet she would; she's every bit as ambitious/ craven as Vance is. She would have been a far more palatable option, too, since her foreign policy views are reality-based, at least.

Let’s be honest if she was picked she would be slandered here by the lefty liberals just like any other candidate. That’s what you do here.

End of the day it doesn’t matter. The 10-20 posters here are voting for an empty chair over Trump. It’s people like me who have voted mostly Democrat in their life that needs a centrist candidate to be better than Trump. That isn’t Kamala. That’s what is going to decide the swing states and ultimately the election.

I don't believe that for a second. Sorry.

Believe it.  I never have and never would vote for Trump.  I have voted for just 1 Republican presidential candidate in my life.  I WASN'T voting for Biden, I will grudgingly vote for Harris.  But not excited about it.  And none of the liberals I know are excited about it, or the direction of the Dem party recently.  To be fair, none of the Cons I know are excited by the republican party in recent years either.  I suppose I am lucky to be surrounded by a lot of normal people, rather than people brainwashed by the far left and right. 

I'm trying to follow the logic here, and I can't.

I'm a centrist -- like, right down the middle, due south of center centrist. Obama was the first Democrat I voted for; Sarah Palin pushed me off of the fence. I still seek out centrist people because I like to consider diverse opinions. 

I'm confused by the use of terminology above. Liberals aren't centrists. I'm not a liberal -- I'm a civil libertarian.

In reality, there are a whole bunch of people who are part of a pro *democracy* (not Democrat -- democracy) movement who are trying to preserve small-d democratic norms and prevent an authoritarian takeover of our country. That movement encompasses everyone from AOC to Liz Cheney, and I defy anyone to call Liz Cheney a liberal to her face.

There is one issue at stake this election, and it's not taxes, or inflation, or the price of gasoline, or drag queen story hour. Do you want to continue to live in a free country? Yes or no? That's the only question.

If we stabilize things, we can get back to arguing about tax policy or federal regulations or whatever. I hope that happens.

And, objectively, an empty chair is better than T---p. I can get in my car right now, drive to Target, and grab the first person I see and they will be better than T---p. The former president is manifestly unfit, as a human, to do anything: I wouldn't hire him to park cars let alone to sit on a corporate board or be POTUS. That has nothing to do with his policies -- he has no policies per se, beyond "what's in it for me?" He's a malignant narcissist and a sociopath who has defrauded people, cheated on his taxes, sexually assaulted women, cheated on his wives, tried to extort other countries, praised murderous tyrants, mocked our military, mishandled a pandemic leading to thousands of excess deaths, lacks empathy, intelligence, and curiosity, is profoundly vain, ignorant, and lazy.  He makes me miss George W Bush and want to come up with a list of nice things to say about W. His own Cabinet members referred to him as a "f---ing moron" and "not so much a person as a collection of terrible traits."

You want to talk small government, lower taxes, fiscal restraint, tough stances against Russia? I'm all ears. Want to hear me say nice things about Republicans? Okay: Mitt Romney was right about Russia! I don't believe for a minute that W is a racist and I think he believed he was doing the right thing in Iraq (even though I vociferously disagree with that decision!). I admire Liz Cheney's courage and devotion to protecting the Constitution!

This isn't about politics. It's about keeping one person from ending our 248 year experiment.

why target, why not walmart....

teskeinc said:

benjs said:

I was thinking about it, and in a way, it's actually not the worst thing that Biden went so far as to get the Trump campaign legitimately thinking he'd stay in. Think of the things that Republicans have attempted to weaponize: cognitive decline and nominee age. Look at the old guy left in the running demonstrating cognitive decline now! Look at the ad spends that have been wasted selling exactly that message, when they can now be rebranded and apply directly to Trump. Add to that the contrast between crime-committer and prosecutor, and I think the underdogs are very clearly Republicans now.

How? There is polling. Focus groups etc. Harris couldn’t even make it to the first primary in 2020. She is very unfavorable like 36% approval as VP. What changed over 72 hours that makes people approve of her? 

How many tRump flags you flying bro?

benjs said:

I was thinking about it, and in a way, it's actually not the worst thing that Biden went so far as to get the Trump campaign legitimately thinking he'd stay in. Think of the things that Republicans have attempted to weaponize: cognitive decline and nominee age. Look at the old guy left in the running demonstrating cognitive decline now! Look at the ad spends that have been wasted selling exactly that message, when they can now be rebranded and apply directly to Trump. Add to that the contrast between crime-committer and prosecutor, and I think the underdogs are very clearly Republicans now.

teskeinc said:

benjs said:

I was thinking about it, and in a way, it's actually not the worst thing that Biden went so far as to get the Trump campaign legitimately thinking he'd stay in. Think of the things that Republicans have attempted to weaponize: cognitive decline and nominee age. Look at the old guy left in the running demonstrating cognitive decline now! Look at the ad spends that have been wasted selling exactly that message, when they can now be rebranded and apply directly to Trump. Add to that the contrast between crime-committer and prosecutor, and I think the underdogs are very clearly Republicans now.

How? There is polling. Focus groups etc. Harris couldn’t even make it to the first primary in 2020. She is very unfavorable like 36% approval as VP. What changed over 72 hours that makes people approve of her? 

What changed? Here's what comes to mind off-hand.

1. After the right's meagre attempts to weaponize age and cognitive decline, only one candidate currently demonstrates that.
2. After the right has been criticizing the "Biden crime family" for months, a prosecutor is now being nominated by Democrats and only one candidate is a convicted criminal.
3. There is no more infighting on the Democrat side between those advocating for progressive vs. traditional politicians - all are unified behind Kamala Harris
4. More demonstrated incompetence from the Republican side increases Democrat will to prevent them from having power
5. Access to Biden funds and campaign infrastructure
6. The fact that you and your ilk are here criticizing her constantly tells me there's Republican fear. I can smell the stench from here.


I know you'd love to show one part of the story in isolation - Harris' favourability ratings - but what matters is how she fares against Trump, not her favourability outright.