Berlin Officially Cancelled

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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    WhyNotSweden said:
    He’s doing paintings, can’t be that sick 🤷‍♀️

    Again, I'm just guessing based on his comment on his post this morning; I have ZERO direct knowledge. That said, have you never had a cold/flu/covid? I'm one of the lucky people who tends to be sick for a few months after a cold, because it turns into pneumonia, and I still have the energy while sick to make myself some oatmeal, take a shower, read a book -- but not to leave the house, run a race, get a workout.

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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,259
    tino_11 said:
    Positive spin, they can’t play the Berlin shows because they need to isolate for 5 days in London to stop the spread of the bug. All of them will be fit and well by Saturday 😃
    Thats the spirit
  • DL136722
    DL136722 Posts: 862
    Just curious, how are the ticket sales for the remaining shows?

    London sales were low/bad but Berlin also didn't sell that great. 

    Ticket sales or lack thereof and sicknesses just a coincidence I guess

    Sucks for all involved, no other way around it 
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  • gotthebottle
    gotthebottle San Diego Posts: 3,868
    BlueLedbetter said:
    Froggie said:
    How sick can he be if he’s drawing and posting on IG?! 
    Maybe just trying to keep away from people?
    GOOD!! that's what they should do
  • Froggie
    Froggie Cork Posts: 240
    BlueLedbetter said:
    Froggie said:
    How sick can he be if he’s drawing and posting on IG?! 
    Maybe just trying to keep away from people?
    Of course. Anything is possible. But I don’t think it would be in good taste to be posting on IG considering the disruption and upset these cancellations cause. I personally think Eddie is quite unwell. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    Froggie said:

     But I don’t think it would be in good taste to be posting on IG considering the disruption and upset these cancellations cause.
    Lol what
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Paul Spencer
    Paul Spencer Posts: 16
    edited July 2024
    DL136722 said:
    Just curious, how are the ticket sales for the remaining shows?

    London sales were low/bad but Berlin also didn't sell that great. 

    Ticket sales or lack thereof and sicknesses just a coincidence I guess

    Sucks for all involved, no other way around it 

    I was thinking about this earlier.
    When Ed's voice went at the first of the two London o2 shows and the second night was cancelled, they rescheduled the second night for a few weeks later but the difference between then and now, is that the the gig was sold out. People have said a couple of page's back, that Springsteen rescheduled his shows but those shows had also sold well.
    Could it be something to do with the promoters insurance, where they don't actually want to reschedule a show that has sold badly and it makes more sense for them financially, to take the insurance pay out and just let the poorly selling gig die a death completely? Obviously it would appear to be better for Ticketmaster, as they won't be paying any of their fees back to the fans, so they in effect, get an opportunity to earn another set of fees the next time the band actually do play in London or Berlin and if the shows had been rescheduled, then this wouldn't be case.
    I'm not suggesting that this is the case, rather, I'm just wondering how much of an effect the poor ticket sales have had on any decision not to reschedule, if any at all?


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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited July 2024
    Ticketmaster doesn’t refund the fees for the cancelled shows? 
  • bigbiggzy
    bigbiggzy Posts: 844
    I’m so sorry gang…. Lose / lose for all involved.
  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,027
    Merkin Baller said:
    Ticketmaster doesn’t refund the fees for the cancelled shows? 
    Unfortunately not
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Weston1283 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Ticketmaster doesn’t refund the fees for the cancelled shows? 
    Unfortunately not
    Holy f. That’s unconscionable. 
  • Froggie
    Froggie Cork Posts: 240
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Froggie said:

     But I don’t think it would be in good taste to be posting on IG considering the disruption and upset these cancellations cause.
    Lol what
    I’d imagine whoever is sick isn’t well enough to be drawing and posting on IG. They would hardly cancel the shows if one of the other band members besides Eddie had a cold. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weston1283 said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Ticketmaster doesn’t refund the fees for the cancelled shows? 
    Unfortunately not
    Holy f. That’s unconscionable. 
    But the gigantic fee is to... be able to service you and make you get the ticket... or whatever... the fee is not part of the value of item you have bought. or something I guess....
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  • benlw86
    benlw86 Posts: 97
    Paul Spencer said:
    DL136722 said:
    Just curious, how are the ticket sales for the remaining shows?

    London sales were low/bad but Berlin also didn't sell that great. 

    Ticket sales or lack thereof and sicknesses just a coincidence I guess

    Sucks for all involved, no other way around it 

    I was thinking about this earlier.
    When Ed's voice went at the first of the two London o2 shows and the second night was cancelled, they rescheduled the second night for a few weeks later but the difference between then and now, is that the the gig was sold out. People have said a couple of page's back, that Springsteen rescheduled his shows but those shows had also sold well.
    Could it be something to do with the promoters insurance, where they don't actually want to reschedule a show that has sold badly and it makes more sense for them financially, to take the insurance pay out and just let the poorly selling gig die a death completely? Obviously it would appear to be better for Ticketmaster, as they won't be paying any of their fees back to the fans, so they in effect, get an opportunity to earn another set of fees the next time the band actually do play in London or Berlin and if the shows had been rescheduled, then this wouldn't be case.
    I'm not suggesting that this is the case, rather, I'm just wondering how much of an effect the poor ticket sales have had on any decision not to reschedule, if any at all?


    It also hopefully confirms to the band to never book a football stadium in UK again. Incidentally the rescheduled 2018 date was bloody brilliant.
  • Vedd Hedd
    Vedd Hedd Posts: 4,633
    reismann said:
    JackD. said:
    Weston1283 said:
    JackD. said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    JackD. said:
    Rescheduling not possible? Waldbühne and Wuhlheide both available after NOS Alive.

    They don‘t want to. This European tour has done more damage to the fanbase than to Ed‘s voice. Everything was cursed and fucked up from the very beginning.
    Didn't they clearly state in the London case that they had scheduling conflicts stopping them from rescheduling. What has arenas being available to do with that?
    Tottenham probably has commitments. Even if availability doesn’t matter, why not postpone indefinitely or for 2025. Have a look how great Springsteen handeled things for the postponed European shows.
    Last time they postponed shows for years, people got mad that the new dates weren’t being booked fast enough so it’s just easier to cancel

    Theres no postponement for 2025 because there’s a good chance Europe won’t get PJ again until 2027/2028 based on how the band is operating now 
    My point is: If they really wanted to make up for the mess they could change plans and come back next year playing anything they‘ve cancelled over the last few years.

    But they don‘t care. I get it.
    Because of the really bad treatment of us 10C members in 6 weeks my membership expires. I am not prepared anymore to pay for a membership where you get a possibility to buy expensive tickets for shows which will be cancelled and not postponed. 
    I fully expect to see you here in 6 weeks.
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  • someonesbrain
    someonesbrain Posts: 35
    edited July 2024
    Merkin Baller said:
    Ticketmaster doesn’t refund the fees for the cancelled shows? 
    Let's wait and see.

    Eventim (in Germany) does/did the same and tries/tried to keep their fees for cancelled shows (while refunding the price on the ticket only). However, since they face a so-called "Musterfeststellungsklage" under German law (some kind of consumer protection class action) in 2023, they have started to (reluctantly) refund the fees in case of a show cancellation (if you tell them that you might consider to take part in the class action... and of course they do it without acknowleding any legal obligations... worked for me in the past in several cases and for my father as well).

    Ticketmaster GmbH (who sold my tickets or acted as an intermediary) are a corporation under German law and my contract should be governed by German law as well. I wait and see how they handle it. If the don't refund my fees (I had 2 orders for every Berlin evening because I bought 10C tix and additional tix for friends and family) I might discuss this consumer protection question with them in more depth. 
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,259
    Vedd Hedd said:
    reismann said:
    JackD. said:
    Weston1283 said:
    JackD. said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    JackD. said:
    Rescheduling not possible? Waldbühne and Wuhlheide both available after NOS Alive.

    They don‘t want to. This European tour has done more damage to the fanbase than to Ed‘s voice. Everything was cursed and fucked up from the very beginning.
    Didn't they clearly state in the London case that they had scheduling conflicts stopping them from rescheduling. What has arenas being available to do with that?
    Tottenham probably has commitments. Even if availability doesn’t matter, why not postpone indefinitely or for 2025. Have a look how great Springsteen handeled things for the postponed European shows.
    Last time they postponed shows for years, people got mad that the new dates weren’t being booked fast enough so it’s just easier to cancel

    Theres no postponement for 2025 because there’s a good chance Europe won’t get PJ again until 2027/2028 based on how the band is operating now 
    My point is: If they really wanted to make up for the mess they could change plans and come back next year playing anything they‘ve cancelled over the last few years.

    But they don‘t care. I get it.
    Because of the really bad treatment of us 10C members in 6 weeks my membership expires. I am not prepared anymore to pay for a membership where you get a possibility to buy expensive tickets for shows which will be cancelled and not postponed. 
    I fully expect to see you here in 6 weeks.
    Tenclub have been a godsend in many ways over the years of touring. To think people would cancel their memberships due to shows being cancelled through illness, or the dynamic pricing model that TM brought in is a bit extreme. Tenclub membership is worth every cent to me.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    pdalowsky said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    reismann said:
    JackD. said:
    Weston1283 said:
    JackD. said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    JackD. said:
    Rescheduling not possible? Waldbühne and Wuhlheide both available after NOS Alive.

    They don‘t want to. This European tour has done more damage to the fanbase than to Ed‘s voice. Everything was cursed and fucked up from the very beginning.
    Didn't they clearly state in the London case that they had scheduling conflicts stopping them from rescheduling. What has arenas being available to do with that?
    Tottenham probably has commitments. Even if availability doesn’t matter, why not postpone indefinitely or for 2025. Have a look how great Springsteen handeled things for the postponed European shows.
    Last time they postponed shows for years, people got mad that the new dates weren’t being booked fast enough so it’s just easier to cancel

    Theres no postponement for 2025 because there’s a good chance Europe won’t get PJ again until 2027/2028 based on how the band is operating now 
    My point is: If they really wanted to make up for the mess they could change plans and come back next year playing anything they‘ve cancelled over the last few years.

    But they don‘t care. I get it.
    Because of the really bad treatment of us 10C members in 6 weeks my membership expires. I am not prepared anymore to pay for a membership where you get a possibility to buy expensive tickets for shows which will be cancelled and not postponed. 
    I fully expect to see you here in 6 weeks.
    Tenclub have been a godsend in many ways over the years of touring. To think people would cancel their memberships due to shows being cancelled through illness, or the dynamic pricing model that TM brought in is a bit extreme. Tenclub membership is worth every cent to me.
    100% agree.

    Situation sucks for all.  I hope whoever is ill returns to health and as quickly as possible.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,895
    Sucks to hear

    I hope everyone is OK and feels 100% soon!

    Sorry to hear for the fans with tickets, especially those who have travelled.  
  • We All Believe
    We All Believe Eastchester, NY Posts: 912
    edited July 2024
    It's an unfortunate situation all around.

    4 shows over the next two weeks.

    I hate to say it, and I sure as hell hope it doesn't happen, but folks should be prepared for these remaining European shows to be cancelled. If multiple band members are that sick, it's unlikely that they'll be at 100% by the 6th. By the time Barcelona comes, it will be a week and a half since the last show. If someone is that sick, it'll take more than 2 weeks just for the symptoms of whatever it is to completely go away, never mind to get back to normal. Getting better is one thing, but getting better enough to run around on stage for 2 and a half hours is something else.

    May your days be long, til kingdom come.

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