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Crowd in the 2008 bootlegs

HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 4,590
edited July 2008 in Given To Fly (live)
I just heard Not For You from VA Beach and theres absolutely NO crowd noise in the track, and it was flipping ridiculous at the show....do all the 2008 bootlegs have minimum crowd noise on the tracks?? This was the only track that i've heard from the official 08 boots
2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,753
    HailHailVitalogy wrote:
    I just heard Not For You from VA Beach and theres absolutely NO crowd noise in the track, and it was flipping ridiculous at the show....do all the 2008 bootlegs have minimum crowd noise on the tracks?? This was the only track that i've heard from the official 08 boots

    the crowd sings the final chorus on Evenflow at MSG 1 and you hear them fine.

    but that crowd was off the hook.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
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    HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 4,590
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    the crowd sings the final chorus on Evenflow at MSG 1 and you hear them fine.

    but that crowd was off the hook.

    good because i ordered that bootleg on cd
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2
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    slug420slug420 Posts: 316
    i think most official boots are like this with less crowd noise. Grab the "unofficial" MSG2 boot that was floating around if you can. EXCELLENT crowd noise IMO...i cant get enough of it
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,753
    HailHailVitalogy wrote:
    good because i ordered that bootleg on cd

    It's a good one
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
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    culot4culot4 Posts: 775
    06 was a lot better.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
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    HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 4,590
    slug420 wrote:
    i think most official boots are like this with less crowd noise. Grab the "unofficial" MSG2 boot that was floating around if you can. EXCELLENT crowd noise IMO...i cant get enough of it

    i got that...im listening to it right now actually...I LOVE IT way more than an official bootleg, i just wish there was an MSG1 version of it floating around

    But my favorite tracks because of the crowd for MSG2 are
    Release, Garden, Marker, Even Flow, STATE OF LOVE AND TRUST, DTE, Go, WMA!!...ahhh its all good
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2
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    blueredgrayblueredgray Posts: 25
    I've heard about 4 boots and the crowd is only really audible between songs. Sounds like they're playing in an empty warehouse with only half the instruments plugged into the amps. No real atmosphere. Anyways, I'm not an audio geek and music is subjective, etc. but the quality of the recording or mixing on these is just terrible to my ears. The guitars seem to come in and out on any heavy, fast song.
    2003 - Champaign (first show), Chicago, Uniondale, MSG II, State College, Alpine Valley; 2004 - Toledo, Grand Rapids; 2005 - Kitchener, London.
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    culot4culot4 Posts: 775
    blueredgray wrote:
    I've heard about 4 boots and the crowd is only really audible between songs. Sounds like they're playing in an empty warehouse with only half the instruments plugged into the amps. No real atmosphere. Anyways, I'm not an audio geek and music is subjective, etc. but the quality of the recording or mixing on these is just terrible to my ears. The guitars seem to come in and out on any heavy, fast song.

    No its like they're playing on top of a 10 story building and the crowd is down on the street.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
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    mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,180
    slug420 wrote:
    i think most official boots are like this with less crowd noise. Grab the "unofficial" MSG2 boot that was floating around if you can. EXCELLENT crowd noise IMO...i cant get enough of it

    I've already ordered the CD for MSG 2, where might one find the unofficial?
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    blueredgrayblueredgray Posts: 25
    culot4 wrote:
    No its like they're playing on top of a 10 story building and the crowd is down on the street.

    You are correct. That is exactly what they sound like.
    2003 - Champaign (first show), Chicago, Uniondale, MSG II, State College, Alpine Valley; 2004 - Toledo, Grand Rapids; 2005 - Kitchener, London.
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    Stephen FlowStephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    I'm listening to msg1 right now, the crowd noise seems a bit muted.... I hate to complain but this is fucking piss poor mixing... the guitar work is disgusting and whoever mixed it makes the crowd come in loud only when they sing part of the song, which is fucking stupid.
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    HailHailVitalogyHailHailVitalogy Posts: 4,590
    Stephen Flow wrote:
    I'm listening to msg1 right now, the crowd noise seems a bit muted.

    damnit!
    2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2
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    slug420slug420 Posts: 316
    HailHailVitalogy wrote:
    i got that...im listening to it right now actually...I LOVE IT way more than an official bootleg, i just wish there was an MSG1 version of it floating around

    But my favorite tracks because of the crowd for MSG2 are
    Release, Garden, Marker, Even Flow, STATE OF LOVE AND TRUST, DTE, Go, WMA!!...ahhh its all good

    Release is SO GOOD!!!! I listen to track 1 (just the opening PJ coming ot the stage music) and release over and over again. LOVE IT

    for mookieblalock the link WAS:
    http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=516254
    not sure if it still works

    i also WIIIISH they had this version of a bootleg for MSG1 because MSG1 love reign over me was GREAAAAAT
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    MegaphoneWhisperMegaphoneWhisper Posts: 219
    culot4 wrote:
    No its like they're playing on top of a 10 story building and the crowd is down on the street.


    That's it!
    I have been trying to find a way to explain it and you nailed it.
    Gets up, lights a cigarette he's grown to hate
    Thinking if he can't sleep, how will he ever dream?

    But his heart don't seem to roam......
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    Stephen FlowStephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    culot4 wrote:
    No its like they're playing on top of a 10 story building and the crowd is down on the street.

    I agree... it's really sad... it's almost like someone just took protools and clipped out or muted down the levels or frequency of the crowd (for when the crowd isn't participating in the song itself).

    Then of course the encore break sounds pretty normal.
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    culot4culot4 Posts: 775
    Stephen Flow wrote:
    I agree... it's really sad... it's almost like someone just took protools and clipped out or muted down the levels (for when the crowd isn't participating) all frequency the crowd is on.

    Then of course the encore break sounds pretty normal.

    In between songs I mean you can hear the crowd, but when they're cued to start singing along during a song its really hard to hear. Thats actually the part of the bootlegs that I really love. I don't know, I'm tired of complaining about this. They are what they are. It just sucks they couldn't capture the crowd in any of the ones I've heard when they sounded awesome two years ago.
    Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
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    Stephen FlowStephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    culot4 wrote:
    In between songs I mean you can hear the crowd, but when they're cued to start singing along during a song its really hard to hear. Thats actually the part of the bootlegs that I really love. I don't know, I'm tired of complaining about this. They are what they are. It just sucks they couldn't capture the crowd in any of the ones I've heard when they sounded awesome two years ago.

    I dunno what happened to basecamp, those bootlegs were stellar, I'm glad to be able to get these shows, but I'll only be buying the shows I went to and trading/downloading the rest.
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    matt770matt770 Posts: 134
    I agree, I can't listen to these.

    Just listening to Philly '05, Crown of Thorns...now, this is a bootleg. ;)
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    mookieblalockmookieblalock Posts: 3,180
    slug420 wrote:
    for mookieblalock the link WAS:
    http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=516254
    not sure if it still works

    i also WIIIISH they had this version of a bootleg for MSG1 because MSG1 love reign over me was GREAAAAAT


    Thanks Bro!
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