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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    marumaruko said:
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

    The whole point is that majority of this community is seeing many many shows each tour, myself included, because of the unknown set lists. For example, using the band as an excuse to go to Europe or Australia. The incentive now to travel to get uniqueness has dwindled….which eventually leads to the band losing money. 

    Oh wow, the entitlement of the traveling fans. Sure, complaining is an option, but not going is also. No one asks you guys to go out of your way to buy tickets to all the shows. 
    Every show will give you something different, but they really like this record and that's why they are playing the hell out of it. It's great to see. Think the last time this really happened was during the Avocado tour. 
    Overall, I think if it comes to the point that you as a person see yourself as a vital part of a live concert when you are not part of the band, then you are taking it too far. People will go, people will enjoy, you going and not enjoying because of setlist variety is doing yourself more of a disservice than to the band. 
    Damn, I know groupies were a thing a few decades ago, but Pearl Jam seem to have the worst kind of groupies.
    Easy to say in hindsight. Tickets go on sale in February, first 4 shows in May, and now it’s “well why did you buy tickets?”. Like we were able to predict the predictability? After 2023 I didn’t think this is where we would be. If the band came out and said 70% of each show will be the same, they wouldn’t have sold as many tickets. Let’s face it, the band is lucky to have us traveling fans. Sorry if that’s “entitled” but it is true. 

    Myself and the other fans showing concerns about the set list predictability never said we wouldn’t enjoy the show. We’ve said multiple times we are still going to rock out, just might change the amount of times we rock out.

    The U2 comment - I wouldn’t go see them 8x. With their set lists, I would only want to see them once. And that’s fine! Springsteen was very predictable for the first time in a while. My dad would usually go to 5-10 shows a tour for his set list variety. He went to two. 

    MSG 2022 was not a great set list whatsoever for the “entitled traveling fan”, but the crowd and atmosphere made it one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. MSG specifically, we are traveling for the crowd not the set list. 

    Also, these “unique songs” aren’t very unique. Present Tense, Not For You, Last Exit, Immortality, Wishlist, Garden….these have all been staples. NAIS, In Hiding, and Red Mosquito maybe to a lesser extent, but we did always get them a good amount of times per tour. “oh wow they played Once!”. 
    “Like we were able to predict the predictability? After 2023 I didn’t think this is where we would be”

    Why?  They told us things were changing and 

     “but they really like this record and that's why they are playing the hell out of it. It's great to see!”

    Is probably correct.  Doing as they wish, as they’ve earned, as they’re entitled to do.  It’s like when us old folks decide to drive however we want, entitled.  
  • logan5ive
    logan5ive Dallas, TX Posts: 519
    The beauty, exhiliration, and power of seeing a Pearl Jam concert has always been, in large part, the unknown. The lights go down and everything to come is a mystery. The band has always operated as such up until this tour. About 1/3 of the set for these shows is, so far, known in advance.

    For those of us who have travelled to and seen numerous shows, myself included with 78 since 1993, that mystery, I would argue, is the fundamental reason. It's essential to the band's identity. A characteristic that they have created, acknowledged, cultivated, and benefited from throughout its existence.

    I love the band. I love the new album. I'll know I'll enjoy both of the Seattle shows later this month...from I've seen and heard in youtube videos, they look and sound great. But...I'll be secretly hoping I don't know a 1/3 of the set beforehand.  
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,076
    logan5ive said:
    The beauty, exhiliration, and power of seeing a Pearl Jam concert has always been, in large part, the unknown. The lights go down and everything to come is a mystery. The band has always operated as such up until this tour. About 1/3 of the set for these shows is, so far, known in advance.

    For those of us who have travelled to and seen numerous shows, myself included with 78 since 1993, that mystery, I would argue, is the fundamental reason. It's essential to the band's identity. A characteristic that they have created, acknowledged, cultivated, and benefited from throughout its existence.

    I love the band. I love the new album. I'll know I'll enjoy both of the Seattle shows later this month...from I've seen and heard in youtube videos, they look and sound great. But...I'll be secretly hoping I don't know a 1/3 of the set beforehand.  
    Okay Attenborough. Let's put down the thesaurus, come back to the reality that you're going to a rock concert. 

    One that is promoting a new album. The concert tour's identity of promoting Dark Matter has been created, acknowledged,  blah blah throughout it's existence. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
    vedpunk said:
    Opinions and judgment should really be reserved for people that actually went to the show.  The rest is just noise. Nobody cares if you decided to not buy tickets to future shows based on what you read on the setlist thread. Lol
    Typically I agree with this sentiment. You can't look at a list of songs in order and properly evaluate how the show was.

    But that's not the critique here. For the last 30 years you've had no idea what you were going to hear walking into a Pearl Jam show (save for "likely Even Flow at some point"). We now have 4 shows in a row where about 1/3 of the set is constant down to the placement. That's a big change.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
    MS4677 said:
    I certainly would NOT recommend going to a U2 show then with only 2 rotating songs each tour over the past 3 decades.  Maybe Eddie going to the sphere show and one too many convesations with Bono contaminated him? Video sceens, bells and whistles, more predictable setlists!? 
    This is true for most bands. I also don't see most bands more than once on a tour for this reason. Pearl Jam has always been a rare exception.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,554
    vedpunk said:
    It’s another case of PJ First World Problems.  How dare they only play 12-15 unique songs from one show to another.  That was not my expectations! Lol
    What sorts of things do you think people are evaluating before spending $175 on a concert ticket?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,437
    Ohana will be the shows to be at this year. All the setlist complaints will be squashed at those 2 shows I reckon.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 11,793
    Maybe no screen there.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,601
    45 minute DTE at both Ohana shows. Director's cut of the music video will be shown on the screens. No one under 17 will be admitted without parent or guardian. You've been warned. 
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  • vito
    vito Chicago Posts: 2,029
    HailHailVitalogy said:
    I think a bunch of us are excited for the shows we are going to this year, and seeing these sets we already know what’s coming for future shows. We’ve never had this experience before as fans. No one on here who’s got issues with the set list has ever said “must be a bad show”; our critique is solely on the songs played and in what order.
    We’re getting excited over a flubbed Faithful and Garden, the latter which was a staple a year ago. Just refresh your memory and look at the 2023 set lists, they were perfect after all the bitching about shorter shows. I mean fuck, we got Tremor and Marker in the same main set.
    I’m going to Vegas and I’m excited for the first 4 songs and the 1 or 2 songs mid-set that change. Otherwise I already know what to expect. Never had that feeling before, but still going to give my 110% in the crowd as a fan. 
    Well said🖋
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  • vito
    vito Chicago Posts: 2,029
    PJNB said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us
    If these sets are here to stay that is exactly what is going to start happening with the travelling fan. 
    Tried to say this last week and I said it nicely but, you can't without others thinking you're complaining and it will happen. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    jimjam1982 said:
    MS4677 said:
    I certainly would NOT recommend going to a U2 show then with only 2 rotating songs each tour over the past 3 decades.  Maybe Eddie going to the sphere show and one too many convesations with Bono contaminated him? Video sceens, bells and whistles, more predictable setlists!? 
    Just like tool, or green day, or metallica, or guns n roses, or foo fighters it's a one show per tour band.  Pearl Jam is not a one show per tour band, has never been, I would have said never will be but here we are.

    They still aren't a one show per tour band. Not even close.
    Also, someone said the majority of this community travels to multiple shows. That is not even close to being true. The majority of pearl jam fans, including within the 10C membership, don't travel to multiple shows. Most just go to one that's closest to them. Many can't see any at all.
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  • Loujoe
    Loujoe Posts: 11,793
    JimmyV said:
    45 minute DTE at both Ohana shows. Director's cut of the music video will be shown on the screens. No one under 17 will be admitted without parent or guardian. You've been warned. 
    Would like them to turn that into an of the earth type jam. I double dog dare them.
  • LizosaurusRex
    LizosaurusRex Bend, OR Posts: 53
    RE: FAITHFULL flub

    I suspect one of them had a down-tuned guitar and they had to roll with it. It really sounded weird in a different key. Did not like. The look of confusion on my face could have been seen from the ISS. It was surprisingly hard to follow!
  • LizosaurusRex
    LizosaurusRex Bend, OR Posts: 53
    I can sense that all you folks are grieving a future that you feel has been taken from you, i.e., the PJ show(s) you had gotten used to and were looking forward to. 

    Take my word, the new format is definitely alright--the guys are ON FIRE 🔥. You will have a good time, unless you go into it very sour. I hope you all have enough time to grieve that by the time your show comes around you're excited again. 😊❤️
  • Getoutofmyfuckinface
    Getoutofmyfuckinface Posts: 188
    edited May 2024
    The band is really proud of dark matter which is why we will hear alot of it during this tour.  In fact id be surpised if few of these songs dont become staples at live shows in the future. The album seems to have rejuvenated the band i think we should be thankful for that especially after the last album which imo was terrible. I kind of figured we would get Waiting for Stevie with it being Stevie Wonders bday, hell Ed even sang Happy birthday to him, personally I have no problem with the 6-7 DM songs they played in sac they sounded really good especially the drums-band was on point for all of them. I am hoping they play something special at one of the nights in seattle. Sadly they fell flat on a few 10 songs but overall stellar performance by the band. Mccready went off with a few of his trademark mind blowing solos and behind the neck guitar playing. Really good renditions of Porch,Corduroy and Betterman..
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Getoutofmyfuckinface said:
    The band is really proud of dark matter which is why we will hear alot of it during this tour.  In fact id be surpised if few of these songs dont become staples at live shows in the future. The album seems to have rejuvenated the band i think we should be thankful for that especially after the last album which imo was terrible. I kind of figured we would get Waiting for Stevie with it being Stevie Wonders bday, hell Ed even sang Happy birthday to him, personally I have no problem with the 6-7 DM songs they played in sac they sounded really good especially the drums-band was on point for all of them. I am hoping they play something special at one of the nights in seattle. Sadly they fell flat on a few 10 songs but overall stellar performance by the band. Mccready went off with a few of his trademark mind blowing solos and behind the neck guitar playing. Really good renditions of Porch,Corduroy and Betterman..

    Running is SO GOOD live! That could be played at every show now and forever. They have certain songs that are "really good" on the album and next level awesome live, and Running is one of those songs.
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  • Jaycee_C
    Jaycee_C Posts: 6
    Anyone else think setting sun acoustic as a duo, Ed and Stone or Mike, would be even better than it already is?  Sorta like the last few chords of the song. DM is a top 6 album already IMO. Can’t wait to see them again. 
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  • devonfz
    devonfz Posts: 181
    edited May 2024
    Come on let’s be honest you’re playing basically the same songs every night maybe a couple on the slow openers are being a variety but the rest of the show is basically the same alive porch do the evolution given to fly, elderly, etc.. my complaint is there is 60 or so songs that they appear to never gonna play again, except for maybe once a TOUR at the most and even then they’ll probably fuck it up M
  • Getoutofmyfuckinface
    Getoutofmyfuckinface Posts: 188
    edited May 2024
    devonfz said:
    Come on let’s be honest you’re playing basically the same songs every night maybe a couple on the slow openers are being a variety but the rest of the show is basically the same alive porch do the evolution given to fly, elderly, etc.. my complaint is there is 60 or so songs that they appear to never gonna play again, except for maybe once a TOUR at the most and even then they’ll probably fuck it up M
    I see what your saying but in all fairness its still early in the tour. Id be surprised if we dont get more variation (dark matter stuff excluded) going froward. The real test will be the 2 night stops coming up here in vegas and seattle. Lets just see what they have in store for us. 

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