*** SACRAMENTO - 2024 SETLIST THREAD ***

PJNB

Gern Blansten said:

Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

If these sets are here to stay that is exactly what is going to start happening with the travelling fan. 

CantKeepmedown

Yeah, judging by the tone of the board, tickets should be plentiful moving forward. No need to see multiple shows. Good news for my friends who got shut out and are still looking for tickets. 

Weston1283

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

If these sets are here to stay that is exactly what is going to start happening with the travelling fan. 

I think the move is to prioritize the "non album" tours if you are going for variety and rarities.  I have a hard time blaming them for the current sets since this is advertised as the "Dark Matter" tour.  I expect the current format to stay through 2025 at least, but hopefully they tour in 2026/2027 before the next album and revisit some of the 2000s albums.

Or, if they want to keep the current format forever, then that's fine too.  But I wish they would play one weekend or two night stand per year labeled as "Evening with Pearl Jam" where they play a traditional show.  Just once per year, give the crazies a reason to travel for a show they know will be better in their eyes than a regular tour show. 

pjl44

Gern Blansten said:

Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

Yeah I mean that's the subtext. I have no idea whether it matters or not. Probably regionally but it's another factor on top of ticket prices.

HailHailVitalogy

Gern Blansten said:

Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

Everything the band does isn’t perfect, and as fans who have spent tens of thousands of dollars, I think we can nitpick a little. There’s plenty of non-northeast tickets available, and more drops coming. Also don’t block off back of the stage if tickets are an issue. And the “rest of us” are probably complaining about $199 a ticket. 

The whole point is that majority of this community is seeing many many shows each tour, myself included, because of the unknown set lists. For example, using the band as an excuse to go to Europe or Australia. The incentive now to travel to get uniqueness has dwindled….which eventually leads to the band losing money. 

Last year I landed back in Denver from both Chicago and Fort Worth shos. I was sitting on the runway in Denver after landing and I booked a flight to Austin 2 because I felt like I couldn’t miss what they were doing. It was fascinating to know all bets are off on any given night. Right now that is not the case…except getting Alone?

PJNB

Weston1283 said:

PJNB said:

Gern Blansten said:

Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

If these sets are here to stay that is exactly what is going to start happening with the travelling fan. 

I think the move is to prioritize the "non album" tours if you are going for variety and rarities.  I have a hard time blaming them for the current sets since this is advertised as the "Dark Matter" tour.  I expect the current format to stay through 2025 at least, but hopefully they tour in 2026/2027 before the next album and revisit some of the 2000s albums.

Or, if they want to keep the current format forever, then that's fine too.  But I wish they would play one weekend or two night stand per year labeled as "Evening with Pearl Jam" where they play a traditional show.  Just once per year, give the crazies a reason to travel for a show they know will be better in their eyes than a regular tour show. 

It's not just the fact its an album tour. It is the fact that 30% of the show is already known right to what spot in the set the songs are coming on. On top of that we have the usual hits in their usual spots too mixing some in and out each night. That leaves really only a small portion of the show to be open for something we are that we are not in the know of what is next. In the past we were spoiled I guess with around 90% of the show being unknown. 

They always had a formula in the past even with album tours. This is something completely different. I am not expecting 33 plus songs like we got in 2013 but I was also not expecting to know what songs where popping right when that song number came up. Takes a lot of the surprise that a lot of us always enjoyed from the show. 


Also this is only 4 shows into a long (for them) tour this year. That also does not mean we can not discuss it as it happens openly. 

JimmyV

I went to three shows on the Gigaton tours and only heard five songs from the album in total. That was disappointing. That they are loading up with Dark Matter this time around isn't necessarily a negative for me. I get that the same songs in the same places each night is a change. 

HailHailVitalogy

Agreed. Hoping Seattle gets a little weird, and come September we have a new format. Otherwise I’m not really stressing about Philly tickets as much as I was before. 

PJNB

HailHailVitalogy said:

Gern Blansten said:

Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

Everything the band does isn’t perfect, and as fans who have spent tens of thousands of dollars, I think we can nitpick a little. There’s plenty of non-northeast tickets available, and more drops coming. Also don’t block off back of the stage if tickets are an issue. And the “rest of us” are probably complaining about $199 a ticket. 

The whole point is that majority of this community is seeing many many shows each tour, myself included, because of the unknown set lists. For example, using the band as an excuse to go to Europe or Australia. The incentive now to travel to get uniqueness has dwindled….which eventually leads to the band losing money. 

Last year I landed back in Denver from both Chicago and Fort Worth shos. I was sitting on the runway in Denver after landing and I booked a flight to Austin 2 because I felt like I couldn’t miss what they were doing. It was fascinating to know all bets are off on any given night. Right now that is not the case…except getting Alone?

For anyone to think this post is whining or bitching or entitled I am not sure what to say. 

It is an honest take from someone that mirrors what a lot of us traveling fans are feeling while looking at the sets so far. 

I have not been to a single show yet. If I went to the first 4 shows maybe I would be saying it does not matter at all and the shows are still fantastic. But as someone that is seeing a record number of shows this year for myself(travel already full booked sorry cant get my tickets ) I am definitely watching the variety of sets so far. 

RedMosquitoSmile28

HailHailVitalogy said:

I think a bunch of us are excited for the shows we are going to this year, and seeing these sets we already know what’s coming for future shows. We’ve never had this experience before as fans. No one on here who’s got issues with the set list has ever said “must be a bad show”; our critique is solely on the songs played and in what order.
We’re getting excited over a flubbed Faithful and Garden, the latter which was a staple a year ago. Just refresh your memory and look at the 2023 set lists, they were perfect after all the bitching about shorter shows. I mean fuck, we got Tremor and Marker in the same main set.
I’m going to Vegas and I’m excited for the first 4 songs and the 1 or 2 songs mid-set that change. Otherwise I already know what to expect. Never had that feeling before, but still going to give my 110% in the crowd as a fan. 

This is very much where I am at. I have been to 3.5 hour, nearly 40 song shows, and honestly some of the best shows I have been to were in 2022 and 23. Saint Paul 2 main set could stand up to any show I have been to (the encore was a little basic), and Fort Worth 1, while had circumstances, was honestly amazing. The shorter shows in a way made them better. I got so many songs I have never heard live before last year. Now I'm not really counting on any.

Every new year they tour I say, I am going to control myself this year. Then I get six shows. I am really trying to keep an open mind on knowing where about a quarter of the songs are going to be and what they are, but I am having a tough time wrapping my mind around it. I know we are spoiled in that sense, but that not knowing is such a huge part of the draw and traveling and spending money. I have a kid who is a huge Taylor Swift fan and he would see her any chance he got, and he dies for those two surprise songs and knows all the rest. I told my wife last night if Swift fans can do that, we can handle knowing a quarter of the set and hopefully be surprised by the rest.

I do like some things they are doing. Porch and Smile before the end for example are interesting. But after all these experiences still can't wrap my head around the rest. Even the Dark Matter stuff, I want to hear it all, but having the same four songs in a row every night limits that tremendously. 

I have both Vegas too and I am greatly looking forward to it. But I am looking forward to Vegas as much as anything, and in the past Pearl Jam has been more of the focus. I still know I will enjoy the crap out of these shows, though. After that I have Chicago and Ohana. I am totally on the fence about Chicago at this point. I want to see where it goes and maybe the stadium shows will be different. This is a lot of complaining and I have said several times I want to see where it goes and how I feel. Hopefully Vegas blows me away and that's that. 

Loujoe

Gern Blansten said:

Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

True. I stopped. Sorry PJ. Sure they miss me. Still want to chase them down for picks and autographs.

Weston1283

RedMosquitoSmile28 said:

HailHailVitalogy said:

I think a bunch of us are excited for the shows we are going to this year, and seeing these sets we already know what’s coming for future shows. We’ve never had this experience before as fans. No one on here who’s got issues with the set list has ever said “must be a bad show”; our critique is solely on the songs played and in what order.
We’re getting excited over a flubbed Faithful and Garden, the latter which was a staple a year ago. Just refresh your memory and look at the 2023 set lists, they were perfect after all the bitching about shorter shows. I mean fuck, we got Tremor and Marker in the same main set.
I’m going to Vegas and I’m excited for the first 4 songs and the 1 or 2 songs mid-set that change. Otherwise I already know what to expect. Never had that feeling before, but still going to give my 110% in the crowd as a fan. 

This is very much where I am at. I have been to 3.5 hour, nearly 40 song shows, and honestly some of the best shows I have been to were in 2022 and 23. Saint Paul 2 main set could stand up to any show I have been to (the encore was a little basic), and Fort Worth 1, while had circumstances, was honestly amazing. The shorter shows in a way made them better. I got so many songs I have never heard live before last year. Now I'm not really counting on any.

Every new year they tour I say, I am going to control myself this year. Then I get six shows. I am really trying to keep an open mind on knowing where about a quarter of the songs are going to be and what they are, but I am having a tough time wrapping my mind around it. I know we are spoiled in that sense, but that not knowing is such a huge part of the draw and traveling and spending money. I have a kid who is a huge Taylor Swift fan and he would see her any chance he got, and he dies for those two surprise songs and knows all the rest. I told my wife last night if Swift fans can do that, we can handle knowing a quarter of the set and hopefully be surprised by the rest.

I do like some things they are doing. Porch and Smile before the end for example are interesting. But after all these experiences still can't wrap my head around the rest. Even the Dark Matter stuff, I want to hear it all, but having the same four songs in a row every night limits that tremendously. 

I have both Vegas too and I am greatly looking forward to it. But I am looking forward to Vegas as much as anything, and in the past Pearl Jam has been more of the focus. I still know I will enjoy the crap out of these shows, though. After that I have Chicago and Ohana. I am totally on the fence about Chicago at this point. I want to see where it goes and maybe the stadium shows will be different. This is a lot of complaining and I have said several times I want to see where it goes and how I feel. Hopefully Vegas blows me away and that's that. 

Yeah, I am going to Vegas more than I am going to Pearl Jam this week.  After the Indy show cancellation last year, I decided that I am generally only traveling to shows where I am OK getting stranded if the show cancels lol.  If Vegas shows weren't happening, I would be holding out for the drive-able shows this fall only.

RedMosquitoSmile28

Weston1283 said:

RedMosquitoSmile28 said:

HailHailVitalogy said:

I think a bunch of us are excited for the shows we are going to this year, and seeing these sets we already know what’s coming for future shows. We’ve never had this experience before as fans. No one on here who’s got issues with the set list has ever said “must be a bad show”; our critique is solely on the songs played and in what order.
We’re getting excited over a flubbed Faithful and Garden, the latter which was a staple a year ago. Just refresh your memory and look at the 2023 set lists, they were perfect after all the bitching about shorter shows. I mean fuck, we got Tremor and Marker in the same main set.
I’m going to Vegas and I’m excited for the first 4 songs and the 1 or 2 songs mid-set that change. Otherwise I already know what to expect. Never had that feeling before, but still going to give my 110% in the crowd as a fan. 

This is very much where I am at. I have been to 3.5 hour, nearly 40 song shows, and honestly some of the best shows I have been to were in 2022 and 23. Saint Paul 2 main set could stand up to any show I have been to (the encore was a little basic), and Fort Worth 1, while had circumstances, was honestly amazing. The shorter shows in a way made them better. I got so many songs I have never heard live before last year. Now I'm not really counting on any.

Every new year they tour I say, I am going to control myself this year. Then I get six shows. I am really trying to keep an open mind on knowing where about a quarter of the songs are going to be and what they are, but I am having a tough time wrapping my mind around it. I know we are spoiled in that sense, but that not knowing is such a huge part of the draw and traveling and spending money. I have a kid who is a huge Taylor Swift fan and he would see her any chance he got, and he dies for those two surprise songs and knows all the rest. I told my wife last night if Swift fans can do that, we can handle knowing a quarter of the set and hopefully be surprised by the rest.

I do like some things they are doing. Porch and Smile before the end for example are interesting. But after all these experiences still can't wrap my head around the rest. Even the Dark Matter stuff, I want to hear it all, but having the same four songs in a row every night limits that tremendously. 

I have both Vegas too and I am greatly looking forward to it. But I am looking forward to Vegas as much as anything, and in the past Pearl Jam has been more of the focus. I still know I will enjoy the crap out of these shows, though. After that I have Chicago and Ohana. I am totally on the fence about Chicago at this point. I want to see where it goes and maybe the stadium shows will be different. This is a lot of complaining and I have said several times I want to see where it goes and how I feel. Hopefully Vegas blows me away and that's that. 

Yeah, I am going to Vegas more than I am going to Pearl Jam this week.  After the Indy show cancellation last year, I decided that I am generally only traveling to shows where I am OK getting stranded if the show cancels lol.  If Vegas shows weren't happening, I would be holding out for the drive-able shows this fall only.

I worried about that with the Fort Worth shows immediately after last year. Still went, and honestly Fort Worth was a pretty fun place, and obviously the shows happened. I had Vegas two years ago and found out at the airport. But it was Vegas. All that definitely impacted where I tried this year. All three are worth traveling to outside of PJ. 

vedpunk

Opinions and judgment should really be reserved for people that actually went to the show.  The rest is just noise. Nobody cares if you decided to not buy tickets to future shows based on what you read on the setlist thread. Lol

JimmyV

vedpunk said:

Opinions and judgment should really be reserved for people that actually went to the show.  The rest is just noise.

This is a setlist thread. It is specifically for people who aren't at the show. The fan view thread is there for people who were. 

Indifference71

HailHailVitalogy said:

I think a bunch of us are excited for the shows we are going to this year, and seeing these sets we already know what’s coming for future shows. We’ve never had this experience before as fans. No one on here who’s got issues with the set list has ever said “must be a bad show”; our critique is solely on the songs played and in what order.
We’re getting excited over a flubbed Faithful and Garden, the latter which was a staple a year ago. Just refresh your memory and look at the 2023 set lists, they were perfect after all the bitching about shorter shows. I mean fuck, we got Tremor and Marker in the same main set.
I’m going to Vegas and I’m excited for the first 4 songs and the 1 or 2 songs mid-set that change. Otherwise I already know what to expect. Never had that feeling before, but still going to give my 110% in the crowd as a fan. 

Well said.  PJ becoming predictable isn't something I ever expected to see.  Knowing exactly what to expect at certain points in the set is definitely going to be strange but I'm still going to have a great time Saturday night in Vegas.

jimjam1982

4 shows in the formula is set at least for the rest of leg 1...

4 slots at the start for a chance at some slower/rarer songs.  Even then it's more often then not the same 20 songs on rotation/mixed up. You can damn well bet Vegas has openers like HTI/Sometimes/Of The Girl.  They only do so many openers lately.  So the fact you can narrow down the next two shows to 5 or less possible songs is sad.

You have potentially 2 slots in the rest of the set for a lost dog or deep cut from a studio track that is more mid-tempo / faster.  One in the encore and one after Dark Matter.  At half the shows they aren't even doing this and you just get more of the usual. These are just potential slots.

9 DM slots.
1 DTE slot

2 slots for some of the medium tempo / popular songs that aren't necessarily hits - you know your Garden/Red Mosquito variety

7 slots for the usual suspects

If this is what they want to do that is fine, bands choice. 

Show 1 showed a lot of promise, and each setlist is progressively less exciting.  

I'm looking forward to wrapping up Leg1 in Las Vegas. Mainly because I think 5/18 has a lot of potential for something for Chris. At this point it's just an expense that I can't get out of. Fucking sad they are doing this shit after 33 years of mixing it up.  All that talk about wanting to play different stuff and mixing it up on Sirius XM - that's just basically a paid advertisement to drum up hype and sell tickets and not back it up.

I'm on the fence of dumping my Philly/Chicago tickets and just wrapping up with Fenway for the pure fact that I need to see Fenway.

Maybe it's just the west coast treatment.  They did this shit in 2022 for the first leg out west.  When they finally got to Europe and the East Coast they finally played some great shows.  If so it really sucks that the west coast cities get all the greatest hits shows. They can't even sell tickets to casual fans out west (exception probably will be Seattle) as none of these have been sold out with plenty of tickets on ticketmaster day of. Maybe they should be catering to actual fans. It kind of forces anyone who lives out west to travel east to get some variety and that is a tough pill to swallow.

bootleg

On the positive side sets are averaging 25 songs.  That seems like pretty good number at this stage.  And the new album is great, and songs are sounding great from what I can tell so far.  But the set list predictability is a bit of a disappointment.  That was always part of the PJ magic is that show to show, song to song you never knew what you were going to get.  And it’s not really that the same songs from Dark Matter are being played at every show, I would expect 6-7 DM songs a night.  That’s why people hit multiple shows so there’s a better chance that over all of the shows that you catch hopefully all of the album.  But at least mix up the order and to some extent which songs a little bit. The set list predictability I think will ultimately start to have an impact on how many shows people decide to attend.  I’m pumped to be seeing PJ in Seattle.  I want to hear the DM songs and I don’t care if I hear most of them twice, but after that and Baltimore I may be less inclined to travel to see more shows on top of that because the chances of seeing something unique will start to diminish.

vedpunk

  This is a setlist thread. It is specifically for people who aren't at the show. The fan view thread is there for people who were. 

Fair enough.  I just think it's difficult to criticize a setlist without actually being at the concert to actually hear the songs and see how they were performed, especially with all the new visuals and production.  

PJNB

vedpunk said:

  This is a setlist thread. It is specifically for people who aren't at the show. The fan view thread is there for people who were. 

Fair enough.  I just think it's difficult to criticize a setlist without actually being at the concert to actually hear the songs and see how they were performed, especially with all the new visuals and production.  

If so then the same should be said about talking positively about it. Which seems a bit crazy right?