*** SACRAMENTO - 2024 SETLIST THREAD ***

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  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    vedpunk said:
    It’s another case of PJ First World Problems.  How dare they only play 12-15 unique songs from one show to another.  That was not my expectations! Lol
    Where else exactly is there to discuss PJ First World problems? No one here is at “how dare they” level, that is a strawman 
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,205
    vedpunk said:
    It’s another case of PJ First World Problems.  How dare they only play 12-15 unique songs from one show to another.  That was not my expectations! Lol
    What makes you think this change shouldn’t be something that fans discuss on a fan board about the setlist? 
  • vedpunk
    vedpunk Posts: 960
    nicknyr15 said:
    vedpunk said:
    It’s another case of PJ First World Problems.  How dare they only play 12-15 unique songs from one show to another.  That was not my expectations! Lol
    What makes you think this change shouldn’t be something that fans discuss on a fan board about the setlist? 
    Absolutely discuss it but not belabor it.   The obsession in pointing it out is exhausting. 
  • marumaruko
    marumaruko Posts: 410
    Also just to add. 4 shows in they already played 60 different songs. There is no band aside from perhaps Modest Mouse (and they are more indie) on a scale of Pearl Jam to give you that. 

    Btw, please go and see Modest Mouse. One of the most underrated rock bands out there. They are fantastic most nights. 
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    2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
    2007 - Munich
    2013 - Calgary
    2014 - Vienna
    2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
    2018 - Padova
    2022 - Frankfurt, Krakow, Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto  

  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    60 different songs through four shows? Could have been 62 or 63 without so much DTE. :wink:
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  • MS4677
    MS4677 Posts: 67
    nicknyr15 said:
    MS4677 said:
    I certainly would NOT recommend going to a U2 show then with only 2 rotating songs each tour over the past 3 decades.  Maybe Eddie going to the sphere show and one too many convesations with Bono contaminated him? Video sceens, bells and whistles, more predictable setlists!? 
    It’s about expectations. I saw all 8 shows at msg in 2015 knowing u2 doesn’t mix up sets. I had the time of my life. Pearl have set a certain expectation so when there’s a huge change you should expect fans to discuss it respectfully 
    Very true. Big U2 fan my entire life and would attend many shows each tour. The current change may be hard for some to digest but need to keep some perspective I think 
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Also just to add. 4 shows in they already played 60 different songs. There is no band aside from perhaps Modest Mouse (and they are more indie) on a scale of Pearl Jam to give you that. 

    Btw, please go and see Modest Mouse. One of the most underrated rock bands out there. They are fantastic most nights. 
    4 shows in thats a decent amount of unique songs. And having 25 songs on the set is a nice surprise. 

    However there have been 9 songs played every night. Amazingly Porch and Evenflow are not of that 9 so if you add them as almost guarantees going forward that is 11/25 songs that you are likely to hear. And mostly in the same spot minus Evenflow which always hangs around the 10-13 spot usually. 

    Thats is pretty close to half the show. 

    And that is not including songs like Betterman, Corduroy, Jeremy, Black, Given to Fly, Yellow Ledbetter,  

    I think you get the idea with this for fans that have already committed to seeing multiple shows and how much of the set is already spoken for it seems before they even walk on stage. 

    This is why we are discussing this huge change over the past years. If those numbers above mean anything too you thats great. I am not sure why it matters to you that others are interested in it. I am not trying to argue with anyone to change their mind to mine. Just voicing an opinion. 


  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    And all of the above said we are only 4 shows into a long touring year for these guys. It might change it might not. Still worthy of a friendly discussion imo. 
  • MS4677
    MS4677 Posts: 67
    MS4677 said:
    I certainly would NOT recommend going to a U2 show then with only 2 rotating songs each tour over the past 3 decades.  Maybe Eddie going to the sphere show and one too many convesations with Bono contaminated him? Video sceens, bells and whistles, more predictable setlists!? 
    Just like tool, or green day, or metallica, or guns n roses, or foo fighters it's a one show per tour band.  Pearl Jam is not a one show per tour band, has never been, I would have said never will be but here we are.
    Maybe more than just one show for those bands. But yes, I get your point. It's early in the tour though. Let's see how things shake out as we progess.  
  • danofun
    danofun Posts: 1,301
    It’s a different tour. First, they’re promoting a new album! It’s the first time in 10.5 years the band is on a real album tour. Second, they’ve added visuals to the show. They spent the time/money to develop material for certain songs they want to emphasize so those songs are going to be a part of most night’s sets.

    A different type of tour should have been expected. It’s evolution, baby! Will this tour be like all future tours? Unlikely. If this tour isn’t to your liking, now you know. I for one can’t think of a place I’d rather be.
  • southp
    southp Posts: 304
    This setlists is just about perfection to me.  I would be thrilled to be at this one.
  • jimjam1982
    jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,471
    edited May 2024
    Also just to add. 4 shows in they already played 60 different songs. There is no band aside from perhaps Modest Mouse (and they are more indie) on a scale of Pearl Jam to give you that. 

    Btw, please go and see Modest Mouse. One of the most underrated rock bands out there. They are fantastic most nights. 
    Comparison:

    First 3 shows in 2013.  63 - one less show to surpass that number (understandably longer shows)

    First 4 shows in 2022.  56 different songs after 4 shows - however these sets had a couple less songs due to longer Gigaton songs - so they are mirroring the start of 2022 almost identically in terms of variety. 

    And the start of 2022 was bad variety that was subjected to much criticism in addition to the shock of shorter shows. 

    They course corrected variety come Europe/Fall shows.  My faith that they course correct here is lesser due to the screens in play.  

    They should just channel their Inner Tool and say fine, fuck it no hits when they went for like 2 years without playing the big hits.  Only Fans tour DM + deep cuts.

    And you know how many complaints tool got for doing that? None.


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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    vedpunk said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    vedpunk said:
    It’s another case of PJ First World Problems.  How dare they only play 12-15 unique songs from one show to another.  That was not my expectations! Lol
    What makes you think this change shouldn’t be something that fans discuss on a fan board about the setlist? 
    Absolutely discuss it but not belabor it.   The obsession in pointing it out is exhausting. 
    I’m going to vote with you, but I see n15’s point as well. 

    Jeff clearly stated that they are at a stage that they can do whatever they f****** want, that they’ve earned it (not verbatim) which is true.  

    This was named a “dark matter” tour….not a greatest hits tour or final tour.  

    They’ve taken the time to discuss (extensively) at various times over the past few years that things needed to change a bit, things needed to slow down a bit.  Let’s take a poll of our ages over in AET and see what percentage of us 61 year olds can totally understand where they’re coming from.  

    No offense intended, but i can see being bummed out for sure, last tour, the first time things changed, but now it just feels kind of disrespectful.  Not all the comments, just some.  I’m confused as to why anyone is surprised by any of their decisions.  They told everyone this was coming.  

    Truly confused so I’d appreciate if someone could explain why they thought they weren’t being honest? 
     I read all the time posts complaining they don’t tell us anything then when they do some don’t believe them.  Baffling yet amusing.  
  • opsopcopolis
    opsopcopolis Posts: 1,214
    edited May 2024
    Also just to add. 4 shows in they already played 60 different songs. There is no band aside from perhaps Modest Mouse (and they are more indie) on a scale of Pearl Jam to give you that. 
    There's a few that come to mind (Phish, Bruce, Dave Matthews, Dead), and I'm 100% sure all of those fan bases would have the same reaction that some PJ fans (myself included) are having to these more stagnant setlists. Bruce's 2023 tour is a pretty good example, Setlist was almost entirely stagnant all year, and a lot of the fans were pretty frustrated and bummed, lamenting the end of the Bruce shows of old. 

    I was definitely expecting a lot of DM material, but certainly wasn't expecting the same songs in the same slots every night. That said, aside from the overall song percentage due to shorter shows it's not insanely far off what they've done in the past. In 2010 I saw 8 Backpsacer songs in a single show, In 2013, it was 5-8 songs per show with LB and MYM almost always played together, Even Flow almost always paired with Sirens. Yellow Moon and Future Days in the encore. Hopefully they'll start to move stuff around a bit more by the fall, but if not, I'll be fine just seeing my 3 shows and will likely stop considering trying to get to the East Coast. Plus, if they play HTI in Vegas I can probably just stop seeing them and be happy lol.

    I have a hard time with the "you can't complain, it's disrespectful" attitude. Sure, they can play what they want, and sure, we don't have to go. But what's the point of having a fan forum if not to discuss what they're doing. Active and engaged fan bases lead to forums like this, and without the variety I'm sure this place would be way less active.
    Post edited by opsopcopolis on
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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    Seriously think about it.  After the last tour, when we found out it would be the first tour with the new format, very few complained, we were all like “we can live with this”. “This was great!” Want to know why?  We were just fucking excited to be back out in society.  Now, we’re back to being cynical complainers.  Well, I’m not….i can’t wait.  They can play DM two times through and it would be great….its PJ.  Take each concert/tour as a blessing and as if it may be your last.  You may have a different view when you’re there.  
  • marumaruko
    marumaruko Posts: 410
    I'm also all for healthy discussions, but the meritless rants just create further frustration. I'm a relatively new member, as well, but I am so surprised how negative many of the recent discussions are. I do read many old threads, as well, and it wasn't like this. 

    I think expectation management is key. Surely it is a bummer to spend 20k a tour for 6 or more shows and then hear 'only 70ish different songs', but that's where it begins for me. Spending that much money on one band is a bit crazy, no? 
    And surely a more singular occurrence than the rule, so the band targeting the majority (one or two show goers) with setlists should be just fine.

    Besides the point, but
    If I had that much cash, I would rather give it to Vitalogy than throwing it all on being at different shows during one tour. But freedom of choice, right? 
    And the freedom of choosing happiness over frustration. 
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    2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
    2007 - Munich
    2013 - Calgary
    2014 - Vienna
    2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
    2018 - Padova
    2022 - Frankfurt, Krakow, Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto  

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,397
    It's just getting annoying following the setlist thread during the show when the same people complain throughout the entire thing. We get it, you don't like what they're doing, maybe take a break from the next setlist thread and spare us all the same complaint in the same spot every show :wink:

    Don't you do it too...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HailHailVitalogy
    HailHailVitalogy Posts: 6,012
    edited May 2024
    Then by all means stop buying tickets...leaves more for the rest of us

    The whole point is that majority of this community is seeing many many shows each tour, myself included, because of the unknown set lists. For example, using the band as an excuse to go to Europe or Australia. The incentive now to travel to get uniqueness has dwindled….which eventually leads to the band losing money. 

    Oh wow, the entitlement of the traveling fans. Sure, complaining is an option, but not going is also. No one asks you guys to go out of your way to buy tickets to all the shows. 
    Every show will give you something different, but they really like this record and that's why they are playing the hell out of it. It's great to see. Think the last time this really happened was during the Avocado tour. 
    Overall, I think if it comes to the point that you as a person see yourself as a vital part of a live concert when you are not part of the band, then you are taking it too far. People will go, people will enjoy, you going and not enjoying because of setlist variety is doing yourself more of a disservice than to the band. 
    Damn, I know groupies were a thing a few decades ago, but Pearl Jam seem to have the worst kind of groupies.
    Easy to say in hindsight. Tickets go on sale in February, first 4 shows in May, and now it’s “well why did you buy tickets?”. Like we were able to predict the predictability? After 2023 I didn’t think this is where we would be. If the band came out and said 70% of each show will be the same, they wouldn’t have sold as many tickets. Let’s face it, the band is lucky to have us traveling fans. Sorry if that’s “entitled” but it is true. 

    Myself and the other fans showing concerns about the set list predictability never said we wouldn’t enjoy the show. We’ve said multiple times we are still going to rock out, just might change the amount of times we rock out.

    The U2 comment - I wouldn’t go see them 8x. With their set lists, I would only want to see them once. And that’s fine! Springsteen was very predictable for the first time in a while. My dad would usually go to 5-10 shows a tour for his set list variety. He went to two. 

    MSG 2022 was not a great set list whatsoever for the “entitled traveling fan”, but the crowd and atmosphere made it one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. MSG specifically, we are traveling for the crowd not the set list. 

    Also, these “unique songs” aren’t very unique. Present Tense, Not For You, Last Exit, Immortality, Wishlist, Garden….these have all been staples. NAIS, In Hiding, and Red Mosquito maybe to a lesser extent, but we did always get them a good amount of times per tour. “oh wow they played Once!”. 
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  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    Agreed. Hoping Seattle gets a little weird, and come September we have a new format. Otherwise I’m not really stressing about Philly tickets as much as I was before. 

    In 2022, I went to three of the spring leg shows (San Diego and LA*2); in the fall, I went to MSG and Denver. I thought the fall shows were different animals than the spring shows. The spring shows I saw were Gigaton shows, the fall shows felt more varied to me.
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  • Go Animal
    Go Animal Posts: 7,351
    So, yeah... Sacramento! 
    PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 & 05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01 & 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles (Inglewood) I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18 & 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16 & 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29 & 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03 & 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27 & 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II

    EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival

    Song Wishlist: Alone, Let Me Sleep, Brother, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, and the Mamasan Trilogy.

    Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08        ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!