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  • CROJAM95
    CROJAM95 Posts: 10,802
    Its about all Taylor Swifts relationships, PJ took notes and piggybacked on it seeing it’s got major interest 

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,484
    I don't think it's only about divorce. But I do think the lyrics are all about relationships with each other, and life. Divorce seems too limiting. 
    I think this is the fair take. 
  • It all seems to be. ...
    Very sad really 
    I feel a lot of this through these songs. It’s interesting because Ed was inspired to do this from his earthling experience- which I thought was the most positive stretch of songs. 
    “I suppose our capacity for self-delusion is boundless.” ― John Steinbeck, Travels with Charley: In Search of America
  • jammergirl
    jammergirl Posts: 599
    I agree with the idea that it's a concept album, it actually reminds me of Riz Ahmed's album The Long Goodbye. The lyrics and sketches between the songs sound at first like a typical breakup, but it's meant to be a larger allegory about his dissolution with being a brown Muslim in Britain. https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/riz-ahmed-the-long-goodbye/  This could just be my edible kicking in, but thought it was an interesting idea.  
  • GhostChile
    GhostChile Posts: 1,179
    With "Something Special" being so explicit about parenting, i can assume that the album is definetely about relationship break ups or maybe a difficult stage of one. Glade no politics 
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  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 892
    Um there’s lots of politics here, it just isn’t hitting us over the head with it
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,803
    Pretty sure Dark Matter is about excessive taxation....that's how I took it, especially on 4/15.  :)

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  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,510
    kmcmanus said:
    Um there’s lots of politics here, it just isn’t hitting us over the head with it
    That is my interpretation also.
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  • GhostChile
    GhostChile Posts: 1,179
    KV4053 said:
    kmcmanus said:
    Um there’s lots of politics here, it just isn’t hitting us over the head with it
    That is my interpretation also.
    wich songs do you think are about politics?
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,870
    I don't think any are they are all lost love songs 


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  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,510
    KV4053 said:
    kmcmanus said:
    Um there’s lots of politics here, it just isn’t hitting us over the head with it
    That is my interpretation also.
    wich songs do you think are about politics?
    I don't normally spend a lot of time analyzing the lyrics. I let it evolve over time. However, the lyrics of individual songs and the collection as a whole is thematic in my mind. That's why I believe it is a concept album which uses a relationship, an individual in many songs, to symbolize broader relationships. Broader relationships with whom? I believe it is the divided country or at least the extremes of this divided country. Something Special is the exception to what I'm thinking.

    To answer your question specifically, give me a few days to absorb the album more. I'm five full listens in, but I definitely need a few more spins. With this album, for some reason I am only listening to it as a whole rather than individual songs.
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  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 892
    You think “arrested the press, no one knows what happened next” (just for 1 example) is about relationships rather than about say Putin?
  • JR86440
    JR86440 Posts: 753
    kmcmanus said:
    You think “arrested the press, no one knows what happened next” (just for 1 example) is about relationships rather than about say Putin?
    That's clearly about Trump
  • kmcmanus
    kmcmanus Posts: 892
    JR86440 said:
    kmcmanus said:
    You think “arrested the press, no one knows what happened next” (just for 1 example) is about relationships rather than about say Putin?
    That's clearly about Trump
    Well probably both, but it’s certainly not a divorce song unless their bromance is in trouble
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    "Following the release of Pearl Jam‘s new album “Dark Matter,” frontman Eddie Vedder has revealed the rationale behind political song “Wreckage.”

    Speaking to the U.K.’s Sunday Times, Vedder said of the song: “There is a guy in the United States who is still saying he didn’t lose an election, and people are reverberating and amplifying that message as if it is true. Trump is desperate. I don’t think there has ever been a candidate more desperate to win, just to keep himself out of prison and to avoid bankruptcy. It is all on the line, and he’s out there playing the victim — at least they’re doing this to me, because if not they would be doing it to you — but you haven’t falsified your tax records. You don’t have classified information in your basement. So the song is saying, let’s not be driven apart by one person, especially not a person without any worthy causes.”

    In light of this nugget -- which, I still don't hear Wreckage as a political song -- what if every lyric that feels like it's about divorce or a breakup is about breaking up with your country? What if it's using the idea of trying to save a marriage as an allegory for trying to save our country or way of life?

    I'm just spitballing and mostly taken aback by the quote above.


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    for the least they could possibly do
  • RS65573
    RS65573 Posts: 2,499
    Great quote, hadnt seen that.
  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    "Following the release of Pearl Jam‘s new album “Dark Matter,” frontman Eddie Vedder has revealed the rationale behind political song “Wreckage.”

    Speaking to the U.K.’s Sunday Times, Vedder said of the song: “There is a guy in the United States who is still saying he didn’t lose an election, and people are reverberating and amplifying that message as if it is true. Trump is desperate. I don’t think there has ever been a candidate more desperate to win, just to keep himself out of prison and to avoid bankruptcy. It is all on the line, and he’s out there playing the victim — at least they’re doing this to me, because if not they would be doing it to you — but you haven’t falsified your tax records. You don’t have classified information in your basement. So the song is saying, let’s not be driven apart by one person, especially not a person without any worthy causes.”

    In light of this nugget -- which, I still don't hear Wreckage as a political song -- what if every lyric that feels like it's about divorce or a breakup is about breaking up with your country? What if it's using the idea of trying to save a marriage as an allegory for trying to save our country or way of life?

    I'm just spitballing and mostly taken aback by the quote above.


    This is interesting. I saw this and looked at the lyrics again and still not really understanding the connection to Donald Trump. I was picking up on a lot of societal themes throughout the album, but not so much with this track.
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Lifted said:
    "Following the release of Pearl Jam‘s new album “Dark Matter,” frontman Eddie Vedder has revealed the rationale behind political song “Wreckage.”

    Speaking to the U.K.’s Sunday Times, Vedder said of the song: “There is a guy in the United States who is still saying he didn’t lose an election, and people are reverberating and amplifying that message as if it is true. Trump is desperate. I don’t think there has ever been a candidate more desperate to win, just to keep himself out of prison and to avoid bankruptcy. It is all on the line, and he’s out there playing the victim — at least they’re doing this to me, because if not they would be doing it to you — but you haven’t falsified your tax records. You don’t have classified information in your basement. So the song is saying, let’s not be driven apart by one person, especially not a person without any worthy causes.”

    In light of this nugget -- which, I still don't hear Wreckage as a political song -- what if every lyric that feels like it's about divorce or a breakup is about breaking up with your country? What if it's using the idea of trying to save a marriage as an allegory for trying to save our country or way of life?

    I'm just spitballing and mostly taken aback by the quote above.


    This is interesting. I saw this and looked at the lyrics again and still not really understanding the connection to Donald Trump. I was picking up on a lot of societal themes throughout the album, but not so much with this track.
    There's a part of me that believes the writer of that piece has the song title wrong and Ed is talking about a different one, most likely the title track. But interesting nonetheless.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Lifted
    Lifted Posts: 1,836
    Lifted said:
    "Following the release of Pearl Jam‘s new album “Dark Matter,” frontman Eddie Vedder has revealed the rationale behind political song “Wreckage.”

    Speaking to the U.K.’s Sunday Times, Vedder said of the song: “There is a guy in the United States who is still saying he didn’t lose an election, and people are reverberating and amplifying that message as if it is true. Trump is desperate. I don’t think there has ever been a candidate more desperate to win, just to keep himself out of prison and to avoid bankruptcy. It is all on the line, and he’s out there playing the victim — at least they’re doing this to me, because if not they would be doing it to you — but you haven’t falsified your tax records. You don’t have classified information in your basement. So the song is saying, let’s not be driven apart by one person, especially not a person without any worthy causes.”

    In light of this nugget -- which, I still don't hear Wreckage as a political song -- what if every lyric that feels like it's about divorce or a breakup is about breaking up with your country? What if it's using the idea of trying to save a marriage as an allegory for trying to save our country or way of life?

    I'm just spitballing and mostly taken aback by the quote above.


    This is interesting. I saw this and looked at the lyrics again and still not really understanding the connection to Donald Trump. I was picking up on a lot of societal themes throughout the album, but not so much with this track.
    There's a part of me that believes the writer of that piece has the song title wrong and Ed is talking about a different one, most likely the title track. But interesting nonetheless.
    I dont know, there's a few publications that said the same thing, but the title track would certainly make more obvious sense.
  • DM282158
    DM282158 Beverly, MA Posts: 657
    Didn’t Eddie say on Stern this morning that Wreckage is NOT about Trump? Must’ve mixed up title track to your point 
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