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GhostChileGhostChile Posts: 1,118
is it just me or almost every song on DM is about a possible divorce of Ed?
Mexico City 17/7/2003
Mexico City 18/7/2003
Mexico City 19/7/2003
Santiago Chile 22/11/2005
Santiago Chile 23/11/2005
Buenos Aires Argentina 13/11/2011
Santiago Chile 16/11/2011
Lima Perú 18/11/2011
Sao Paulo Brasil 31/3/2013
Buenos Aires Argentina 03/4/2013
Santiago Chile 06/5/2013
Santiago Chile 4/11/2015
Buenos Aires Argentina 7/11/2015
Porto Alegre Brasil 11/11/2015
Sao Paulo Brasil 14/11/2015
Brasilia Brasil 17/11/2015
Belo Horizonte Brasil 20/11/2015
Rio de Janeiro Brasil 22/11/2015
Bogota Colombia 25/11/2015
Mexico City 28/11/2015
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 8/4/2016
Miami, FL 9/4/2016
Tampa, FL 11/4/2016
Santiago Chile 13/3/2018
Santiago Chile 16/3/2018
Rome Italy 26/6/2018
Prague Czech Republic 1/7/2018
Krakow Poland 3/7/2018
Berlin Germany 5/7/2018
Barcelona Spain 10/7/2018
Dana Point, CA 1/10/2021
Dana Point, CA 2/10/2021 
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    CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,315
    Or of America Maybe

    Or More Death stuff 
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 12,280
    is it just me or almost every song on DM is about a possible divorce of Ed?
    Yes I hear that too
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
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    PJ_HawkeyePJ_Hawkeye Posts: 67
    Upper hand is rough lyrics.  Then the end just maybe the two of you…
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    GhostChileGhostChile Posts: 1,118
    Scared of Fear is about a tough stage of a relationship for sure.

    Mexico City 17/7/2003
    Mexico City 18/7/2003
    Mexico City 19/7/2003
    Santiago Chile 22/11/2005
    Santiago Chile 23/11/2005
    Buenos Aires Argentina 13/11/2011
    Santiago Chile 16/11/2011
    Lima Perú 18/11/2011
    Sao Paulo Brasil 31/3/2013
    Buenos Aires Argentina 03/4/2013
    Santiago Chile 06/5/2013
    Santiago Chile 4/11/2015
    Buenos Aires Argentina 7/11/2015
    Porto Alegre Brasil 11/11/2015
    Sao Paulo Brasil 14/11/2015
    Brasilia Brasil 17/11/2015
    Belo Horizonte Brasil 20/11/2015
    Rio de Janeiro Brasil 22/11/2015
    Bogota Colombia 25/11/2015
    Mexico City 28/11/2015
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL 8/4/2016
    Miami, FL 9/4/2016
    Tampa, FL 11/4/2016
    Santiago Chile 13/3/2018
    Santiago Chile 16/3/2018
    Rome Italy 26/6/2018
    Prague Czech Republic 1/7/2018
    Krakow Poland 3/7/2018
    Berlin Germany 5/7/2018
    Barcelona Spain 10/7/2018
    Dana Point, CA 1/10/2021
    Dana Point, CA 2/10/2021 
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 12,280
    It all seems to be. ...
    Very sad really 
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
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    kmcmanuskmcmanus Posts: 668
    edited April 21
    Scared of Fear is about a tough stage of a relationship for sure.

    I think Scared of Fear is about not being able to find common ground with the other people in your community. 
    Actually I think most of the album is about that. But I see how it can be read as one specific interpersonal relationship too. It’s a strength of the writing that it works as whichever you need it to be.
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    Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,014
    edited April 21
    Seeing as they were written a year+ ago and they are still together, its probably not about divorce.


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    Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,014
    Also, this isn't really cool to bring up on the boards.

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    GhostChileGhostChile Posts: 1,118
    Also, this isn't really cool to bring up on the boards.

    Why?
    Even Jeff told us to interpret the lyrics as we want and Im not judging or made a point of view about the divorce issue.

    Im just saying that to me, it seems that the whole album speaks about it. Respecfully.
    Mexico City 17/7/2003
    Mexico City 18/7/2003
    Mexico City 19/7/2003
    Santiago Chile 22/11/2005
    Santiago Chile 23/11/2005
    Buenos Aires Argentina 13/11/2011
    Santiago Chile 16/11/2011
    Lima Perú 18/11/2011
    Sao Paulo Brasil 31/3/2013
    Buenos Aires Argentina 03/4/2013
    Santiago Chile 06/5/2013
    Santiago Chile 4/11/2015
    Buenos Aires Argentina 7/11/2015
    Porto Alegre Brasil 11/11/2015
    Sao Paulo Brasil 14/11/2015
    Brasilia Brasil 17/11/2015
    Belo Horizonte Brasil 20/11/2015
    Rio de Janeiro Brasil 22/11/2015
    Bogota Colombia 25/11/2015
    Mexico City 28/11/2015
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL 8/4/2016
    Miami, FL 9/4/2016
    Tampa, FL 11/4/2016
    Santiago Chile 13/3/2018
    Santiago Chile 16/3/2018
    Rome Italy 26/6/2018
    Prague Czech Republic 1/7/2018
    Krakow Poland 3/7/2018
    Berlin Germany 5/7/2018
    Barcelona Spain 10/7/2018
    Dana Point, CA 1/10/2021
    Dana Point, CA 2/10/2021 
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    gotthebottlegotthebottle San Diego Posts: 2,480
    Also, this isn't really cool to bring up on the boards.

    Why?
    Even Jeff told us to interpret the lyrics as we want and Im not judging or made a point of view about the divorce issue.

    Im just saying that to me, it seems that the whole album speaks about it. Respecfully.
    Because a thread just like this got closed by Mods
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    OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,220
    edited April 21
    It all seems to be. ...
    Very sad really 
    Definitely feel sad after listening closely to this album. ☹️

    I’m used to Ed coming with some biting lyrics, political commentary or whatnot, and these just sound like he feels defeated.
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    DC '03 - Reading '04 - Philly '05 - Camden 1 '06 - DC '06 - E. Rutherford '06 - The Vic '07 - Lollapalooza '07 - DC '08 - EV DC 1 & 2 '08 (Met Ed!!) - EV Baltimore 1 & 2 '09 - EV NYC 1 '11 (Met Ed!) - Hartford '13 - GCF '15 - MSG 2 '16 - TOTD MSG '16 - Boston 1 & 2 '18 - SHN '21 - EV NYC 1 & 2 '22 - MSG '22
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    CarryTheZeroCarryTheZero Posts: 2,251
    I definitely had the feels watching/listening to the lyrics in the theater. These are some sad songs, yet the arrangements and some lines here and there provide some hope. I’m trying to read it mostly as relationships (not necessarily specific to anyone) and just the state of all of our human connections today. It’s hard for people to come to common ground or not feel like they have to take a side (at least in the public/media/social media arena of things).

    Is that why he calls the album Dark Matter? It’s all this stuff that connects us, that we can’t really see, and can’t seem to figure out? I don’t know. I do love this album more and more though.
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    DM282158DM282158 Beverly, MA Posts: 530
    edited April 22
    Dare I say it feels like a concept album? About a divorce/separation. Not autobiographical. But like Pete Townsend rock opera esque. And we know how Eddie views Pete. 

    Songs are almost like the stages of grief. 

    Just a theory. 
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    Boston '06
    Mansfield '08
    Hartford '10
    Worcester, Hartford '13
    Global Citizen, NY '15
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    SpunkieSpunkie I come from downtown. Posts: 5,756
    edited April 22
    ^ stages of grief crossed my mind too

    One bit reminded me of the bargaining part 
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    PJammin'PJammin' Posts: 1,789
    I’m just glad it’s not overly political. I need a break from all of the craziness. 
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
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    PJammin'PJammin' Posts: 1,789
    DM282158 said:
    Dare I say it feels like a concept album? About a divorce/separation. Not autobiographical. But like Pete Townsend rock opera esque. And we know how Eddie views Pete. 

    Songs are almost like the stages of grief. 

    Just a theory. 
    I like this take. 
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
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    KV4053KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,494
    edited April 22
    It's definitely a concept album. I believe it is about a relationship, but not necessarily with a specific person, but rather entities.
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    I know I was born and I know that I'll die. The in between is mine.
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    kmcmanuskmcmanus Posts: 668
    DM282158 said:
    Dare I say it feels like a concept album? About a divorce/separation. Not autobiographical. But like Pete Townsend rock opera esque. And we know how Eddie views Pete. 

    Songs are almost like the stages of grief. 

    Just a theory. 
    I think it’s about grief, and mortality, and endings of all kinds. But not necessarily romantic. Scared of Fear, React, Respond, DM & Running are more disconnections in society. Upper Hand seems to be about approaching death. Setting Sun starts sounding like a breakup but by the end that’s maybe more mortality based too. Wreckage seems to be about a relationship ending but I wouldn’t assume it to be autobiographical, rock history is full of breakup songs. Won’t Tell is about a dream but gives some Dissident vibes too with the idea of keeping someone’s secrets. 
    I think most of these could be read multiple ways, but I absolutely don’t think they’re all supposed to be read the same way. 
    Also some of these songs were recorded almost 3 years ago so some of the theories debunk themselves.
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    PJammin'PJammin' Posts: 1,789
    I’ll have to look more into this concept album.   
    I died. I died and you just stood there. I died and you watched. I died and you walked by and said no. I'm dead.
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    dreamweaverdreamweaver New York Posts: 715
    I don't think it's only about divorce. But I do think the lyrics are all about relationships with each other, and life. Divorce seems too limiting. 
    Meadowlands, MSG 1, MSG 2 - '98
    Jones Beach NY 1 + 3 - '00
    MSG 1 + 2 - '03
    Boston Garden - '04
    Montreal - '05
    Boston Garden 1, Meadowlands 1 + 2 - '06
    Mansfield 1 - '08
    (EV solo) Boston 1 - '08
    Chicago 1 - '09
    MSG -'10
    Brooklyn 1+2 - '13
    Central Park - '15
    MSG - '16
    Fenway - '16
    Wrigley - '16
    (RRHOF) Brooklyn - '17
    Fenway - '18
    MSG - '22
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    CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,315
    Its about all Taylor Swifts relationships, PJ took notes and piggybacked on it seeing it’s got major interest 

    dolla dolla billz y’all 
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    Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 7,014
    I don't think it's only about divorce. But I do think the lyrics are all about relationships with each other, and life. Divorce seems too limiting. 
    I think this is the fair take. 
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    Travels WithTravels With Posts: 560
    It all seems to be. ...
    Very sad really 
    I feel a lot of this through these songs. It’s interesting because Ed was inspired to do this from his earthling experience- which I thought was the most positive stretch of songs. 
    “I suppose our capacity for self-delusion is boundless.” ― John Steinbeck, Travels with Charley: In Search of America
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    jammergirljammergirl Posts: 599
    I agree with the idea that it's a concept album, it actually reminds me of Riz Ahmed's album The Long Goodbye. The lyrics and sketches between the songs sound at first like a typical breakup, but it's meant to be a larger allegory about his dissolution with being a brown Muslim in Britain. https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/riz-ahmed-the-long-goodbye/  This could just be my edible kicking in, but thought it was an interesting idea.  
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    GhostChileGhostChile Posts: 1,118
    With "Something Special" being so explicit about parenting, i can assume that the album is definetely about relationship break ups or maybe a difficult stage of one. Glade no politics 
    Mexico City 17/7/2003
    Mexico City 18/7/2003
    Mexico City 19/7/2003
    Santiago Chile 22/11/2005
    Santiago Chile 23/11/2005
    Buenos Aires Argentina 13/11/2011
    Santiago Chile 16/11/2011
    Lima Perú 18/11/2011
    Sao Paulo Brasil 31/3/2013
    Buenos Aires Argentina 03/4/2013
    Santiago Chile 06/5/2013
    Santiago Chile 4/11/2015
    Buenos Aires Argentina 7/11/2015
    Porto Alegre Brasil 11/11/2015
    Sao Paulo Brasil 14/11/2015
    Brasilia Brasil 17/11/2015
    Belo Horizonte Brasil 20/11/2015
    Rio de Janeiro Brasil 22/11/2015
    Bogota Colombia 25/11/2015
    Mexico City 28/11/2015
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL 8/4/2016
    Miami, FL 9/4/2016
    Tampa, FL 11/4/2016
    Santiago Chile 13/3/2018
    Santiago Chile 16/3/2018
    Rome Italy 26/6/2018
    Prague Czech Republic 1/7/2018
    Krakow Poland 3/7/2018
    Berlin Germany 5/7/2018
    Barcelona Spain 10/7/2018
    Dana Point, CA 1/10/2021
    Dana Point, CA 2/10/2021 
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    kmcmanuskmcmanus Posts: 668
    Um there’s lots of politics here, it just isn’t hitting us over the head with it
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,142
    Pretty sure Dark Matter is about excessive taxation....that's how I took it, especially on 4/15.  :)

    hippiemom = goodness
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    KV4053KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,494
    kmcmanus said:
    Um there’s lots of politics here, it just isn’t hitting us over the head with it
    That is my interpretation also.
    I know I was born and I know that I'll die. The in between is mine.
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    GhostChileGhostChile Posts: 1,118
    KV4053 said:
    kmcmanus said:
    Um there’s lots of politics here, it just isn’t hitting us over the head with it
    That is my interpretation also.
    wich songs do you think are about politics?
    Mexico City 17/7/2003
    Mexico City 18/7/2003
    Mexico City 19/7/2003
    Santiago Chile 22/11/2005
    Santiago Chile 23/11/2005
    Buenos Aires Argentina 13/11/2011
    Santiago Chile 16/11/2011
    Lima Perú 18/11/2011
    Sao Paulo Brasil 31/3/2013
    Buenos Aires Argentina 03/4/2013
    Santiago Chile 06/5/2013
    Santiago Chile 4/11/2015
    Buenos Aires Argentina 7/11/2015
    Porto Alegre Brasil 11/11/2015
    Sao Paulo Brasil 14/11/2015
    Brasilia Brasil 17/11/2015
    Belo Horizonte Brasil 20/11/2015
    Rio de Janeiro Brasil 22/11/2015
    Bogota Colombia 25/11/2015
    Mexico City 28/11/2015
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL 8/4/2016
    Miami, FL 9/4/2016
    Tampa, FL 11/4/2016
    Santiago Chile 13/3/2018
    Santiago Chile 16/3/2018
    Rome Italy 26/6/2018
    Prague Czech Republic 1/7/2018
    Krakow Poland 3/7/2018
    Berlin Germany 5/7/2018
    Barcelona Spain 10/7/2018
    Dana Point, CA 1/10/2021
    Dana Point, CA 2/10/2021 
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 12,280
    I don't think any are they are all lost love songs 
    brixton 93
    astoria 06
    albany 06
    hartford 06
    reading 06
    barcelona 06
    paris 06
    wembley 07
    dusseldorf 07
    nijmegen 07

    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
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