Running is out !
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Saying the 2nd half of their career isn’t as good is like saying your 25 year old self satisfied your wife more than your 60 year old ass
kinda of flat, in alll kind of ways
take it for what it’s worth, I’m not in love with every track… love going to shows, having a beer, saying hi to people, seeing different places and reminiscing
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First half in terms of years (through Avacoda) was how he categorized it. I too like the 1st five albums the most, but I have Gigaton ahead of the rest.F Me In The Brain said:
I'm #TeamWob when it comes to first half of records destroying anything that came after. (I would actually say First Five.)se7v7en said:
Yes, and I don't understand the assumption that the band is just making records for money grabs....I also thought Gigaton was phenomenal. I still enjoy it more than some of the albums in the first half of their career that Wobbie deems legit. I understand why this particular song is not landing with some, but it is landing with many others as well. I think that's to be expected when receiving new music from a band over 30 years in.THEBIBLEISTEN said:
Everyone has an opinion just like you have an asshole. I don’t agree but it’s your right. It’s just exhausting how miserable and negative people are on here. It’s actually sad but again it’s your right to say what you want. I disagree as I thought Gigaton was a good record. I appreciate things for what they are. Ooh, I’ll say this, I thought sleeping by myself on LB was weak. It was already on Ed’s solo record.Wobbie said:THEBIBLEISTEN said:
Yeah a Grammy award winning producer who has worked with huge artists and is in high demand would butcher the whole record. Wtf? You people need to relax. Never seen a fan base ruin and dissect every little thing a band does to take the joy out it. People bitching about shipping rates, record cost, song production, drums, vocals, seat selection, city selection, tix prices, t shirt size, poster design etc. this post is not directed to you last exit just an overall rant to the negativity on here. Ok, I’m done. Carry on with the bitchinglastexit78 said:It’s okay to love this band, have tickets to multiple shows and still be excited for the album while admitting this song is awful. Dark Matter is a solid track but this song is a mess. Not sure what possessed them to release this as a 2nd single. The production of both tracks has me concerned more than anything, hoping Watt didn’t butcher the whole album. Anyway just my 2 cents, hopefully others are enjoying it.
here’s the thing….I was a fan from the beginning. I joined this forum 10 years in (I think). every single album through avocado was brilliant. that was halfway through the band’s existence. since then (the second half), they’ve released 3 average at best albums. dark matter could well be the fourth. the band spoiled the shit out of me for 16 years. since then, their “work” has gone way downhill while they seem to want to squeeze every last dime out of their fans. after BS and LB, I thought they should probably hang it up. PJ will be remembered as a legendary band and will always have a place in my heart (as long as I don’t focus on their recent money grubbing) but I think they have run their course. they’re still talented musicians but the well of creativity seems to have run dry.
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I go first 7+ Lost Dogs, Avocado a step down, and then everything else significantly below with Gigaton at the bottom.se7v7en said:
First half in terms of years (through Avacoda) was how he categorized it. I too like the 1st five albums the most, but I have Gigaton ahead of the rest.F Me In The Brain said:
I'm #TeamWob when it comes to first half of records destroying anything that came after. (I would actually say First Five.)se7v7en said:
Yes, and I don't understand the assumption that the band is just making records for money grabs....I also thought Gigaton was phenomenal. I still enjoy it more than some of the albums in the first half of their career that Wobbie deems legit. I understand why this particular song is not landing with some, but it is landing with many others as well. I think that's to be expected when receiving new music from a band over 30 years in.THEBIBLEISTEN said:
Everyone has an opinion just like you have an asshole. I don’t agree but it’s your right. It’s just exhausting how miserable and negative people are on here. It’s actually sad but again it’s your right to say what you want. I disagree as I thought Gigaton was a good record. I appreciate things for what they are. Ooh, I’ll say this, I thought sleeping by myself on LB was weak. It was already on Ed’s solo record.Wobbie said:THEBIBLEISTEN said:
Yeah a Grammy award winning producer who has worked with huge artists and is in high demand would butcher the whole record. Wtf? You people need to relax. Never seen a fan base ruin and dissect every little thing a band does to take the joy out it. People bitching about shipping rates, record cost, song production, drums, vocals, seat selection, city selection, tix prices, t shirt size, poster design etc. this post is not directed to you last exit just an overall rant to the negativity on here. Ok, I’m done. Carry on with the bitchinglastexit78 said:It’s okay to love this band, have tickets to multiple shows and still be excited for the album while admitting this song is awful. Dark Matter is a solid track but this song is a mess. Not sure what possessed them to release this as a 2nd single. The production of both tracks has me concerned more than anything, hoping Watt didn’t butcher the whole album. Anyway just my 2 cents, hopefully others are enjoying it.
here’s the thing….I was a fan from the beginning. I joined this forum 10 years in (I think). every single album through avocado was brilliant. that was halfway through the band’s existence. since then (the second half), they’ve released 3 average at best albums. dark matter could well be the fourth. the band spoiled the shit out of me for 16 years. since then, their “work” has gone way downhill while they seem to want to squeeze every last dime out of their fans. after BS and LB, I thought they should probably hang it up. PJ will be remembered as a legendary band and will always have a place in my heart (as long as I don’t focus on their recent money grubbing) but I think they have run their course. they’re still talented musicians but the well of creativity seems to have run dry.
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I’m sort of where you are although I don’t think they are in it for the money. I just think the well ran dry sometime around Avocado. Although Ed managed Into The Wild during that stretch which is probably better than any PJ release since Riot Act. I’m just thankful and appreciative they are still around and touring, I don’t care to get into these long debates about new material or even tickets at this point. Going to 4 shows and will enjoy each immensely. I’ll buy the album, find a handful of songs I connect with and move on with my life. People defend every song here like it’s their own child. They aren’t following up Yield or something here, the bar isn’t what it used to be.Wobbie said:THEBIBLEISTEN said:
Yeah a Grammy award winning producer who has worked with huge artists and is in high demand would butcher the whole record. Wtf? You people need to relax. Never seen a fan base ruin and dissect every little thing a band does to take the joy out it. People bitching about shipping rates, record cost, song production, drums, vocals, seat selection, city selection, tix prices, t shirt size, poster design etc. this post is not directed to you last exit just an overall rant to the negativity on here. Ok, I’m done. Carry on with the bitchinglastexit78 said:It’s okay to love this band, have tickets to multiple shows and still be excited for the album while admitting this song is awful. Dark Matter is a solid track but this song is a mess. Not sure what possessed them to release this as a 2nd single. The production of both tracks has me concerned more than anything, hoping Watt didn’t butcher the whole album. Anyway just my 2 cents, hopefully others are enjoying it.
here’s the thing….I was a fan from the beginning. I joined this forum 10 years in (I think). every single album through avocado was brilliant. that was halfway through the band’s existence. since then (the second half), they’ve released 3 average at best albums. dark matter could well be the fourth. the band spoiled the shit out of me for 16 years. since then, their “work” has gone way downhill while they seem to want to squeeze every last dime out of their fans. after BS and LB, I thought they should probably hang it up. PJ will be remembered as a legendary band and will always have a place in my heart (as long as I don’t focus on their recent money grubbing) but I think they have run their course. they’re still talented musicians but the well of creativity seems to have run dry.
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Yes, all they care about is making money-- that's why they haven't played more than 36 shows in a calendar year since 2006. Give me a break.
Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and the opinions are genuine and sincere. I don't question that. But there is an element in a lot of instances where it's not that the band's music is appreciably different in quality than it was twenty or thirty years ago, it's that the listeners are different than they were twenty or thirty years ago. (Not that there are different people in the fan base, but that the people in the fan base have a different relationship to music than they did when they were much younger.) I firmly believe that if the band dropped Vitalogy today, people here would hate it. And if they released an album that sounded exactly like Gigaton in 1998, people would have loved it.
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its like all the whiny little bitches from "oh no the tickets are too expensive " page have migrated over here
I think running is pretty fucking good!
dark matter is good!
our band keeps putting out music and touring!
i think gigaton is pretty good
never thought I would say this but would really like to hear 7 o'clock again live...
i like almost everything they have done in the 2000's and the tours have been by far the best / not wishing for 1998 for me I loved seeing them 2023 rock in Austin they look great cant wait for this year!!!
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💯devonfz said:its like all the whiny little bitches from "oh no the tickets are too expensive " page have migrated over here
I think running is pretty fucking good!
dark matter is good!
our band keeps putting out music and touring!
i think gigaton is pretty good
never thought I would say this but would really like to hear 7 o'clock again live...
i like almost everything they have done in the 2000's and the tours have been by far the best / not wishing for 1998 for me I loved seeing them 2023 rock in Austin they look great cant wait for this year!!!0 -
+1I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
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Whiny little bitches? It’s ok to express opinions about a bands music. That’s what a forum is for. You like running, great! I don’t, great. They are still my favorite band. It’s ok to not like almost everything since 2000.devonfz said:its like all the whiny little bitches from "oh no the tickets are too expensive " page have migrated over here
I think running is pretty fucking good!
dark matter is good!
our band keeps putting out music and touring!
i think gigaton is pretty good
never thought I would say this but would really like to hear 7 o'clock again live...
i like almost everything they have done in the 2000's and the tours have been by far the best / not wishing for 1998 for me I loved seeing them 2023 rock in Austin they look great cant wait for this year!!!
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Okay, so I heard Running through my phone speakers twice, but have listened multiple times at home through some solid speakers.
I’m really enjoying it. Love that bass line to start and Matt’s drumming. Super heavy at the end and that bridge is pretty awesome. Definitely not my favorite PJ song ever, but I enjoy it.So happy the band still makes music. Only album I find myself never really putting on is Lightning Bolt. I love Avocado and Gigaton, and I enjoy Backspacer a whole lot. Vs. is tops for me, but I really do love Avocado and Gigaton.0 -
Ha.
People can have opinions. We don't all have to agree.
Obviously we all love Pearl Jam.
That doesn't mean I can't think Gigaton wasn't a great record and is by far their bottom effort.
Anyway, look forward to hearing the next track.
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I'll pay 5x for tickets, who cares.devonfz said:its like all the whiny little bitches from "oh no the tickets are too expensive " page have migrated over here
I think running is pretty fucking good!
dark matter is good!
our band keeps putting out music and touring!
i think gigaton is pretty good
never thought I would say this but would really like to hear 7 o'clock again live...
i like almost everything they have done in the 2000's and the tours have been by far the best / not wishing for 1998 for me I loved seeing them 2023 rock in Austin they look great cant wait for this year!!!
Doesn't mean a person can't have an opinion
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Cool. I like that some enjoy Gig that much. I argued (and still do) on behalf of BS. Most crap on it.se7v7en said:
First half in terms of years (through Avacoda) was how he categorized it. I too like the 1st five albums the most, but I have Gigaton ahead of the rest.F Me In The Brain said:
I'm #TeamWob when it comes to first half of records destroying anything that came after. (I would actually say First Five.)se7v7en said:
Yes, and I don't understand the assumption that the band is just making records for money grabs....I also thought Gigaton was phenomenal. I still enjoy it more than some of the albums in the first half of their career that Wobbie deems legit. I understand why this particular song is not landing with some, but it is landing with many others as well. I think that's to be expected when receiving new music from a band over 30 years in.THEBIBLEISTEN said:
Everyone has an opinion just like you have an asshole. I don’t agree but it’s your right. It’s just exhausting how miserable and negative people are on here. It’s actually sad but again it’s your right to say what you want. I disagree as I thought Gigaton was a good record. I appreciate things for what they are. Ooh, I’ll say this, I thought sleeping by myself on LB was weak. It was already on Ed’s solo record.Wobbie said:THEBIBLEISTEN said:
Yeah a Grammy award winning producer who has worked with huge artists and is in high demand would butcher the whole record. Wtf? You people need to relax. Never seen a fan base ruin and dissect every little thing a band does to take the joy out it. People bitching about shipping rates, record cost, song production, drums, vocals, seat selection, city selection, tix prices, t shirt size, poster design etc. this post is not directed to you last exit just an overall rant to the negativity on here. Ok, I’m done. Carry on with the bitchinglastexit78 said:It’s okay to love this band, have tickets to multiple shows and still be excited for the album while admitting this song is awful. Dark Matter is a solid track but this song is a mess. Not sure what possessed them to release this as a 2nd single. The production of both tracks has me concerned more than anything, hoping Watt didn’t butcher the whole album. Anyway just my 2 cents, hopefully others are enjoying it.
here’s the thing….I was a fan from the beginning. I joined this forum 10 years in (I think). every single album through avocado was brilliant. that was halfway through the band’s existence. since then (the second half), they’ve released 3 average at best albums. dark matter could well be the fourth. the band spoiled the shit out of me for 16 years. since then, their “work” has gone way downhill while they seem to want to squeeze every last dime out of their fans. after BS and LB, I thought they should probably hang it up. PJ will be remembered as a legendary band and will always have a place in my heart (as long as I don’t focus on their recent money grubbing) but I think they have run their course. they’re still talented musicians but the well of creativity seems to have run dry.
I think I’m only still around so I can talk shit about sports in the AET.
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BS is a great album! It’s a fun, short blast. Wish I had seen more of that tour. Only caught the 2012 Atlanta show, but got to hear 5 songs there!0
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I think it's more about when they're making out to be the worst song ever. And the nitpicking. "It's too overproduced. Under produced. Too many words. Not enough words. 'La, la, la' is lazy writing. Chorus should be here not there. I want it to sound like this. It sounds too much like this. Every album sounds the same. Every album is too different. "F Me In The Brain said:Ha.
People can have opinions. We don't all have to agree.
Obviously we all love Pearl Jam.
That doesn't mean I can't think Gigaton wasn't a great record and is by far their bottom effort.
Anyway, look forward to hearing the next track.I miss igotid880 -
Potato 🥔 patado
I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle0 -
^ I think we should all bring these to the show and sing this during the chorus and at the end whip these on stage!!!I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef
Animals were hiding behind the Coral
Except for little Turtle
I could swear he's trying to talk to me
Gurgle Gurgle0 -
Has anyone said if s the worst song ever? (And we all know that record belongs to you are)igotid88 said:
I think it's more about when they're making out to be the worst song ever. And the nitpicking. "It's too overproduced. Under produced. Too many words. Not enough words. 'La, la, la' is lazy writing. Chorus should be here not there. I want it to sound like this. It sounds too much like this. Every album sounds the same. Every album is too different. "F Me In The Brain said:Ha.
People can have opinions. We don't all have to agree.
Obviously we all love Pearl Jam.
That doesn't mean I can't think Gigaton wasn't a great record and is by far their bottom effort.
Anyway, look forward to hearing the next track.
the rest of what you say is constructive criticism. It’s ok to react to a song and say what you like or don’t like in a respectful way. Some of you act like you wrote the song.
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It's O.K. to not like almost everything since 2000. It's just strange to not like almost everything since 2000 and belong to the band's fan club.mcgruff10 said:
Whiny little bitches? It’s ok to express opinions about a bands music. That’s what a forum is for. You like running, great! I don’t, great. They are still my favorite band. It’s ok to not like almost everything since 2000.devonfz said:its like all the whiny little bitches from "oh no the tickets are too expensive " page have migrated over here
I think running is pretty fucking good!
dark matter is good!
our band keeps putting out music and touring!
i think gigaton is pretty good
never thought I would say this but would really like to hear 7 o'clock again live...
i like almost everything they have done in the 2000's and the tours have been by far the best / not wishing for 1998 for me I loved seeing them 2023 rock in Austin they look great cant wait for this year!!!
I used to really like the Smashing Pumpkins. I loved everything they did through 2000's Machina: The Machines of God. Then Billy Corgan broke up the band and reconstituted it with different people, and everything I've heard from them since then has kind of sucked, even the stuff featuring James and Jimmy. I still love those first five albums, but I wouldn't pay money to belong to a Smashing Pumpkins fan club since I don't think they've done anything good since 2000. (Plus, Billy Corgan is a giant douche.)I gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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