Viruses / Vaccines 2

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'd be devastated. my dad had a heart attack in spring of 2022. it was literally right after a bout of covid. vaxxed? yep. impossible to know which. But highly, HIGHLY likely it was covid or just as likely, just the fact that he's 76 and heart issues run in our family. 

we couldn't go see him as he was still testing positive even though his symptoms had subsided way earlier. he had many complications as a result of this heart attack. he lived and he's fine, but it fucking sucked. he was in there alone for over 2 weeks. my mother has mobility issues and he couldn't be there to help her. 

why would I say any of that to the families? do I say "told ya so" to the families of anti vaxxers who are now dead and begged for the vaccine when it was too late? of course not. I'm not a fucking asshole. 

there have been instances where seatbelts have TAKEN lives. (being trapped in a burning car, for instance-my wife knew a couple who burned alive after a car accident; the seatbelt latches melted and they couldn't get out, leaving two children orphaned). should we still say "FUCK SEATBELTS"? OR WE WERE LIED TO? THEY ALL TOLD US SEAT BELTS SAVED LIVES!!! THESE SEAT BELTS CAUSED THEIR DEATHS! FUCK ALL SEATBELTS!!! 

no, cause that would be incredibly stupid and irresponsible. but you'd be calling for the the public hanging of the guy who invented seat belts. 

would I ever say "man, too bad your mom was wearing her seat belt, eh?". no, again, cuz I'm not a fucking asshole. 

That's a good analogy.

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

we don't have to. it's literally in the link you shared. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Did you really not even read what you posted as a link?  Dude.  Come on.  As HFD points out, it literally says it in the article. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Let's make it super easy for you, since reading can be challenging:

Covid vaccines are meant to prevent severe infection, and studies have indicated Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca’s vaccines are effective at preventing severe illnesses, hospitalizations and death. Meanwhile, the chances of having a neurological event after a Covid infection were up to 617-fold higher than following COVID vaccination, which suggests “the benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh the risks,” according to the Vaccine study researchers.

let's say this to the families who believe the lies and are now grieving..can you??..I wonder what you would say if one of yours were in that position.. 

You post an article and say "aha!".  But evidently you don't read the article for comprehension, and when the article states what we've saying here for the past few years, you say the article is lying.  WTF man.  Get it straight. 

100 safe and effective.. that was the lie.. you forget it already?

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

we don't have to. it's literally in the link you shared. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Did you really not even read what you posted as a link?  Dude.  Come on.  As HFD points out, it literally says it in the article. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Let's make it super easy for you, since reading can be challenging:

Covid vaccines are meant to prevent severe infection, and studies have indicated Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca’s vaccines are effective at preventing severe illnesses, hospitalizations and death. Meanwhile, the chances of having a neurological event after a Covid infection were up to 617-fold higher than following COVID vaccination, which suggests “the benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh the risks,” according to the Vaccine study researchers.

let's say this to the families who believe the lies and are now grieving..can you??..I wonder what you would say if one of yours were in that position.. 

You post an article and say "aha!".  But evidently you don't read the article for comprehension, and when the article states what we've saying here for the past few years, you say the article is lying.  WTF man.  Get it straight. 

100 safe and effective.. that was the lie.. you forget it already?

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'd be devastated. my dad had a heart attack in spring of 2022. it was literally right after a bout of covid. vaxxed? yep. impossible to know which. But highly, HIGHLY likely it was covid or just as likely, just the fact that he's 76 and heart issues run in our family. 

we couldn't go see him as he was still testing positive even though his symptoms had subsided way earlier. he had many complications as a result of this heart attack. he lived and he's fine, but it fucking sucked. he was in there alone for over 2 weeks. my mother has mobility issues and he couldn't be there to help her. 

why would I say any of that to the families? do I say "told ya so" to the families of anti vaxxers who are now dead and begged for the vaccine when it was too late? of course not. I'm not a fucking asshole. 

there have been instances where seatbelts have TAKEN lives. (being trapped in a burning car, for instance-my wife knew a couple who burned alive after a car accident; the seatbelt latches melted and they couldn't get out, leaving two children orphaned). should we still say "FUCK SEATBELTS"? OR WE WERE LIED TO? THEY ALL TOLD US SEAT BELTS SAVED LIVES!!! THESE SEAT BELTS CAUSED THEIR DEATHS! FUCK ALL SEATBELTS!!! 

no, cause that would be incredibly stupid and irresponsible. but you'd be calling for the the public hanging of the guy who invented seat belts. 

would I ever say "man, too bad your mom was wearing her seat belt, eh?". no, again, cuz I'm not a fucking asshole. 

It's the second time you give the seat belt example.. really??..

Go Beavers said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

we don't have to. it's literally in the link you shared. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Did you really not even read what you posted as a link?  Dude.  Come on.  As HFD points out, it literally says it in the article. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Let's make it super easy for you, since reading can be challenging:

Covid vaccines are meant to prevent severe infection, and studies have indicated Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca’s vaccines are effective at preventing severe illnesses, hospitalizations and death. Meanwhile, the chances of having a neurological event after a Covid infection were up to 617-fold higher than following COVID vaccination, which suggests “the benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh the risks,” according to the Vaccine study researchers.

let's say this to the families who believe the lies and are now grieving..can you??..I wonder what you would say if one of yours were in that position.. 

You post an article and say "aha!".  But evidently you don't read the article for comprehension, and when the article states what we've saying here for the past few years, you say the article is lying.  WTF man.  Get it straight. 

100 safe and effective.. that was the lie.. you forget it already?

And you’re equally sympathetic to people who had family members die because they refused the vaccine after being told
lies about it and that they’ll do just fine popping Ivermectin and vitamin D. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'd be devastated. my dad had a heart attack in spring of 2022. it was literally right after a bout of covid. vaxxed? yep. impossible to know which. But highly, HIGHLY likely it was covid or just as likely, just the fact that he's 76 and heart issues run in our family. 

we couldn't go see him as he was still testing positive even though his symptoms had subsided way earlier. he had many complications as a result of this heart attack. he lived and he's fine, but it fucking sucked. he was in there alone for over 2 weeks. my mother has mobility issues and he couldn't be there to help her. 

why would I say any of that to the families? do I say "told ya so" to the families of anti vaxxers who are now dead and begged for the vaccine when it was too late? of course not. I'm not a fucking asshole. 

there have been instances where seatbelts have TAKEN lives. (being trapped in a burning car, for instance-my wife knew a couple who burned alive after a car accident; the seatbelt latches melted and they couldn't get out, leaving two children orphaned). should we still say "FUCK SEATBELTS"? OR WE WERE LIED TO? THEY ALL TOLD US SEAT BELTS SAVED LIVES!!! THESE SEAT BELTS CAUSED THEIR DEATHS! FUCK ALL SEATBELTS!!! 

no, cause that would be incredibly stupid and irresponsible. but you'd be calling for the the public hanging of the guy who invented seat belts. 

would I ever say "man, too bad your mom was wearing her seat belt, eh?". no, again, cuz I'm not a fucking asshole. 

It's the second time you give the seat belt example.. really??..

and what was your response to the first one? haha

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

we don't have to. it's literally in the link you shared. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Did you really not even read what you posted as a link?  Dude.  Come on.  As HFD points out, it literally says it in the article. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Let's make it super easy for you, since reading can be challenging:

Covid vaccines are meant to prevent severe infection, and studies have indicated Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca’s vaccines are effective at preventing severe illnesses, hospitalizations and death. Meanwhile, the chances of having a neurological event after a Covid infection were up to 617-fold higher than following COVID vaccination, which suggests “the benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh the risks,” according to the Vaccine study researchers.

let's say this to the families who believe the lies and are now grieving..can you??..I wonder what you would say if one of yours were in that position.. 

You post an article and say "aha!".  But evidently you don't read the article for comprehension, and when the article states what we've saying here for the past few years, you say the article is lying.  WTF man.  Get it straight. 

100 safe and effective.. that was the lie.. you forget it already?

politicians may have said that. do you listen to politicians for your health advice?

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

I'm still waiting for 103 more names of footballers who Died Suddenly™ - by my count we've only got 5 out of 108. 

Google..

Merkin Baller said:

23scidoo said:

Merkin Baller said:

I'm still waiting for 103 more names of footballers who Died Suddenly™ - by my count we've only got 5 out of 108. 

Google..

Have you googled it?   

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

we don't have to. it's literally in the link you shared. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Did you really not even read what you posted as a link?  Dude.  Come on.  As HFD points out, it literally says it in the article. 

mrussel1 said:

23scidoo said:

And I'm waiting for your comment, "yes but the danger from COVID is bigger"..

Let's make it super easy for you, since reading can be challenging:

Covid vaccines are meant to prevent severe infection, and studies have indicated Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca’s vaccines are effective at preventing severe illnesses, hospitalizations and death. Meanwhile, the chances of having a neurological event after a Covid infection were up to 617-fold higher than following COVID vaccination, which suggests “the benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh the risks,” according to the Vaccine study researchers.

let's say this to the families who believe the lies and are now grieving..can you??..I wonder what you would say if one of yours were in that position.. 

You post an article and say "aha!".  But evidently you don't read the article for comprehension, and when the article states what we've saying here for the past few years, you say the article is lying.  WTF man.  Get it straight. 

100 safe and effective.. that was the lie.. you forget it already?

politicians may have said that. do you listen to politicians for your health advice?

Short memory here..no surprises..

We're not in Greece.  We don't know what your crazy-ass politicians say, but that's not our problem.  Over here, thinking people know to listen to the experts, the CDC.  And I showed you how their guidance is exactly COUNTER to what you said.  They said no vaccine is 100% safe or effective. So all of us that are arguing with you have basic common sense.  We know when are you talking about 300MM Americans, you don't use words like "100%", "never", "always".  Normal people know those statements are irresponsible.  

the experts imposed unscientific measures on you, did you forget that too??..