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  • mickeyrat said:
    What do you expect from a cult leader wannabe and his cultist followers?
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    mickeyrat said:
    The headline makes it sound like the grand daughter was in danger at one point. Looks like it was just an attempted break in and theft of an unmarked, unoccupied vehicle and the grand daughter was nowhere near it. Wonder why they thought it was necessary to open fire? I mean, many states don't even pursue stolen vehicles anymore and car thefts are on the rise, so this shouldn't surprise anyone that eventually an unmarked government vehicle was a target. 
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    mickeyrat said:
    The headline makes it sound like the grand daughter was in danger at one point. Looks like it was just an attempted break in and theft of an unmarked, unoccupied vehicle and the grand daughter was nowhere near it. Wonder why they thought it was necessary to open fire? I mean, many states don't even pursue stolen vehicles anymore and car thefts are on the rise, so this shouldn't surprise anyone that eventually an unmarked government vehicle was a target. 

    states arent secret service. this isnt just any gov vehicle. what kind of gear you think they have.  for all we know , a weapon was displayed by one or more of the three individuals.
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  • mace1229
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    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    The headline makes it sound like the grand daughter was in danger at one point. Looks like it was just an attempted break in and theft of an unmarked, unoccupied vehicle and the grand daughter was nowhere near it. Wonder why they thought it was necessary to open fire? I mean, many states don't even pursue stolen vehicles anymore and car thefts are on the rise, so this shouldn't surprise anyone that eventually an unmarked government vehicle was a target. 

    states arent secret service. this isnt just any gov vehicle. what kind of gear you think they have.  for all we know , a weapon was displayed by one or more of the three individuals.
    The articles described it as an unmarked and unoccupied vehicle. I doubt they knew it belonged to secret service, and how was anyone's life endangered to the point where lethal force was justified if it was unoccupied? If the car thieves drew a gun or pulled a knife when they were approached by the secret service, then that would obviously be a justified reason. But the 2 articles I read didn't mention it. Maybe that did happen and the media doesn't have the whole story, it's very possible. 
    But my other point was the headlines make it sound like the grand daughter was in danger. She wasn't even there. With the number of car break ins and thefts, them likely not even knowing it was a government vehicle, it being unoccupied during the break in, no one related to Biden was ever in any danger, seems like a story that's trying to get blown up to me. It's click bait. With headlines like "Secret Service protecting grand daughter of President Biden fire shots when SUV gets broken into,"  the media wants you to think the grand daughter was a target, until you click on the story and read it.
    There isn't much I could care less about as far as news stories go than an unoccupied and unmarked government vehicle getting broken into like thousands of other cars, doesn't seem like a news story to me.  
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  • What’s going on with Hunter’s laptop? Anyone? When are the indictments coming? Asking for a friend.
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    What’s going on with Hunter’s laptop? Anyone? When are the indictments coming? Asking for a friend.
    I don't know. Why don't you ask the 50 former intelligence officers that lied saying it was Russian disinformation and interfered with a Presidential election?
  • brianlux
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    The endless Hunter Biden laptop debate, lol.  It's like a gnat you just want to swat, innit?
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  • JB16057 said:
    What’s going on with Hunter’s laptop? Anyone? When are the indictments coming? Asking for a friend.
    I don't know. Why don't you ask the 50 former intelligence officers that lied saying it was Russian disinformation and interfered with a Presidential election?
    Sure, got their numbers?
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  • PJ_Soul
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    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mace1229 said:
    yeah, my house in 2005 was $113K. It's now close to $300K. it's insane. my house is a starter. we just never left. lol. $300K as a starter, even in CDN funds, is insanity. 
    That at least is over almost a 20 year period. You're seeing that growth in about 1/3 that time in a lot of the parts down here. Imagine buying your first home as a younger couple and paying 3-5 times the mortgage you did 20 years ago. Most people can't do it. 
    And now the boomers think today's 30-year-olds are too lazy to achieve their lifestyle. Good for my parents for their 1974 purchase of a $29,000 home now worth $300,000 but income hasn't grown at anything close to that clip.

    I'm absolutely blown away by the cost of housing nowadays. My wife and I (DINKs) spent $240,000 on ours and we just would not entertain $300,000. Meanwhile people making our money with kids are probably living in houses they payed $400,000 for and have two car payments. I don't know that I could endure the stress of that.

    Like you said in a post above, I also don't want my value to go down but this all is a huge problem and I (admittedly in an extremely privaledged position) would make that sacrifice if housing was much more affordable. I honestly don't know how some people even live indoors anymore.

    Morally speaking (i.e., with no thoughts on the market), a decent home should be very low six-figures. Given how much money people are making, that would serve us very well. Mansions that the common person cannot afford would still exist. Not everyone would have the perfect home, but they'd be able to get what they need without living check-to-check from age 25 to age 60.


    I agree and empathize with the plight of younger adults struggle to find affordable housing, and I agree with most everything you said.  What I don't understand is the "boomers" bashing.  What kind of shitty peers of mine are you hanging with? 
    I didn't see it as bashing either.
    I've been frustrated with the situation. I am paying the price for Boomers to have a better retirement than me, and it's frustrating.
    Teachers who retired 10 years ago are going to be much better off financially than when I retire. They are frequently increasing my contributions and lowering my pension.
    For example, when I first moved to Colorado I was paying something like 7.5% of my salary into my pension and would be getting something like 2.25% of my salary per year. Each year they'd raise it a little, so I was contributing closer to 9% by the end. So if I worked 30 years, I'd get 67.5% of my salary in retirement.
    But those who retired earlier paid less and received something like 3% per year into retirement. So they would have worked 30 years, paid less of their paycheck and gotten 90% of their salary in retirement.
    The problem is people were retiring earlier and living longer, so the only way to fund it was to make new hires pay more and get less. I believe they could raise your contribution amount, but I don't think they could change your retirement rate. That per year rate was locked in. Meaning if when you were first hired you were getting 3%, then that is was you got. But new hires were getting less and less. Every several years they'd drop the percent down slightly. Most states have the retirement posted if you look hard enough. Many are around 2% a year now, when it was much higher 30 years ago, meaning those retiring now are getting a lot more.
    I'm not mad at the boomers, it's not their fault. But it is frustrating, that I am paying for their retirement and will be getting less for my higher contributions. 
    And not just teachers, other public and state positions are similar, like law enforcement, etc.
    And that's not even factoring in the point OnWIs made, the 20k they paid for their first house that is now selling for 500.

    Kind of the same problem with my pension. As of now, there is an option to take a commuted value lump sum instead of monthly pension payments. So many of the boomers are taking the lump sum now that the pension fund is suffering from it. So all 3 unions who are in the pension group had vote on a new pension plan that gave more to everyone, but got rid of the lump sum payment. It would have fixed so many problems, and literally paid out $1000 more per month for most pensioners going forward. So what happened? The VAST majority of people voted to approve the new plan... But since all 3 unions needed to have a positive vote for it to pass, the tiny union local that is literally all boomers decided to fuck us all over because they still want to take the lump sum instead, since what do they care about reliable monthly payments for everyone? They paid off their mortgages decades ago. So about 8% made the decision for the other 92%. It was so so so frustrating.
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  • Damn you Brandon! When have you done anything for me, me, me lately!!!

    Meanwhile, the Biden administration today celebrated the drop of the inflation rate to zero for the month of October, meaning that prices did not rise at all between September and October. That flat month means the yearly inflation rate dropped to 3.2% for the past year. Much of that lower inflation rate reflects lower gasoline prices, which dropped 5% in October. 
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    Chiiiiiii-naaaaaa? But do you see how President Xi tells people to jump and they jump. Tough guy that Xi. One of the toughest. And smart. Very smart. Now, we have Brandon. No match. No match at all. No match.
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    https://apnews.com/article/biden-xi-apec-san-francisco-58d11e7e3902955302182c2bc41430e0   China's Xi tells Biden as talks open: 'Planet Earth is big enough for the two countries to succeed'

     
    China's Xi tells Biden as talks open: 'Planet Earth is big enough for the two countries to succeed'
    By AAMER MADHANI, COLLEEN LONG and DIDI TANG
    42 mins ago

    WOODSIDE, Calif. (AP) — U.S. President Joe Biden and China's Xi Jinping plunged into their first face-to-face meeting in a year Wednesday,, intent on working to stabilize fraught relations and showing the world that while they are global economic competitors they’re not locked in a winner-take-all faceoff.

    “Planet Earth is big enough for the two countries to succeed,” Xi told Biden.

    The U.S. president told Xi: “I think it’s paramount that you and I understand each other clearly, leader-to-leader, with no misconceptions or miscommunications. We have to ensure competition does not veer into conflict.”

    The two warmly shook hands as they made a red carpet entrance to a bucolic Northern California estate for hours of work on detangling a multitude of tensions. Their meeting, on the sidelines of the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference, has far-reaching implications for a world grappling with economic cross currents, conflicts in the Middle East and Europe, tensions in Taiwan and more.

    Both leaders acknowledged the importance of their relationship and the need for better coordination. But their differences shone through: Xi indicated he wants better cooperation — but on China's terms. And he sought to project strength to his domestic audience in the face of U.S. policies restricting imports from China and limiting technology transfers to Beijing.

    Biden, meanwhile, will also spend time this week in California working to highlight new alliances in the Indo Pacific and efforts to boost trade with other regional leaders.

    Xi, speaking through an interpreter, declared it “an objective fact that China and the United States are different in history, culture, social system and development.”

    The presidents and their respective aides on trade, the economy, national security and regional diplomacy gathered across from one another at a single long table, the culmination of negotiations between the two leaders' top aides over the past several months. It was Biden and Xi's first conversation of any kind since they met last November in Bali.

    They're seeking to build back to a stable baseline after already tense relations took a nosedive following the U.S. downing of a Chinese spy balloon that had traversed the continental U.S., and amid differences over the self-ruled island of Taiwan, China’s hacking of a Biden official’s emails and other matters.

    For Biden, Wednesday's meeting was a chance for the president to do what he believes he does best: in-person diplomacy.

    “As always, there's no substitute for face-to-face discussions,” he told Xi. With his characteristic optimism, Biden sketched a vision of leaders who manage competition “responsibly,” adding, "that's what the United States wants and what we intend to do.”

    Xi, for his part, was gloomy about the state of the post-pandemic global economy. China’s economy remains in the doldrums, with prices falling due to slack demand from consumers and businesses.

    “The global economy is recovering, but its momentum remains sluggish,” Xi said. “Industrial and supply chains are still under the threat of interruption and protectionism is rising. All these are grave problems."

    The relationship between China and the U.S. has never been smooth, he said. Still, it has kept moving forward. "For two large countries like China and the United States, turning their back on each other is not an option,” he said.

    More pointedly, Xi also suggested it was not up to the U.S. to dictate how the Chinese manage their affairs, saying, “It is unrealistic for one side to remodel the other, and conflict and confrontation has unbearable consequences for both sides.”

    Robert Moritz, global chairman for the consulting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers, said business leaders are hoping for signs of more cooperation and a firmer commitment to free trade between the world’s two largest economies following the Biden-Xi talks.

    “What we are looking for is a de-escalation and a bringing of the temperature down,” Mortiz said during a CEO summit being held in conjunction with the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum that has brought together leaders from 21 member economies.

    “Discussion isn’t good enough, it’s the execution on getting things done” that will matter, he said.

    The Biden-Xi meeting and broader summit events attracted protests around San Francisco, but the demonstrations were kept at distance. A large crowd loudly condemning Xi marched from the Chinese Consulate toward the summit venue at the Moscone Center nearly two miles away. Speakers implored the Biden administration to stand up to Xi and China's human rights violations.

    During their talks, Biden was expected to let Xi know that he would like China to use its sway over Iran to make clear that Tehran or its proxies should not take action that could lead to expansion of the Israel-Hamas war. The Biden administration sees the Chinese, a big buyer of Iranian oil, as having considerable leverage with Iran, which is a major backer of Hamas.

    Ahead of Wednesday's meeting, senior White House officials said Biden would walk away with more concrete results than from the leaders' last talks in November 2022. There will be agreements from China to help stop the flow of chemicals used in the production of illicit fentanyl, and to revive communications between the militaries -- increasingly important as incidents between the two nations’ ships and aircraft have spiked.

    While Biden was expected to defend U.S. expansion of export controls on semiconductor chips, he also was to assure Xi that the U.S. is not trying to wage economic war with Beijing.

    Xi, meanwhile, was looking for assurances from Biden that the U.S. will not support Taiwan independence, start a new Cold War or suppress China’s economic growth. He was also keen to show the U.S. that China is still a good place to invest.

    Late Wednesday, Xi was to address American business executives at a $2,000-per-plate dinner that will be a rare opportunity for U.S. business leaders to hear directly from the Chinese leader as they seek clarification on Beijing’s expanding security rules that may choke foreign investment.

    Foreign companies operating in China say that country's tensions with Washington over technology, trade and other issues and uncertainty over Chinese policies are damaging the business environment and causing some to reassess their plans for investing in the giant market.

    Even before Biden and Xi met, there were some signs of a thaw: The State Department on Tuesday announced that the U.S. and China -- two of the world's biggest polluters -- had agreed to pursue efforts to triple renewable energy capacity globally by 2030, through wind, solar and other renewables.

    Biden and Xi held their talks at Filoli Estate, a country house and museum about 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of San Francisco. The event was carefully staged, Biden first to arrive at the grand estate, then Xi. After their handshake and smiles they sat down with aides for talks that lasted more than two hours.

    Next came a working lunch with inner-circle members from both administrations. They ate ravioli, chicken and broccolini. Almond meringue cake and praline buttercream was for dessert.

    White House officials said Biden was coming into the talks bolstered by signs the U.S. economy is in a stronger position than China's, and that the U.S. is building stronger alliances throughout the Pacific.

    The U.S. president, speaking at a campaign fundraiser on Tuesday evening, pointed to the upcoming meeting as an example of how “reestablished American leadership in the world is taking hold.” As for China, the president told donors, it has ”real problems."

    ___

    Long and Tang reported from San Francisco. Associated Press journalists Zeke Miller, Sagar Meghani and Josh Boak in Washington and Michael Liedtke and Janie Har in San Francisco contributed to this report.


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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    mickeyrat said:
    https://apnews.com/article/biden-xi-apec-san-francisco-58d11e7e3902955302182c2bc41430e0   China's Xi tells Biden as talks open: 'Planet Earth is big enough for the two countries to succeed'

     
    China's Xi tells Biden as talks open: 'Planet Earth is big enough for the two countries to succeed'
    By AAMER MADHANI, COLLEEN LONG and DIDI TANG
    42 mins ago

    WOODSIDE, Calif. (AP) — U.S. President Joe Biden and China's Xi Jinping plunged into their first face-to-face meeting in a year Wednesday,, intent on working to stabilize fraught relations and showing the world that while they are global economic competitors they’re not locked in a winner-take-all faceoff.

    “Planet Earth is big enough for the two countries to succeed,” Xi told Biden.

    The U.S. president told Xi: “I think it’s paramount that you and I understand each other clearly, leader-to-leader, with no misconceptions or miscommunications. We have to ensure competition does not veer into conflict.”

    The two warmly shook hands as they made a red carpet entrance to a bucolic Northern California estate for hours of work on detangling a multitude of tensions. Their meeting, on the sidelines of the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference, has far-reaching implications for a world grappling with economic cross currents, conflicts in the Middle East and Europe, tensions in Taiwan and more.

    Both leaders acknowledged the importance of their relationship and the need for better coordination. But their differences shone through: Xi indicated he wants better cooperation — but on China's terms. And he sought to project strength to his domestic audience in the face of U.S. policies restricting imports from China and limiting technology transfers to Beijing.

    Biden, meanwhile, will also spend time this week in California working to highlight new alliances in the Indo Pacific and efforts to boost trade with other regional leaders.

    Xi, speaking through an interpreter, declared it “an objective fact that China and the United States are different in history, culture, social system and development.”

    The presidents and their respective aides on trade, the economy, national security and regional diplomacy gathered across from one another at a single long table, the culmination of negotiations between the two leaders' top aides over the past several months. It was Biden and Xi's first conversation of any kind since they met last November in Bali.

    They're seeking to build back to a stable baseline after already tense relations took a nosedive following the U.S. downing of a Chinese spy balloon that had traversed the continental U.S., and amid differences over the self-ruled island of Taiwan, China’s hacking of a Biden official’s emails and other matters.

    For Biden, Wednesday's meeting was a chance for the president to do what he believes he does best: in-person diplomacy.

    “As always, there's no substitute for face-to-face discussions,” he told Xi. With his characteristic optimism, Biden sketched a vision of leaders who manage competition “responsibly,” adding, "that's what the United States wants and what we intend to do.”

    Xi, for his part, was gloomy about the state of the post-pandemic global economy. China’s economy remains in the doldrums, with prices falling due to slack demand from consumers and businesses.

    “The global economy is recovering, but its momentum remains sluggish,” Xi said. “Industrial and supply chains are still under the threat of interruption and protectionism is rising. All these are grave problems."

    The relationship between China and the U.S. has never been smooth, he said. Still, it has kept moving forward. "For two large countries like China and the United States, turning their back on each other is not an option,” he said.

    More pointedly, Xi also suggested it was not up to the U.S. to dictate how the Chinese manage their affairs, saying, “It is unrealistic for one side to remodel the other, and conflict and confrontation has unbearable consequences for both sides.”

    Robert Moritz, global chairman for the consulting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers, said business leaders are hoping for signs of more cooperation and a firmer commitment to free trade between the world’s two largest economies following the Biden-Xi talks.

    “What we are looking for is a de-escalation and a bringing of the temperature down,” Mortiz said during a CEO summit being held in conjunction with the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum that has brought together leaders from 21 member economies.

    “Discussion isn’t good enough, it’s the execution on getting things done” that will matter, he said.

    The Biden-Xi meeting and broader summit events attracted protests around San Francisco, but the demonstrations were kept at distance. A large crowd loudly condemning Xi marched from the Chinese Consulate toward the summit venue at the Moscone Center nearly two miles away. Speakers implored the Biden administration to stand up to Xi and China's human rights violations.

    During their talks, Biden was expected to let Xi know that he would like China to use its sway over Iran to make clear that Tehran or its proxies should not take action that could lead to expansion of the Israel-Hamas war. The Biden administration sees the Chinese, a big buyer of Iranian oil, as having considerable leverage with Iran, which is a major backer of Hamas.

    Ahead of Wednesday's meeting, senior White House officials said Biden would walk away with more concrete results than from the leaders' last talks in November 2022. There will be agreements from China to help stop the flow of chemicals used in the production of illicit fentanyl, and to revive communications between the militaries -- increasingly important as incidents between the two nations’ ships and aircraft have spiked.

    While Biden was expected to defend U.S. expansion of export controls on semiconductor chips, he also was to assure Xi that the U.S. is not trying to wage economic war with Beijing.

    Xi, meanwhile, was looking for assurances from Biden that the U.S. will not support Taiwan independence, start a new Cold War or suppress China’s economic growth. He was also keen to show the U.S. that China is still a good place to invest.

    Late Wednesday, Xi was to address American business executives at a $2,000-per-plate dinner that will be a rare opportunity for U.S. business leaders to hear directly from the Chinese leader as they seek clarification on Beijing’s expanding security rules that may choke foreign investment.

    Foreign companies operating in China say that country's tensions with Washington over technology, trade and other issues and uncertainty over Chinese policies are damaging the business environment and causing some to reassess their plans for investing in the giant market.

    Even before Biden and Xi met, there were some signs of a thaw: The State Department on Tuesday announced that the U.S. and China -- two of the world's biggest polluters -- had agreed to pursue efforts to triple renewable energy capacity globally by 2030, through wind, solar and other renewables.

    Biden and Xi held their talks at Filoli Estate, a country house and museum about 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of San Francisco. The event was carefully staged, Biden first to arrive at the grand estate, then Xi. After their handshake and smiles they sat down with aides for talks that lasted more than two hours.

    Next came a working lunch with inner-circle members from both administrations. They ate ravioli, chicken and broccolini. Almond meringue cake and praline buttercream was for dessert.

    White House officials said Biden was coming into the talks bolstered by signs the U.S. economy is in a stronger position than China's, and that the U.S. is building stronger alliances throughout the Pacific.

    The U.S. president, speaking at a campaign fundraiser on Tuesday evening, pointed to the upcoming meeting as an example of how “reestablished American leadership in the world is taking hold.” As for China, the president told donors, it has ”real problems."

    ___

    Long and Tang reported from San Francisco. Associated Press journalists Zeke Miller, Sagar Meghani and Josh Boak in Washington and Michael Liedtke and Janie Har in San Francisco contributed to this report.


    a gop president would have told xi "this here planet ain't big enough for the both of us."

    this is why we need real leadership like trump and w.

    LETH GO BINDEN!!!
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    JB16057 said:
    What’s going on with Hunter’s laptop? Anyone? When are the indictments coming? Asking for a friend.
    I don't know. Why don't you ask the 50 former intelligence officers that lied saying it was Russian disinformation and interfered with a Presidential election?
    Free speech and opinions are election interference now.  There oughta be a law...
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    JB16057 said:
    What’s going on with Hunter’s laptop? Anyone? When are the indictments coming? Asking for a friend.
    I don't know. Why don't you ask the 50 former intelligence officers that lied saying it was Russian disinformation and interfered with a Presidential election?
    But...if there isn't anything of substance on there doesn't that lean toward disinformation? For years you people have been going on and on about the laptop being a smoking gun and it has been completely useless other than a few dick pics.
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