Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mickeyrat said:

fuck these polls.

seriously. who conducted them? what questions were asked. how were the questions asked. how respondents were contacted.

we just accept tesults withoit knowing pertinent information?

wtf.

Nah, Mickey....I don't think ignoring and dismissing them is wise. I think there is cause for concern...however I also think most people have no idea how inundated they will be with daily reminders of how terrible a person Trump is next year. 

I don't think there's ever been this many variables at play as there will be in this upcoming election...and that is saying something after 2020.

100% pure unadulterated chaos awaits us in the next 12 months. 

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.

Why is Biden's age a problem and trump's isn't? 

Because the hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.

mickeyrat said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

fuck these polls.

seriously. who conducted them? what questions were asked. how were the questions asked. how respondents were contacted.

we just accept tesults withoit knowing pertinent information?

wtf.

Nah, Mickey....I don't think ignoring and dismissing them is wise. I think there is cause for concern...however I also think most people have no idea how inundated they will be with daily reminders of how terrible a person Trump is next year. 

I don't think there's ever been this many variables at play as there will be in this upcoming election...and that is saying something after 2020.

100% pure unadulterated chaos awaits us in the next 12 months. 

ok. most polling is done by targeting actual voters/likely voters , no?

Whole lot of Gen Z/Millenials haven't exactly established voting habits, no?

How much stock can we honestly put in these when they have been so fucking wrong, so consistently?

They were not off by a whole lot in 2020. 

OnWis97 said:

Merkin Baller said:

OnWis97 said:

If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.

Why is Biden's age a problem and trump's isn't? 

Because the hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.

For the GOP voter, sure, we know that... but personally, I can't subscribe to the nonsense narrative  that Biden's age is a problem and trump's isn't. 

mickeyrat said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

fuck these polls.

seriously. who conducted them? what questions were asked. how were the questions asked. how respondents were contacted.

we just accept tesults withoit knowing pertinent information?

wtf.

Nah, Mickey....I don't think ignoring and dismissing them is wise. I think there is cause for concern...however I also think most people have no idea how inundated they will be with daily reminders of how terrible a person Trump is next year. 

I don't think there's ever been this many variables at play as there will be in this upcoming election...and that is saying something after 2020.

100% pure unadulterated chaos awaits us in the next 12 months. 

ok. most polling is done by targeting actual voters/likely voters , no?

Whole lot of Gen Z/Millenials haven't exactly established voting habits, no?

How much stock can we honestly put in these when they have been so fucking wrong, so consistently?

They were not off by a whole lot in 2020. 

they certainly were last year. red wave anyone?

Okay that is true to an extent. It's tougher now than before to obtain accurate polling data. But the other side of that red way coin is I think a lot of the younger vote, who largely denied the red wave, is in flux with the Israeli war. Almost seems like a no win situation there for Biden.

My larger point is to not just close your eyes and pretend the polling isn't what it is. That is what maga has done for the last 6 years to their detriment. 

gimmesometruth27 said:

OnWis97 said:

If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.

hard disagree here. biden destroyed trump in 2020. he will do it again. the young and diverse voters that biden attracted against trump carried him to a big victory. that said, biden is pissing off those young voter because of his blanket support of the israeli government.

you are looking at polls taken by calling home phones of just over 3000 people. nobody has home phones anymore so the sample is completely flawed.

True....however you can't just put your head in the sand and ignore the polls. That is what maga has done for years while losing election after election cycle...

gimmesometruth27 said:

OnWis97 said:

If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.

hard disagree here. biden destroyed trump in 2020. he will do it again. the young and diverse voters that biden attracted against trump carried him to a big victory. that said, biden is pissing off those young voter because of his blanket support of the israeli government.

you are looking at polls taken by calling home phones of just over 3000 people. nobody has home phones anymore so the sample is completely flawed.

Good to see.

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

The Juggler said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

OnWis97 said:

If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.

hard disagree here. biden destroyed trump in 2020. he will do it again. the young and diverse voters that biden attracted against trump carried him to a big victory. that said, biden is pissing off those young voter because of his blanket support of the israeli government.

you are looking at polls taken by calling home phones of just over 3000 people. nobody has home phones anymore so the sample is completely flawed.

True....however you can't just put your head in the sand and ignore the polls. That is what maga has done for years while losing election after election cycle...

do not forget that maga loses an election cycle and they do not learn from it. they double down and come back far more hardcore right, ignoring the fact that this is why people do not vote for them.

i still say polls a year out, calling old people who sit at home all day and have home phones that watch fox news, are probably not the most reliable indicator of where our body politic is at any given moment. that is not the reality we live in today. most people do not have home phones, and most people do not actually answer the phone when strange phone numbers call.

You're essentially calling the polls fake news for different reasons maga's called it fake news.

If the polling showed the opposite results, I think you'd be singing a different tune today. 

While polling provides some useful information, it's hardly the bellweather it was 10 years ago. I didn't buy the Hillary polls because of what my eyes and ears told me in the real world and I don't buy these recent polls because my eyes and ears don't hear or see this in any of my real life settings. The hard-core MAGAs still have their stupid flags and signs, but I don't think it goes much beyond that.

This most recent poll seems to be trying to push dems to force Biden out when they have no contingency plan. I think that is a terrible idea and would play right in to republican hands. Trump doesn't win shit. I can't say that with 100% accuracy, but I do say it with high confidence. I live in a red rural area and my neighbors are gonna vote red no matter who, even Trump. I don't think Trump or Biden have gained voters, which seems absurd, at least for Biden, but neither has bled many voters either so it's basically a repeat.

I don't want old man Biden another 4 years, but I don't think he's doing anything not to get elected.