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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,874
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    hard disagree here. biden destroyed trump in 2020. he will do it again. the young and diverse voters that biden attracted against trump carried him to a big victory. that said, biden is pissing off those young voter because of his blanket support of the israeli government.

    you are looking at polls taken by calling home phones of just over 3000 people. nobody has home phones anymore so the sample is completely flawed.
    True....however you can't just put your head in the sand and ignore the polls. That is what maga has done for years while losing election after election cycle...


    do not forget that maga loses an election cycle and they do not learn from it. they double down and come back far more hardcore right, ignoring the fact that this is why people do not vote for them.

    i still say polls a year out, calling old people who sit at home all day and have home phones that watch fox news, are probably not the most reliable indicator of where our body politic is at any given moment. that is not the reality we live in today. most people do not have home phones, and most people do not actually answer the phone when strange phone numbers call.
    You're essentially calling the polls fake news for different reasons maga's called it fake news.

    If the polling showed the opposite results, I think you'd be singing a different tune today. 
    i would not take stock in any polls 52 weeks before an election. it is probably a good rule of thumb these days because polls do not reflect the population as a whole.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • The Juggler
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    mickeyrat said:

    See, now....do you believe that one and not the others though? 

    CNN poll tonight has trump up 4. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,874
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:

    i'm not buying it for the same reasons i stated above.

    polls do not make results. voting does.

    unless you are a republican where votes that go against you are simply fake and fraudulent.
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  • mrussel1
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    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    I don't think it's a fair question.  There is no campaign.  There are no ads, no attacks, no reminding of who Trump is.  I also don't really believe the polls anymore.  I think they keep hitting the same people.  I say this as someone who answered one text poll in VA and then got bombed for weeks.  

    I think tonight is a big deal.  If D's perform well or over-perform, it will prove yet again that the polls are under-counting D support.  So let's see how tonight goes.  If it's a good night, people will quiet down about Biden.  If R's win the night, the pressure on Team Biden will be huge. 

    And Andy Brashear may be your next D candidate for president after tonight.  This could be a very important evening. 
  • mrussel1
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    Biden
    The JugNogler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    hard disagree here. biden destroyed trump in 2020. he will do it again. the young and diverse voters that biden attracted against trump carried him to a big victory. that said, biden is pissing off those young voter because of his blanket support of the israeli government.

    you are looking at polls taken by calling home phones of just over 3000 people. nobody has home phones anymore so the sample is completely flawed.
    True....however you can't just put your head in the sand and ignore the polls. That is what maga has done for years while losing election after election cycle...


    do not forget that maga loses an election cycle and they do not learn from it. they double down and come back far more hardcore right, ignoring the fact that this is why people do not vote for them.

    i still say polls a year out, calling old people who sit at home all day and have home phones that watch fox news, are probably not the most reliable indicator of where our body politic is at any given moment. that is not the reality we live in today. most people do not have home phones, and most people do not actually answer the phone when strange phone numbers call.
    You're essentially calling the polls fake news for different reasons maga's called it fake news.

    If the polling showed the opposite results, I think you'd be singing a different tune today. 
    Not really.  I think the polls are consistently understating the share of the electorate that is D vs R.  This is critical to having accurate polls.  This is why Rasmussen always polls better on the R side, because they think there are more R's than other polling outfits.  I think that is may be what is happening.  So to be clear, I think there's a math issue with the polls.  MAGA thinks they are 'fake' and rigged.  I still believe in statistics, but the underlying assumptions have to be right.  We'll see. 
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,208
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    I don't think it's a fair question.  There is no campaign.  There are no ads, no attacks, no reminding of who Trump is.  I also don't really believe the polls anymore.  I think they keep hitting the same people.  I say this as someone who answered one text poll in VA and then got bombed for weeks.  

    I think tonight is a big deal.  If D's perform well or over-perform, it will prove yet again that the polls are under-counting D support.  So let's see how tonight goes.  If it's a good night, people will quiet down about Biden.  If R's win the night, the pressure on Team Biden will be huge. 

    And Andy Brashear may be your next D candidate for president after tonight.  This could be a very important evening. 
    Who?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,874
    edited November 2023
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    I don't think it's a fair question.  There is no campaign.  There are no ads, no attacks, no reminding of who Trump is.  I also don't really believe the polls anymore.  I think they keep hitting the same people.  I say this as someone who answered one text poll in VA and then got bombed for weeks.  

    I think tonight is a big deal.  If D's perform well or over-perform, it will prove yet again that the polls are under-counting D support.  So let's see how tonight goes.  If it's a good night, people will quiet down about Biden.  If R's win the night, the pressure on Team Biden will be huge. 

    And Andy Brashear may be your next D candidate for president after tonight.  This could be a very important evening. 
    they are calling the ohio race for the dem incumbent. also the abortion issue passed. 

    trump candidates are not doing very well at this point in time tonight.

    like i said, polls do not make the results. voters do.
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  • mrussel1
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    Biden
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    I don't think it's a fair question.  There is no campaign.  There are no ads, no attacks, no reminding of who Trump is.  I also don't really believe the polls anymore.  I think they keep hitting the same people.  I say this as someone who answered one text poll in VA and then got bombed for weeks.  

    I think tonight is a big deal.  If D's perform well or over-perform, it will prove yet again that the polls are under-counting D support.  So let's see how tonight goes.  If it's a good night, people will quiet down about Biden.  If R's win the night, the pressure on Team Biden will be huge. 

    And Andy Brashear may be your next D candidate for president after tonight.  This could be a very important evening. 
    Who?
    Sorry, Beshear.  I should probably get that right.  

    I didn't know that was called already.  If that's right, HUGE.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    edited November 2023
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    I don't think it's a fair question.  There is no campaign.  There are no ads, no attacks, no reminding of who Trump is.  I also don't really believe the polls anymore.  I think they keep hitting the same people.  I say this as someone who answered one text poll in VA and then got bombed for weeks.  

    I think tonight is a big deal.  If D's perform well or over-perform, it will prove yet again that the polls are under-counting D support.  So let's see how tonight goes.  If it's a good night, people will quiet down about Biden.  If R's win the night, the pressure on Team Biden will be huge. 

    And Andy Brashear may be your next D candidate for president after tonight.  This could be a very important evening. 
    they are calling the ohio race for brashear. also the abortion issue passed. 

    trump candidates are not doing very well at this point in time tonight.

    like i said, polls do not make the results. voters do.
    Kentucky, not Ohio.  Those of us from Northern Ohio take great offense to this type of error.  

    And I agree, it's voters.  We've had a consistent theme of D's going 5 points above the polling. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,874
    Biden
    beshear flipped letcher county. a county trump won by nearly 60 points.

    this is bad news for the gop.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,874
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    I don't think it's a fair question.  There is no campaign.  There are no ads, no attacks, no reminding of who Trump is.  I also don't really believe the polls anymore.  I think they keep hitting the same people.  I say this as someone who answered one text poll in VA and then got bombed for weeks.  

    I think tonight is a big deal.  If D's perform well or over-perform, it will prove yet again that the polls are under-counting D support.  So let's see how tonight goes.  If it's a good night, people will quiet down about Biden.  If R's win the night, the pressure on Team Biden will be huge. 

    And Andy Brashear may be your next D candidate for president after tonight.  This could be a very important evening. 
    they are calling the ohio race for brashear. also the abortion issue passed. 

    trump candidates are not doing very well at this point in time tonight.

    like i said, polls do not make the results. voters do.
    Kentucky, not Ohio.  Those of us from Northern Ohio take great offense to this type of error.  

    And I agree, it's voters.  We've had a consistent theme of D's going 5 points above the polling. 
    yeah i mixed up beshear and the ohio governor. sorry, been a long day.
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  • static111
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    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    I don't think it's a fair question.  There is no campaign.  There are no ads, no attacks, no reminding of who Trump is.  I also don't really believe the polls anymore.  I think they keep hitting the same people.  I say this as someone who answered one text poll in VA and then got bombed for weeks.  

    I think tonight is a big deal.  If D's perform well or over-perform, it will prove yet again that the polls are under-counting D support.  So let's see how tonight goes.  If it's a good night, people will quiet down about Biden.  If R's win the night, the pressure on Team Biden will be huge. 

    And Andy Brashear may be your next D candidate for president after tonight.  This could be a very important evening. 
    Who?
    Sorry, Beshear.  I should probably get that right.  

    I didn't know that was called already.  If that's right, HUGE.  
    I mean there are plenty of Dems with name recognition, Whitmer, Buttigieg(sp?) that people have heard of and think would do well.  Until I read your post I had no idea who the governor of Kentucky was.
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  • mrussel1
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    Biden
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    I don't think it's a fair question.  There is no campaign.  There are no ads, no attacks, no reminding of who Trump is.  I also don't really believe the polls anymore.  I think they keep hitting the same people.  I say this as someone who answered one text poll in VA and then got bombed for weeks.  

    I think tonight is a big deal.  If D's perform well or over-perform, it will prove yet again that the polls are under-counting D support.  So let's see how tonight goes.  If it's a good night, people will quiet down about Biden.  If R's win the night, the pressure on Team Biden will be huge. 

    And Andy Brashear may be your next D candidate for president after tonight.  This could be a very important evening. 
    Who?
    Sorry, Beshear.  I should probably get that right.  

    I didn't know that was called already.  If that's right, HUGE.  
    I mean there are plenty of Dems with name recognition, Whitmer, Buttigieg(sp?) that people have heard of and think would do well.  Until I read your post I had no idea who the governor of Kentucky was.
    Winning two elections in a deep red state is impressive. I think the Ds are building a really strong bench of governors

  • mrussel1
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    Biden
    Looking good VA Democrats.  Earned at least a split of the Senate with at least one more looking locked in.  Could win as many as 52 in the House.  This is looking good too.  I expected to retain the Senate and the Delegates to stay with the R.  Good chance the D's win back both.  This would seriously damage Youngkin's aspirations.  He put all of his chips in on winning both chambers.  He campaigned like crazy and was all over tv.  
  • gimmesometruth27
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    Biden
    how long until someone says it was "stollen"?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Well, despite the great news coming out of Virginny, Ohio and Kentucky and knowing Mississippi ain’t changing in my lifetime, when Brandon loses the election, he should just claim it was rigged, refuse to leave the White House and call forth all the BLM’ers and Antiiiiiifa to storm the capitol and prevent the certification of the electoral college vote. That’d be acceptable, right?
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  • The Juggler
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    edited November 2023
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    The Juggler said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    If the election were held today, Trump beats Biden pretty easily. I know Biden's old (but, hey, who isn't in this election?) but that this is even possible, much less likely, says something about who America is today.

    Part of me thinks the best way to serve his country right now is for Joe to say "time for me to retire. I won't be running for re-election." The only hesitancy I have is that the Dems don't really have any good candidates waiting on the bench. That said, someone under 80 that isn't a retread of the past 15 years might have a chance to beat the polarizing wannabe autocrat.
    hard disagree here. biden destroyed trump in 2020. he will do it again. the young and diverse voters that biden attracted against trump carried him to a big victory. that said, biden is pissing off those young voter because of his blanket support of the israeli government.

    you are looking at polls taken by calling home phones of just over 3000 people. nobody has home phones anymore so the sample is completely flawed.
    True....however you can't just put your head in the sand and ignore the polls. That is what maga has done for years while losing election after election cycle...


    do not forget that maga loses an election cycle and they do not learn from it. they double down and come back far more hardcore right, ignoring the fact that this is why people do not vote for them.

    i still say polls a year out, calling old people who sit at home all day and have home phones that watch fox news, are probably not the most reliable indicator of where our body politic is at any given moment. that is not the reality we live in today. most people do not have home phones, and most people do not actually answer the phone when strange phone numbers call.
    You're essentially calling the polls fake news for different reasons maga's called it fake news.

    If the polling showed the opposite results, I think you'd be singing a different tune today. 
    i would not take stock in any polls 52 weeks before an election. it is probably a good rule of thumb these days because polls do not reflect the population as a whole.
    Well you should take all polls with a grain of salt of course. It's not an exact science. But the polls 52 weeks out of the last presidential election were a pretty good indicator of Biden's overall strength verses Trump. 

    Last night showed polling being relatively on point with voter's preferring dem polices verses republicans' and we've seen that play out over the last few years. 

    The issue dems need to work on is Biden himself. You can see that in the polling that has a generic dem soundly defeating Trump while Biden is essentially tied or down to him.

    But the fact that voters prefer dem policies shows that this is a problem they can correct over the next year. I would not ignore negative polling, that is a recipe for disaster. I would, instead, use it as a wake up call. 
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