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Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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You are talking about voting FOR a speaker. I'm talking about voting OUT the speaker. These are two different things that keep getting confused somehow.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
To answer your questions: In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Trying to work together is not inability to lead. It is the opposite. Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car? The US Government as a whole is a clown show. I'd rather the GOP argue until they get it right instead of just electing the next person in line.0 -
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.0 -
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.0 -
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
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Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
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“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Got it, no admission, no accountability. Democrats and Republicans will continue to do what Democrats and Republicans have done in House Speaker elections for 100 years - and if Republicans fail given the same reality and conditions of other House Speakership elections, they're irrefutably incompetent at leading. No one gets to drive the clown car because of that.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
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The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.0 -
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Are those listed by order of your priority as well? Or is this just another confusing post of yours? You know, “dems suck” followed by “great accomplishments.”JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Or acknowledging that Brandon won the election? POOTWH slinked out of town like the weasel he is.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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That link is only an archive. I'm sure all of that other stuff will get added when he becomes president again just to rub it in Democrat faces.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.0 -
Please provide a list of 10 of “all the other stuff” in order of priority to you personally to “rub it in dems faces.”JB16057 said:
That link is only an archive. I'm sure all of that other stuff will get added when he becomes president again just to rub it in Democrat faces.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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No thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please provide a list of 10 of “all the other stuff” in order of priority to you personally to “rub it in dems faces.”JB16057 said:
That link is only an archive. I'm sure all of that other stuff will get added when he becomes president again just to rub it in Democrat faces.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.0 -
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.Scio me nihil scire
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Dems voted to oust a speaker that broke a number of deals and compromises and can't be trusted to work across the aisle.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.Scio me nihil scire
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I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.static111 said:
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.0 -
All the dems’ fault. Clown Car Cult.
House Republicans emerged from today's closed-door meeting that went on for more than three hours with a new plan: Scrap the resolution that would empower interim Speaker Patrick McHenry and go forward with more floor votes for Jim Jordan's speakership bid.
Members left the room saying that Jordan said it was his intention to hold another floor vote today instead of moving forward with a resolution to expand McHenry's powers.
But another floor vote would be contingent on three things – all of which have caveats – and show how unrealistic and steep Jordan's hill is to climb.
According to Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie: Jordan needs to call his wife; speak to as many of the 22 GOP members who voted against him as he can to see if they are movable; and have a discussion with Kevin McCarthy about whether the former speaker would nominate him on the House floor.
Most of the 22 Republicans who voted against Jordan on the second ballot yesterday have said they are firm in their position. Some have even received threats as the result of their opposition to Jordan. Massie said a number of the 22 members are not answering Jordan's calls.
GOP Rep. Dave Joyce, who has been leading the charge on the McHenry measure, signaled that he isn’t walking away from his resolution completely, warning he could still bring it up at any time. He said he will continue to work and is still worried about a House that is not acting.
CNN's Lauren Fox, Clare Foran, Sam Fossum and Manu Raju contributed reporting to this post.
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