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What are you afraid of?JB16057 said:
No thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please provide a list of 10 of “all the other stuff” in order of priority to you personally to “rub it in dems faces.”JB16057 said:
That link is only an archive. I'm sure all of that other stuff will get added when he becomes president again just to rub it in Democrat faces.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Republicans called for a vote to oust a speaker. That speaker broke deals with the democrats talked trash on national TV and press about them, couldn't keep his own party in line and was ineffective at his job and was proven untrustworthy. Of course they would vote to remove him. That isn't siding with MAGA, far from it. Taking a stand to try to reach a middle ground is more like it. But the GOP doesn't seem to want to meet in the middle anymore, more or less they want to yank things to the right and call it winning even though a majority of citizens don't share the views that the elected Rs are pushing for. I disagree with your belief that leaving an untrustworthy backstabbing finger pointer at the helm of the house would have been better for the country.JB16057 said:
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.static111 said:
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
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Wasting even more of my time.Halifax2TheMax said:
What are you afraid of?JB16057 said:
No thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please provide a list of 10 of “all the other stuff” in order of priority to you personally to “rub it in dems faces.”JB16057 said:
That link is only an archive. I'm sure all of that other stuff will get added when he becomes president again just to rub it in Democrat faces.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.0 -
You make some good points and I appreciate you being fair and nice.static111 said:
Republicans called for a vote to oust a speaker. That speaker broke deals with the democrats talked trash on national TV and press about them, couldn't keep his own party in line and was ineffective at his job and was proven untrustworthy. Of course they would vote to remove him. That isn't siding with MAGA, far from it. Taking a stand to try to reach a middle ground is more like it. But the GOP doesn't seem to want to meet in the middle anymore, more or less they want to yank things to the right and call it winning even though a majority of citizens don't share the views that the elected Rs are pushing for. I disagree with your belief that leaving an untrustworthy backstabbing finger pointer at the helm of the house would have been better for the country.JB16057 said:
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.static111 said:
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
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Feel free to walk away without being understood. It’s okay.JB16057 said:
Wasting even more of my time.Halifax2TheMax said:
What are you afraid of?JB16057 said:
No thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please provide a list of 10 of “all the other stuff” in order of priority to you personally to “rub it in dems faces.”JB16057 said:
That link is only an archive. I'm sure all of that other stuff will get added when he becomes president again just to rub it in Democrat faces.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Thank you for your permission.Halifax2TheMax said:
Feel free to walk away without being understood. It’s okay.JB16057 said:
Wasting even more of my time.Halifax2TheMax said:
What are you afraid of?JB16057 said:
No thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please provide a list of 10 of “all the other stuff” in order of priority to you personally to “rub it in dems faces.”JB16057 said:
That link is only an archive. I'm sure all of that other stuff will get added when he becomes president again just to rub it in Democrat faces.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
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His points are reasonable, rational, and 100% accurate.JB16057 said:
You make some good points and I appreciate you being fair and nice.static111 said:
Republicans called for a vote to oust a speaker. That speaker broke deals with the democrats talked trash on national TV and press about them, couldn't keep his own party in line and was ineffective at his job and was proven untrustworthy. Of course they would vote to remove him. That isn't siding with MAGA, far from it. Taking a stand to try to reach a middle ground is more like it. But the GOP doesn't seem to want to meet in the middle anymore, more or less they want to yank things to the right and call it winning even though a majority of citizens don't share the views that the elected Rs are pushing for. I disagree with your belief that leaving an untrustworthy backstabbing finger pointer at the helm of the house would have been better for the country.JB16057 said:
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.static111 said:
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
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You don’t need my permission to stop wasting your time.JB16057 said:
Thank you for your permission.Halifax2TheMax said:
Feel free to walk away without being understood. It’s okay.JB16057 said:
Wasting even more of my time.Halifax2TheMax said:
What are you afraid of?JB16057 said:
No thanks.Halifax2TheMax said:
Please provide a list of 10 of “all the other stuff” in order of priority to you personally to “rub it in dems faces.”JB16057 said:
That link is only an archive. I'm sure all of that other stuff will get added when he becomes president again just to rub it in Democrat faces.Gern Blansten said:
Does that link include insurrection and all the shit that everyone is pleading guilty to?JB16057 said:
The list is too long to post and I know you'll deny it anyways so here you go: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/Halifax2TheMax said:
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”JB16057 said:
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.Halifax2TheMax said:
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.JB16057 said:
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.Merkin Baller said:
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.benjs said:
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
The cult has a firm grasp.
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All the dems’ fault:
There’s little expectation that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) can be elected speaker on a third ballot, so the big question if he seeks one is whether he wins more or fewer votes than he did on Wednesday — and, if it’s fewer, how many Republicans who supported him in the first two rounds drop off.
One notable Republican who won’t be backing Jordan: Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.), a moderate and the co-chair of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, one of House Republicans’ “five families.” Fitzpatrick voted for Jordan in both of the first two rounds even as several other moderates refused to do so, but he said Thursday afternoon that he’d switched his allegiance to Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.) after Jordan backed a plan to empower McHenry temporarily.
“I’d be voting for McHenry today,” Fitzpatrick told reporters. “And if it comes to a vote, that’s who I’m backing.”
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clearly math has a liberal biasJB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
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i take that as a compliment coming from you. thanks.Out of My Mind and Time said:
Every day. Every. Single. Day.gimmesometruth27 said:
cool., i wasn't sure. its easy to see how people could think my posts are dumb, hahatbergs said:
@gimmesometruth27 No, those positing the democrats are at fault. Batshit crazy and disconnected from reality.gimmesometruth27 said:
who, me?tbergs said:Must be one of the dumbest people alive to post such stupid statements. Brain cells are at a premium it seems."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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so who is going to be speaker now? i heard jordan was backing out."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Is he? I thought he had backed giving the temp guy more, limited power until January 3rd, then reneged on that and said there’d be a third vote on him as speaker? Did he renege on that now as well? If so, what a circus of the (oc)cult. Dark times in the alternate universe of republand.gimmesometruth27 said:so who is going to be speaker now? i heard jordan was backing out.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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It’s all the dems’ fault Gym can’t lead and is known as a “legislative terrorist’ among his own. Bahahahahahahaha! Ol Rushbo is spinning in his grave! Double Bahahahahahahaha! And blaming dems from his perch in hell.
There are few things Congress loves more than a short-term solution to a long-term problem — something to help it forestall difficult decisions and paper over divisions in hopes that, at some later date, these problems will magically disappear.
House Republicans can’t even agree upon trying that right now.
Thursday brought one of the most embarrassing episodes yet in the GOP’s arduous 16-day quest to find someone — anyone — who can get the votes to be House speaker. With the realization that that might not be possible at this juncture apparently setting in, Republicans set about forging a temporary fix that seemed potentially agreeable to much of the House: giving acting speaker pro tempore Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.) more power to conduct vital business while everyone figured out a longer-term solution.
GOP speaker-nominee Jim Jordan even endorsed the plan, apparently believing that time could heal the wounds suffered by his sputtering speaker bid and give him another shot later on.
Then the party summarily rejected Jordan’s leadership — again.
Jordan announced Thursday afternoon that the plan was no longer in the works.
“We made the pitch to members on the resolution, as a way to lower the temperature and get back to work,” Jordan said. “We decided that wasn’t where we’re going to go.”
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McCarthy broke his promise to Biden on the deal they cut. Why would the D's support him? McCarthy also blamed the D's for the clean bill that passed the House. You expect the GOP to hold McCarthy accountable, but not the D's? This can't be your argument.JB16057 said:
McCarthy broke his promises to the GOP about becoming speaker. Some decided to hold him accountable for it. We have a branch of government that's completely shut down now which hurts all of us.The Juggler said:
Uh huh....okay, you seem to be having a hard time with this. Let's try and keep it simple for you. Do you dispute anything I said?JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
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Would you rather we have no speaker for who knows how long, if ever, or keep McCarthy?mrussel1 said:
McCarthy broke his promise to Biden on the deal they cut. Why would the D's support him? McCarthy also blamed the D's for the clean bill that passed the House. You expect the GOP to hold McCarthy accountable, but not the D's? This can't be your argument.JB16057 said:
McCarthy broke his promises to the GOP about becoming speaker. Some decided to hold him accountable for it. We have a branch of government that's completely shut down now which hurts all of us.The Juggler said:
Uh huh....okay, you seem to be having a hard time with this. Let's try and keep it simple for you. Do you dispute anything I said?JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.0 -
Despite other peoples beliefs around here talking down to people and brow beating them has never changed a single mind. Unfortunately I have been just as guilty of it as others in the past and am only recently trying to work on it. Don't worry all I have to do is say I think Hillary was a terrible candidate and Russia had nothing to do with her not being elected and I will be way more unpopular than you are currently.JB16057 said:
You make some good points and I appreciate you being fair and nice.static111 said:
Republicans called for a vote to oust a speaker. That speaker broke deals with the democrats talked trash on national TV and press about them, couldn't keep his own party in line and was ineffective at his job and was proven untrustworthy. Of course they would vote to remove him. That isn't siding with MAGA, far from it. Taking a stand to try to reach a middle ground is more like it. But the GOP doesn't seem to want to meet in the middle anymore, more or less they want to yank things to the right and call it winning even though a majority of citizens don't share the views that the elected Rs are pushing for. I disagree with your belief that leaving an untrustworthy backstabbing finger pointer at the helm of the house would have been better for the country.JB16057 said:
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.static111 said:
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.Scio me nihil scire
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I'm OK with having no speaker. It's not like I will stop having to go to work or pay my bills.JB16057 said:
Would you rather we have no speaker for who knows how long, if ever, or keep McCarthy?mrussel1 said:
McCarthy broke his promise to Biden on the deal they cut. Why would the D's support him? McCarthy also blamed the D's for the clean bill that passed the House. You expect the GOP to hold McCarthy accountable, but not the D's? This can't be your argument.JB16057 said:
McCarthy broke his promises to the GOP about becoming speaker. Some decided to hold him accountable for it. We have a branch of government that's completely shut down now which hurts all of us.The Juggler said:
Uh huh....okay, you seem to be having a hard time with this. Let's try and keep it simple for you. Do you dispute anything I said?JB16057 said:
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.The Juggler said:
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.JB16057 said:
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.Gern Blansten said:
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.JB16057 said:
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thoughtJB16057 said:
You really don't understand math.Gern Blansten said:
LOL...you really don't understand politicsJB16057 said:208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.Scio me nihil scire
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