208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
Are those listed by order of your priority as well? Or is this just another confusing post of yours? You know, “dems suck” followed by “great accomplishments.”
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Dems voted to oust a speaker that broke a number of deals and compromises and can't be trusted to work across the aisle.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.
House Republicans emerged from today's closed-door meeting that went on for more than three hours with a new plan: Scrap the resolution that would empower interim Speaker Patrick McHenry and go forward with more floor votes for Jim Jordan's speakership bid.
Members left the room saying that Jordan said it was his intention to hold another floor vote today instead of moving forward with a resolution to expand McHenry's powers.
But another floor vote would be contingent on three things – all of which have caveats – and show how unrealistic and steep Jordan's hill is to climb.
According to Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie: Jordan needs to call his wife; speak to as many of the 22 GOP members who voted against him as he can to see if they are movable; and have a discussion with Kevin McCarthy about whether the former speaker would nominate him on the House floor.
Most of the 22 Republicans who voted against Jordan on the second ballot yesterday have said they are firm in their position. Some have even received threats as the result of their opposition to Jordan. Massie said a number of the 22 members are not answering Jordan's calls.
GOP Rep. Dave Joyce, who has been leading the charge on the McHenry measure, signaled that he isn’t walking away from his resolution completely, warning he could still bring it up at any time. He said he will continue to work and is still worried about a House that is not acting.
CNN's Lauren Fox, Clare Foran, Sam Fossum and Manu Raju contributed reporting to this post.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.
Republicans called for a vote to oust a speaker. That speaker broke deals with the democrats talked trash on national TV and press about them, couldn't keep his own party in line and was ineffective at his job and was proven untrustworthy. Of course they would vote to remove him. That isn't siding with MAGA, far from it. Taking a stand to try to reach a middle ground is more like it. But the GOP doesn't seem to want to meet in the middle anymore, more or less they want to yank things to the right and call it winning even though a majority of citizens don't share the views that the elected Rs are pushing for. I disagree with your belief that leaving an untrustworthy backstabbing finger pointer at the helm of the house would have been better for the country.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.
Republicans called for a vote to oust a speaker. That speaker broke deals with the democrats talked trash on national TV and press about them, couldn't keep his own party in line and was ineffective at his job and was proven untrustworthy. Of course they would vote to remove him. That isn't siding with MAGA, far from it. Taking a stand to try to reach a middle ground is more like it. But the GOP doesn't seem to want to meet in the middle anymore, more or less they want to yank things to the right and call it winning even though a majority of citizens don't share the views that the elected Rs are pushing for. I disagree with your belief that leaving an untrustworthy backstabbing finger pointer at the helm of the house would have been better for the country.
You make some good points and I appreciate you being fair and nice.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.
Republicans called for a vote to oust a speaker. That speaker broke deals with the democrats talked trash on national TV and press about them, couldn't keep his own party in line and was ineffective at his job and was proven untrustworthy. Of course they would vote to remove him. That isn't siding with MAGA, far from it. Taking a stand to try to reach a middle ground is more like it. But the GOP doesn't seem to want to meet in the middle anymore, more or less they want to yank things to the right and call it winning even though a majority of citizens don't share the views that the elected Rs are pushing for. I disagree with your belief that leaving an untrustworthy backstabbing finger pointer at the helm of the house would have been better for the country.
You make some good points and I appreciate you being fair and nice.
His points are reasonable, rational, and 100% accurate.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Democrats voted for one of their own for House Speaker, as Democrats and Republicans have done during House Speaker elections for nearly 100 years (the entire history of the USA with two major parties). In that entire time, not once did a party require the help of the opposing party to successfully elect a Speaker. That's a fact.
In asking Democrats to support their opponents to elect a House Speaker, do you admit this is literally the most pathetic excuse of governance that the Republican party has ever presented, and a consequence of its own selfishness, incompetence, and inability to lead? Do you admit your side is struggling to decide who gets the keys to the clown car?
As usual the accusations are in reality, projections.
They voted political arsonists into office and are now crying that the other side is letting them burn it down.
Pathetic is right.
If Democrats didn't suck at their job, they wouldn't have lost control of the house to the GOP. For some reason, Democrats can't admit to this.
“Suck at their job.” Yea, passing legislation that benefits middle Americans, providing health care to 44 million Americans, unemployment below 4%, no US service members coming home in body bags of late, and not one repub can take credit. Yea, dems sure do suck at their job.
The cult has a firm grasp.
Even after all of those great accomplishments, they still lost the majority in the house and are at risk of losing the White House to orange man next year, even if he's serving as President behind bars.
“After all those great accomplishments?” So you acknowledge the dems don’t “suck at their job?”
You still going to vote for POOTWH? Knowing what we know or do you not believe any of the allegations? Please explain and list POOTWH’s top ten accomplishments in order of priority for you personally. I’m just trying to understand the third vote of yours.
There’s little expectation that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) can be elected speaker on a third ballot, so the big question if he seeks one is whether he wins more or fewer votes than he did on Wednesday — and, if it’s fewer, how many Republicans who supported him in the first two rounds drop off.
One notable Republican who won’t be backing Jordan: Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.), a moderate and the co-chair of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, one of House Republicans’ “five families.” Fitzpatrick voted for Jordan in both of the first two rounds even as several other moderates refused to do so, but he said Thursday afternoon that he’d switched his allegiance to Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.) after Jordan backed a plan to empower McHenry temporarily.
“I’d be voting for McHenry today,” Fitzpatrick told reporters. “And if it comes to a vote, that’s who I’m backing.”
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
clearly math has a liberal bias
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
so who is going to be speaker now? i heard jordan was backing out.
Is he? I thought he had backed giving the temp guy more, limited power until January 3rd, then reneged on that and said there’d be a third vote on him as speaker? Did he renege on that now as well? If so, what a circus of the (oc)cult. Dark times in the alternate universe of republand.
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It’s all the dems’ fault Gym can’t lead and is known as a “legislative terrorist’ among his own. Bahahahahahahaha! Ol Rushbo is spinning in his grave! Double Bahahahahahahaha! And blaming dems from his perch in hell.
There are few things Congress loves more than a short-term solution to a long-term problem — something to help it forestall difficult decisions and paper over divisions in hopes that, at some later date, these problems will magically disappear.
House Republicans can’t even agree upon trying that right now.
Thursday brought one of the most embarrassing episodes yet in the GOP’s arduous 16-day quest to find someone — anyone — who can get the votes to be House speaker. With the realization that that might not be possible at this juncture apparently setting in, Republicans set about forging a temporary fix that seemed potentially agreeable to much of the House: giving acting speaker pro tempore Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.) more power to conduct vital business while everyone figured out a longer-term solution.
GOP speaker-nominee Jim Jordan even endorsed the plan, apparently believing that time could heal the wounds suffered by his sputtering speaker bid and give him another shot later on.
Then the party summarily rejected Jordan’s leadership — again.
“We made the pitch to members on the resolution, as a way to lower the temperature and get back to work,” Jordan said. “We decided that wasn’t where we’re going to go.”
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Uh huh....okay, you seem to be having a hard time with this. Let's try and keep it simple for you. Do you dispute anything I said?
McCarthy broke his promises to the GOP about becoming speaker. Some decided to hold him accountable for it. We have a branch of government that's completely shut down now which hurts all of us.
McCarthy broke his promise to Biden on the deal they cut. Why would the D's support him? McCarthy also blamed the D's for the clean bill that passed the House. You expect the GOP to hold McCarthy accountable, but not the D's? This can't be your argument.
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Uh huh....okay, you seem to be having a hard time with this. Let's try and keep it simple for you. Do you dispute anything I said?
McCarthy broke his promises to the GOP about becoming speaker. Some decided to hold him accountable for it. We have a branch of government that's completely shut down now which hurts all of us.
McCarthy broke his promise to Biden on the deal they cut. Why would the D's support him? McCarthy also blamed the D's for the clean bill that passed the House. You expect the GOP to hold McCarthy accountable, but not the D's? This can't be your argument.
Would you rather we have no speaker for who knows how long, if ever, or keep McCarthy?
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
You are expecting the Dems to save a back stabber that has proved he can't be trusted and will waffle to the extreme of his party? Imagine if this was reversed, the Rs would have a field day and not one would vote for a Dem speaker. I don't like either of the parties, but blaming Dems for a situation that was created by republicans and their very specific rules change to appease the far right of their party is absurd. Perhaps if the Republicans nominated a centrist capable of actually making deals rather than advancing extreme right wing ideology the dems would step up to the plate with support. Based on today's GOP that is just not likely to happen. I'm not sure where you get your talking points from but as an outside observer it is pretty clear that the republicans held a cherry bomb with a closed fist, lit it and let it blow up and are trying to blame democrats for letting them have matches.
I blame both Rs and Ds but it wouldn't be fair to not admit that all D's sided with the extreme MAGA and here we now are.
Republicans called for a vote to oust a speaker. That speaker broke deals with the democrats talked trash on national TV and press about them, couldn't keep his own party in line and was ineffective at his job and was proven untrustworthy. Of course they would vote to remove him. That isn't siding with MAGA, far from it. Taking a stand to try to reach a middle ground is more like it. But the GOP doesn't seem to want to meet in the middle anymore, more or less they want to yank things to the right and call it winning even though a majority of citizens don't share the views that the elected Rs are pushing for. I disagree with your belief that leaving an untrustworthy backstabbing finger pointer at the helm of the house would have been better for the country.
You make some good points and I appreciate you being fair and nice.
Despite other peoples beliefs around here talking down to people and brow beating them has never changed a single mind. Unfortunately I have been just as guilty of it as others in the past and am only recently trying to work on it. Don't worry all I have to do is say I think Hillary was a terrible candidate and Russia had nothing to do with her not being elected and I will be way more unpopular than you are currently.
208 Democrats sided with 8 Republicans to vote McCarthy out. 210 Republicans voted against kicking McCarthy out.
100% of Democrats voted to kick McCarthy out. 4% of Republicans voted to kick him out.
I don't know how else to explain this simple math yet everyone here is blaming the Republican party when it was ALL of the Democrat votes that made this happen. This is clearly the fault of the Democrats who sided with someone like Matt Gaetz, whom you all mock, yet your party sided with him. If Democrats didn't want chaos, they wouldn't have sided with 8 Republicans. The math or common sense couldn't be any clearer.
This message board is nothing but an echo chamber for the left.
LOL...you really don't understand politics
You really don't understand math.
Nor do you. The repubs hold the majority in the house and could elect a speaker on their own but their speaker candidates are such dumpster fires and beholden to POOTWH that even they can’t stomach a vote for them. Here’s an idea, maybe those 22 repubs who voted against Gym should switch parties and let the dems elect Hakeem? Just a thought
The dems knew what they were doing when they sided with the 8 Republicans. They knew the search for a new speaker would be a dumpster fire and voted McCarthy out anyways.
Do you really think you can sell this lame argument here? The GOP is an absolute fucked up mess. Deal with it.
Did the Democrats vote to oust the speaker knowing full well that it's going to be difficult to find a new one? How many Democrats voted for this compared to Republicans? It is simple math.
It is maga who nominated far right extremist wackos who do not appeal to most people outside the Trump cult base. This, in turn, is why you did not get your red wave last year, thus giving you the slimmest of majorities this year.
It is maga that took 15 tries to elect a speaker in January...ensuring him to be the weakest speaker in history as he had to concede everything to get the job, including a rule where only ONE member of congress could call a vote to vacate his speakership.
Shockingly the same maga Republican who demanded that rule is the one who invoked it, which has lead us to the current chaos you are blaming on.....the Democrats somehow. lol.
Why in the fucking world do you think Democrats would even consider voting for a maga Republican for speaker? In what universe would that make sense? Beyond foolish thinking here.
Maga created this mess. It is not the Democrats responsibility to bail them out of political jail. They own it. It is fun watching magas twist and turn themselves into pretzels with these excuses though.
Democrats sided with Matt Gaetz to oust the speaker. That's a fact.
Uh huh....okay, you seem to be having a hard time with this. Let's try and keep it simple for you. Do you dispute anything I said?
McCarthy broke his promises to the GOP about becoming speaker. Some decided to hold him accountable for it. We have a branch of government that's completely shut down now which hurts all of us.
McCarthy broke his promise to Biden on the deal they cut. Why would the D's support him? McCarthy also blamed the D's for the clean bill that passed the House. You expect the GOP to hold McCarthy accountable, but not the D's? This can't be your argument.
Would you rather we have no speaker for who knows how long, if ever, or keep McCarthy?
I'm OK with having no speaker. It's not like I will stop having to go to work or pay my bills.
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House Republicans emerged from today's closed-door meeting that went on for more than three hours with a new plan: Scrap the resolution that would empower interim Speaker Patrick McHenry and go forward with more floor votes for Jim Jordan's speakership bid.
Members left the room saying that Jordan said it was his intention to hold another floor vote today instead of moving forward with a resolution to expand McHenry's powers.
But another floor vote would be contingent on three things – all of which have caveats – and show how unrealistic and steep Jordan's hill is to climb.
According to Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie: Jordan needs to call his wife; speak to as many of the 22 GOP members who voted against him as he can to see if they are movable; and have a discussion with Kevin McCarthy about whether the former speaker would nominate him on the House floor.
Most of the 22 Republicans who voted against Jordan on the second ballot yesterday have said they are firm in their position. Some have even received threats as the result of their opposition to Jordan. Massie said a number of the 22 members are not answering Jordan's calls.
GOP Rep. Dave Joyce, who has been leading the charge on the McHenry measure, signaled that he isn’t walking away from his resolution completely, warning he could still bring it up at any time. He said he will continue to work and is still worried about a House that is not acting.
CNN's Lauren Fox, Clare Foran, Sam Fossum and Manu Raju contributed reporting to this post.
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There’s little expectation that Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) can be elected speaker on a third ballot, so the big question if he seeks one is whether he wins more or fewer votes than he did on Wednesday — and, if it’s fewer, how many Republicans who supported him in the first two rounds drop off.
One notable Republican who won’t be backing Jordan: Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.), a moderate and the co-chair of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, one of House Republicans’ “five families.” Fitzpatrick voted for Jordan in both of the first two rounds even as several other moderates refused to do so, but he said Thursday afternoon that he’d switched his allegiance to Speaker Pro Tempore Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.) after Jordan backed a plan to empower McHenry temporarily.
“I’d be voting for McHenry today,” Fitzpatrick told reporters. “And if it comes to a vote, that’s who I’m backing.”
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There are few things Congress loves more than a short-term solution to a long-term problem — something to help it forestall difficult decisions and paper over divisions in hopes that, at some later date, these problems will magically disappear.
House Republicans can’t even agree upon trying that right now.
The 22 Republicans voting against Jim Jordan for House speaker
Thursday brought one of the most embarrassing episodes yet in the GOP’s arduous 16-day quest to find someone — anyone — who can get the votes to be House speaker. With the realization that that might not be possible at this juncture apparently setting in, Republicans set about forging a temporary fix that seemed potentially agreeable to much of the House: giving acting speaker pro tempore Patrick T. McHenry (R-N.C.) more power to conduct vital business while everyone figured out a longer-term solution.
GOP speaker-nominee Jim Jordan even endorsed the plan, apparently believing that time could heal the wounds suffered by his sputtering speaker bid and give him another shot later on.
Then the party summarily rejected Jordan’s leadership — again.
Jordan announced Thursday afternoon that the plan was no longer in the works.
“We made the pitch to members on the resolution, as a way to lower the temperature and get back to work,” Jordan said. “We decided that wasn’t where we’re going to go.”
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