Native Hawaiians call for sovereignty

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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095

    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,218
    What the hell did I miss here 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,377
    nicknyr15 said:
    What the hell did I miss here 

    a question.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    Nice shirt, Mikey


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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    I don't understand why this thread went sideways, but, to be fair, it looks like things have been deleted



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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    nicknyr15 said:
    What the hell did I miss here 

    It got too personal on my part about some musicians I admire, and then me being a dip shit hypocrite.
    I'm good with taking the blame.  Shut the fucker down!
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    tish said:
    I agree with you Brian, however, I think it's more than your synopsis. It's not just running people out of their homelands. It is genocide. When Indigenous people are displaced, we lose culture, language, family, community, and connection to the land. To be blunt: Foreign landowners, big and small, like Ed, are killing them.
    This is a great point that I wanted to use in another light but people would lose their minds.

    There is a local comedian down there that would joke about the white people coming to visit. He said this "we love visitors but make sure you go back.  No really, leave."  The crowd half laughed because the guy was serious.

    My family, whom was part of the problem, moved there to work the golf courses and had to sleep on the beaches, which is legal, for a while until they could get an apartment.
  • Gern Blansten
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Gern Blansten said:
    IBTL
    I don't know why.  It's still worth discussion.
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    tish said:
    I agree with you Brian, however, I think it's more than your synopsis. It's not just running people out of their homelands. It is genocide. When Indigenous people are displaced, we lose culture, language, family, community, and connection to the land. To be blunt: Foreign landowners, big and small, like Ed, are killing them.
    honest question: how does an island, whose largest contributor to their economy is tourism, expect no one to want to set up shop there once they've experienced it with their own eyes? can you make local laws to only have a certain portion of the land owned by non-natives? what is the answer here?
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  • cincybearcat
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tish said:
    I agree with you Brian, however, I think it's more than your synopsis. It's not just running people out of their homelands. It is genocide. When Indigenous people are displaced, we lose culture, language, family, community, and connection to the land. To be blunt: Foreign landowners, big and small, like Ed, are killing them.
    honest question: how does an island, whose largest contributor to their economy is tourism, expect no one to want to set up shop there once they've experienced it with their own eyes? can you make local laws to only have a certain portion of the land owned by non-natives? what is the answer here?
    And how does one reconcile immigration with some of these other thoughts? 

    I honestly don't know exactly how I feel about this.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,218
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tish said:
    I agree with you Brian, however, I think it's more than your synopsis. It's not just running people out of their homelands. It is genocide. When Indigenous people are displaced, we lose culture, language, family, community, and connection to the land. To be blunt: Foreign landowners, big and small, like Ed, are killing them.
    honest question: how does an island, whose largest contributor to their economy is tourism, expect no one to want to set up shop there once they've experienced it with their own eyes? can you make local laws to only have a certain portion of the land owned by non-natives? what is the answer here?
    And how does one reconcile immigration with some of these other thoughts? 

    I honestly don't know exactly how I feel about this.
    My exact thoughts. 
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tish said:
    I agree with you Brian, however, I think it's more than your synopsis. It's not just running people out of their homelands. It is genocide. When Indigenous people are displaced, we lose culture, language, family, community, and connection to the land. To be blunt: Foreign landowners, big and small, like Ed, are killing them.
    honest question: how does an island, whose largest contributor to their economy is tourism, expect no one to want to set up shop there once they've experienced it with their own eyes? can you make local laws to only have a certain portion of the land owned by non-natives? what is the answer here?
    And how does one reconcile immigration with some of these other thoughts? 

    I honestly don't know exactly how I feel about this.
    Wasn't part of the fire because they had changed their Indigenous plants? Didn't native Hawaiians survive before they became poor catering to tourists?
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    tish said:
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tish said:
    I agree with you Brian, however, I think it's more than your synopsis. It's not just running people out of their homelands. It is genocide. When Indigenous people are displaced, we lose culture, language, family, community, and connection to the land. To be blunt: Foreign landowners, big and small, like Ed, are killing them.
    honest question: how does an island, whose largest contributor to their economy is tourism, expect no one to want to set up shop there once they've experienced it with their own eyes? can you make local laws to only have a certain portion of the land owned by non-natives? what is the answer here?
    And how does one reconcile immigration with some of these other thoughts? 

    I honestly don't know exactly how I feel about this.
    Wasn't part of the fire because they had changed their Indigenous plants? Didn't native Hawaiians survive before they became poor catering to tourists?
    Yes. Catch 22. 

    They need tourism to stay afloat but the land they had was sold and converted into other things.  It's happened to pretty much any island in the Pacific and Caribean.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    tish said:
    I agree with you Brian, however, I think it's more than your synopsis. It's not just running people out of their homelands. It is genocide. When Indigenous people are displaced, we lose culture, language, family, community, and connection to the land. To be blunt: Foreign landowners, big and small, like Ed, are killing them.
    honest question: how does an island, whose largest contributor to their economy is tourism, expect no one to want to set up shop there once they've experienced it with their own eyes? can you make local laws to only have a certain portion of the land owned by non-natives? what is the answer here?
    And how does one reconcile immigration with some of these other thoughts? 

    I honestly don't know exactly how I feel about this.
    Great point.  I was going to bring this up in the immigration thread.

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