Pearl Jam Ruoff Music Center Postponement

BF25394 said:

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

pjl44 said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

pbultimate said:

pjl44 said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

Interesting route this thread has gone. Maybe the above person wouldnt have survived to make the “anti-vax” post if that were their stance

BF25394 said:

pjl44 said:

pbultimate said:

pjl44 said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

Interesting route this thread has gone. Maybe the above person wouldnt have survived to make the “anti-vax” post if that were their stance

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not convinced tacking on boosters is providing much protection against subsequent strains. We're a ways out from those initial studies that crushed that first strain.

The first strain of COVID is extinct. Recent boosters have been targeted to the prevailing strains at the time of release, just like the annual flu vaccine. Last year's bivalent vaccine targeted Omicron-family variants that were then prevalent as well as the original strain. This year's dose targets the currently dominant strain, which is still within the Omicron lineage but has evolved ways to circumvent existing antibodies. All the data we have show that these updated doses provide strong protection against serious illness from the targeted strains.

There have been over 13 billion doses of the various vaccines administered. There have been virtually no serious side effects documented from the Pfizer and ModeRNA vaccines, notwithstanding misinformation to the contrary. The instances of myocarditis that resulted in certain demographics from the J&J vaccine were actually less frequent than instances of myocarditis in unvaccinated individuals who became infected with the virus (and that vaccine was pulled from distribution anyway when those cases were identified out of an abundance of caution).

It really is going to be like the flu vaccine, something that it is advisable to get each year. Unfortunately, only about half the U.S. population gets the flu vaccine each year, and we'll probably see lesser uptake for annual COVID vaccines even though COVID is deadlier and more contagious than the flu. (Flu killed between 12,000 and 61,000 Americans in the years from 2011 through 2019, with an average of 35,000 deaths per year. COVID, even with the death rate having declined with greater immunity from vaccines and infections, still has killed nearly 100,000 Americans in the past 12 months.)

I've gotten the flu shot every year since 1993, and I've never gotten the flu since then. My philosophy about that has always been that I am less concerned about what the flu would do to me-- I am generally healthy and, for much of that time, was relatively young (though now I'm relatively old)-- than that I don't want to be a vector to transmit it to someone who is vulnerable and who cannot get the vaccine. I see no reason not to take the same approach with COVID vaccines.

Leezestarr313 said:

BF25394 said:

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

(edit to add the post I was replying to)

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

Gern Blansten said:

theebradness said:

Leezestarr313 said:

BF25394 said:

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

(edit to add the post I was replying to)

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

I got the first round of vaccines and got a booster. So I'm not an anti-vax person. My opinion on why Covid is no longer taken seriously is because, yet again, our government lied to us. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, would protect people and would be lessen the symptoms. It did none of that. During Covid with the lockdowns, which also did nothing except destroy business but somehow profits went up? More lies from those in charge. Do you remember how people who didn't want to get vaccinated were ostracized by the media who suggested a caste system of vaxxed and non vaxxed? Now we have athletes dropping from heart attacks and other random things, I don't recall super healthy people dropping like they have lately. If the vaccines were safe, why did Big Pharma get protection from lawsuits? The whole thing is corrupt as hell. To reiterate, I am vaxxed, I fell for the media's bullshit about shaming people who, in my opinion, ended up being right about how we were being lied to......

Now. Where is the freaking make up date for INDY!!

come on...some originally said that but then, as new testing/evidence came out, they corrected that.

clearly being vaccinated is better than not