Pearl Jam Ruoff Music Center Postponement

BF25394

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

Jcanr20

I would definitely go for Sept. 24. 

offhegoes32

PLEASE please please I am begging you PJ, do not make the reschedule date May 18.

When I arrived back home from Indy on Monday, I had a save the date for a family wedding waiting for me in the mailbox for this date. I just got a bad feeling immediately like oh man I hope it’s not that exact day.

Sunday was such a weird day, as many others have already detailed here.  The super excited feeling driving in the morning, knowing it was set to be the most beautiful outdoor weather forecast there possible. Getting to Indy and hearing the shocking and disappointing news, then quickly accepting it and hoping everything was ok with the band and scrambling to change plans/hotels etc. Then making the best of the night and looking forward to be able to come back for the makeup show. Fingers crossed here it won’t be that day now but I’m nervous with my luck lol.

Leezestarr313

BF25394 said:

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

(edit to add the post I was replying to)

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

mattbel123

RatherStarved said:

mattbel123 said:

primussucks said:

Probably announced as part of a new album tour in 2024.  I predict they come back and play 2 dates in Indy and these will be the only Midwest dates of the tour.  The rest will be east and west coast and Canada. 

2 dates could make things complicated with people that already have tickets for the postponed date. It could turn into a lot of questions being asked as in which tickets are good for which date, etc.

Um, not really.  If the new dates were May 21 and 23 they could say May 21 is the rescheduled show and May 23 the new show.  And the tickets update in the app anyway.

I do agree with your other post - don’t cancel - let people who want to hold their tickets hold them. 

Last but not least I’m holding out hope for Sept 24 although I realize it’s not going to happen.  

Makes sense, I clearly didn't think too long on it.

Dfite731

9/24/23 plz

pjl44

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

Leezestarr313

pjl44 said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

I disagree. I was aware that the vaccines would not protect me for the rest of my life and that they would have to be updated. They did a pretty great job for the length of the pandemic, I never got sick. By now, my last booster has been about a year ago, which is quite a lot of time. I was hoping to get boosted before the show, but alas, the new one is only available now. As with any vaccination that is voluntary, you have to decide if you want to run the risk or not. I never get the flu shot but I will do the covid stuff when I can get it. I grew up in a doctor household so I trust in modern medicine. I also had to run through an entire catalogue of vaccinations to be able to immigrate to the US. It feels backwards to me to be against things that actually help. Good luck to you.

pbultimate

pjl44 said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

Interesting route this thread has gone. Maybe the above person wouldnt have survived to make the “anti-vax” post if that were their stance

mattbel123

I'm thinking it's a little too late for a September 24th date. Pretty sure we would have heard of something by now and most likely would have heard it last Sunday if it was realistic.

RatherStarved

offhegoes32 said:

PLEASE please please I am begging you PJ, do not make the reschedule date May 18.

When I arrived back home from Indy on Monday, I had a save the date for a family wedding waiting for me in the mailbox for this date. I just got a bad feeling immediately like oh man I hope it’s not that exact day.

Sunday was such a weird day, as many others have already detailed here.  The super excited feeling driving in the morning, knowing it was set to be the most beautiful outdoor weather forecast there possible. Getting to Indy and hearing the shocking and disappointing news, then quickly accepting it and hoping everything was ok with the band and scrambling to change plans/hotels etc. Then making the best of the night and looking forward to be able to come back for the makeup show. Fingers crossed here it won’t be that day now but I’m nervous with my luck lol.

Ok so it will be on 5/18 lol 

pjl44

pbultimate said:

pjl44 said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

Interesting route this thread has gone. Maybe the above person wouldnt have survived to make the “anti-vax” post if that were their stance

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not convinced tacking on boosters is providing much protection against subsequent strains. We're a ways out from those initial studies that crushed that first strain.

Leezestarr313

I would love May 21.

BSully

I will take any date at this point, as long as it's not canceled.
I have my tickets and I want to keep them!

BF25394

pjl44 said:

pbultimate said:

pjl44 said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

Interesting route this thread has gone. Maybe the above person wouldnt have survived to make the “anti-vax” post if that were their stance

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not convinced tacking on boosters is providing much protection against subsequent strains. We're a ways out from those initial studies that crushed that first strain.

The first strain of COVID is extinct. Recent boosters have been targeted to the prevailing strains at the time of release, just like the annual flu vaccine. Last year's bivalent vaccine targeted Omicron-family variants that were then prevalent as well as the original strain. This year's dose targets the currently dominant strain, which is still within the Omicron lineage but has evolved ways to circumvent existing antibodies. All the data we have show that these updated doses provide strong protection against serious illness from the targeted strains.

There have been over 13 billion doses of the various vaccines administered. There have been virtually no serious side effects documented from the Pfizer and ModeRNA vaccines, notwithstanding misinformation to the contrary. The instances of myocarditis that resulted in certain demographics from the J&J vaccine were actually less frequent than instances of myocarditis in unvaccinated individuals who became infected with the virus (and that vaccine was pulled from distribution anyway when those cases were identified out of an abundance of caution).

It really is going to be like the flu vaccine, something that it is advisable to get each year. Unfortunately, only about half the U.S. population gets the flu vaccine each year, and we'll probably see lesser uptake for annual COVID vaccines even though COVID is deadlier and more contagious than the flu. (Flu killed between 12,000 and 61,000 Americans in the years from 2011 through 2019, with an average of 35,000 deaths per year. COVID, even with the death rate having declined with greater immunity from vaccines and infections, still has killed nearly 100,000 Americans in the past 12 months.)

I've gotten the flu shot every year since 1993, and I've never gotten the flu since then. My philosophy about that has always been that I am less concerned about what the flu would do to me-- I am generally healthy and, for much of that time, was relatively young (though now I'm relatively old)-- than that I don't want to be a vector to transmit it to someone who is vulnerable and who cannot get the vaccine. I see no reason not to take the same approach with COVID vaccines.

pjl44

BF25394 said:

pjl44 said:

pbultimate said:

pjl44 said:

Leezestarr313 said:

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

This is not the best pro-vaccine testimonial

Interesting route this thread has gone. Maybe the above person wouldnt have survived to make the “anti-vax” post if that were their stance

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not convinced tacking on boosters is providing much protection against subsequent strains. We're a ways out from those initial studies that crushed that first strain.

The first strain of COVID is extinct. Recent boosters have been targeted to the prevailing strains at the time of release, just like the annual flu vaccine. Last year's bivalent vaccine targeted Omicron-family variants that were then prevalent as well as the original strain. This year's dose targets the currently dominant strain, which is still within the Omicron lineage but has evolved ways to circumvent existing antibodies. All the data we have show that these updated doses provide strong protection against serious illness from the targeted strains.

There have been over 13 billion doses of the various vaccines administered. There have been virtually no serious side effects documented from the Pfizer and ModeRNA vaccines, notwithstanding misinformation to the contrary. The instances of myocarditis that resulted in certain demographics from the J&J vaccine were actually less frequent than instances of myocarditis in unvaccinated individuals who became infected with the virus (and that vaccine was pulled from distribution anyway when those cases were identified out of an abundance of caution).

It really is going to be like the flu vaccine, something that it is advisable to get each year. Unfortunately, only about half the U.S. population gets the flu vaccine each year, and we'll probably see lesser uptake for annual COVID vaccines even though COVID is deadlier and more contagious than the flu. (Flu killed between 12,000 and 61,000 Americans in the years from 2011 through 2019, with an average of 35,000 deaths per year. COVID, even with the death rate having declined with greater immunity from vaccines and infections, still has killed nearly 100,000 Americans in the past 12 months.)

I've gotten the flu shot every year since 1993, and I've never gotten the flu since then. My philosophy about that has always been that I am less concerned about what the flu would do to me-- I am generally healthy and, for much of that time, was relatively young (though now I'm relatively old)-- than that I don't want to be a vector to transmit it to someone who is vulnerable and who cannot get the vaccine. I see no reason not to take the same approach with COVID vaccines.

The flu vaccine is an apt comparison and that's kinda my point. It's an educated guess on targeting so it's not as much of a slam dunk on efficacy. To your point, that's why so many people don't bother getting the flu shot. I never did until I had an infant.

You can't discount the side effects either. I had 3 Pfizer shots and each one came with 36 hours of flu symptoms. People remember that. If I'm getting flu shot level protection without the low low side effect profile I'm just not going to bother. (And even though I'm not personally concerned about long term effects of mRNA vaccines you can't dismiss it entirely.)

Anyway, I was mostly just commenting on the disconnect of "get your shots!" preceded by a paragraph describing being fully vaccinated and still laid out for a week. It's not an uncommon story - try to read it through the lens of someone who's vaccine hesitant.

Leezestarr313

pjl44 said:

Anyway, I was mostly just commenting on the disconnect of "get your shots!" preceded by a paragraph describing being fully vaccinated and still laid out for a week. It's not an uncommon story - try to read it through the lens of someone who's vaccine hesitant.

As I said before this was my first time getting Covid, and I attribute the vaccines to me not getting it in the last three years. Now the the last one has been more than a year ago, and the variants have changed etc etc. I think being vaccinated still helped me not getting a longer illness or after effects so I consider this a positive. I guess with my "paragraph" I was trying to convey that covid is not "just a cold", as so many like to say. And honestly, whoever is "vaccine hesitant" at this point will not get swayed by anybody anyways. Do your thing, decide for yourself. I will still recommend to get the shot. And now please get off my back. Thanks.

theebradness

Leezestarr313 said:

BF25394 said:

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

(edit to add the post I was replying to)

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

I got the first round of vaccines and got a booster. So I'm not an anti-vax person. My opinion on why Covid is no longer taken seriously is because, yet again, our government lied to us. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, would protect people and would be lessen the symptoms. It did none of that. During Covid with the lockdowns, which also did nothing except destroy business but somehow profits went up? More lies from those in charge. Do you remember how people who didn't want to get vaccinated were ostracized by the media who suggested a caste system of vaxxed and non vaxxed? Now we have athletes dropping from heart attacks and other random things, I don't recall super healthy people dropping like they have lately. If the vaccines were safe, why did Big Pharma get protection from lawsuits? The whole thing is corrupt as hell. To reiterate, I am vaxxed, I fell for the media's bullshit about shaming people who, in my opinion, ended up being right about how we were being lied to......

Now. Where is the freaking make up date for INDY!!

Gern Blansten

theebradness said:

Leezestarr313 said:

BF25394 said:

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

(edit to add the post I was replying to)

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

I got the first round of vaccines and got a booster. So I'm not an anti-vax person. My opinion on why Covid is no longer taken seriously is because, yet again, our government lied to us. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, would protect people and would be lessen the symptoms. It did none of that. During Covid with the lockdowns, which also did nothing except destroy business but somehow profits went up? More lies from those in charge. Do you remember how people who didn't want to get vaccinated were ostracized by the media who suggested a caste system of vaxxed and non vaxxed? Now we have athletes dropping from heart attacks and other random things, I don't recall super healthy people dropping like they have lately. If the vaccines were safe, why did Big Pharma get protection from lawsuits? The whole thing is corrupt as hell. To reiterate, I am vaxxed, I fell for the media's bullshit about shaming people who, in my opinion, ended up being right about how we were being lied to......

Now. Where is the freaking make up date for INDY!!

come on...some originally said that but then, as new testing/evidence came out, they corrected that.

clearly being vaccinated is better than not

theebradness

Gern Blansten said:

theebradness said:

Leezestarr313 said:

BF25394 said:

Spartanacus said:

curmudgeoness said:

Covid is here to stay, like the flu and colds. As we and the band get older, respiratory diseases are going to take more of a toll. There's not much to do about that (except, get vaccinated!).  

How in the fuck did the band being quadruple vaccinated help them play Indy?  Your first sentence was spot on though. 

Just because a test says you have covid shouldn't mean they cancel a show and F up tens of thousands of people's plans.  Just be a little more cautious, like no sipping from the community wine bottle for example.

But if they were truly feeling really sick...like I can't talk/sing or can't get out of bed sick, then of course, they may have to cancel.  But back in the old days when people weren't brainwashed by the media, people who had important jobs sometimes powered through their sickness to get work done.  I feel bad/mad for the Indy people.  

Covid is indeed here to stay.

COVID is a very contagious disease, and it is still a dangerous disease. It is not simply about whether an infected person can "power through" an illness. You have a duty to other people not to put them in harm's way when you know you are infected with a contagious, dangerous disease.

There has been media brainwashing going on with respect to vaccines, all right, but it's not the kind you're thinking of.

(edit to add the post I was replying to)

I had it for the first time this week and I have am fully vaxxed, and I would say this is not "just a cold" or even like the flu. I had the flu before, and it even landed me in the hospital with pneumonia but even that was not like this last week. I don't want to have this shit again and I have no idea how anyone would be able to perform or even act like a normal person in public having it. All I could do all week was sleep. I woke up for bouts of fever, coughing and sneezing, lost ten lbs and today feel better for the first time. Fuck covid, get your vaccines. I don't even understand how people are up in arms against vaccines now. We seem to live in upside down world now.

I got the first round of vaccines and got a booster. So I'm not an anti-vax person. My opinion on why Covid is no longer taken seriously is because, yet again, our government lied to us. They said the vaccine would stop transmission, would protect people and would be lessen the symptoms. It did none of that. During Covid with the lockdowns, which also did nothing except destroy business but somehow profits went up? More lies from those in charge. Do you remember how people who didn't want to get vaccinated were ostracized by the media who suggested a caste system of vaxxed and non vaxxed? Now we have athletes dropping from heart attacks and other random things, I don't recall super healthy people dropping like they have lately. If the vaccines were safe, why did Big Pharma get protection from lawsuits? The whole thing is corrupt as hell. To reiterate, I am vaxxed, I fell for the media's bullshit about shaming people who, in my opinion, ended up being right about how we were being lied to......

Now. Where is the freaking make up date for INDY!!

come on...some originally said that but then, as new testing/evidence came out, they corrected that.

clearly being vaccinated is better than not

I'm on the no longer on the fence about it. My wife suddenly developed psoriasis after getting the first booster. Not a single case in her family going back 4 generations. I understand that it can be environmental but it was within a couple days that she had her first psoriatic(?) flare up. That's not a coincidence to us. Our government has lied to us about SO MANY things that I just don't trust them anymore. Fauci knew that AZT (aids drug in the early 80's) was killing people, yet he said it was safe. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, the list is maddening on just how many times we've been swindled by our leaders. So, the punk rocker in me is saying fuck off to the government. The previous vaccine mandates were total bullshit, no one forces flu vaccines on anyone, they are voluntary. So why did the Covid vaccine become such a lynch pin? Big Pharma and Politicians made BANK during the lockdowns. I'm willing to bet in 10-15 years someone will release official documents about how they took advantage of us during these years to further fatten their bank accounts.