#46 President Joe Biden

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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    static111 said:
    Would you rather have the military in Afghanistan and still spending billions.  Are you mad at the tens of thousands of civilians killed and the thousands of US service members and contractors over 20 years? Or just the 13 that died when Biden finally got us out of the mess?  If so why does that 13 effect you more than the previous thousands?
    Biden killed 13 US Troops.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,819
    JB16057 said:
    Biden killed 13 US Troops.
    Has he been charged with a crime? Until he is, you’re just making shit up.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Has he been charged with a crime? Until he is, you’re just making shit up.
    That is really an excellent point you've made there. I'm glad we can agree on this.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,819
    JB16057 said:
    That is really an excellent point you've made there. I'm glad we can agree on this.
    Who do you believe will be convicted of a crime first, POOTWH or the Brandon Crime Family?
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    Who do you believe will be convicted of a crime first, POOTWH or the Brandon Crime Family?
    Only time will tell. Fuck the both of them. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,201


    Do you even know the afghan withdrawal plan was devised by trump?

    do you even know it was trump who lowered troop levels dangerously for a full year?

    Do you even know trump did not have the courage to follow through with his exit plan, which created a dangerous environment for the few remaining troops within Afghanistan?


    are you done sharing dangerous inaccuracies of fact to justify your support of a cop killer for president?

    more important question than the above is do you even care?
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mickeyrat said:

    more important question than the above is do you even care?
    Did you know that when Biden took office that on his first day he reversed many of Trump's policies? He could've done the same thing with Afghanistan but he didn't. 

    If Trump lowered the level dangerously for a year, why weren't there issues before Biden took office?

    Biden was courageous enough to follow through with Trump's exit plan knowing that it created a dangerous environment for the few remaining troops within Afghanistan. 

    Trump didn't kill cops yet I'm the one being accused of sharing dangerous inaccuracies. If Trump killed cops, he should be killed, right? A life for a life sound fair? By spreading this lie, it could set off one of you crazy ass Democrats and they could murder Trump because they were told that Trump killed cops. 

    Do you even care?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,201
    JB16057 said:
    Did you know that when Biden took office that on his first day he reversed many of Trump's policies? He could've done the same thing with Afghanistan but he didn't. 

    If Trump lowered the level dangerously for a year, why weren't there issues before Biden took office?

    Biden was courageous enough to follow through with Trump's exit plan knowing that it created a dangerous environment for the few remaining troops within Afghanistan. 

    Trump didn't kill cops yet I'm the one being accused of sharing dangerous inaccuracies. If Trump killed cops, he should be killed, right? A life for a life sound fair? By spreading this lie, it could set off one of you crazy ass Democrats and they could murder Trump because they were told that Trump killed cops. 

    Do you even care?

    that was a signed "international" agreement not a domestic policy or even a foriegn relations policy.

    the other reversals were largely executive orders , were they not?

    happens from one admin to the next. you would appear to disagree for bidens reasons for those reversals, but please acknowledge that this thing is fairly standard from one to the next.

    hell, all the current candidates for the gop are stating a whole host of "DAY 1" activities. all would be in the realm of executive orders.....

    so biden backs out and by doing so effectively says the US cant be trusted to keep its word in formal agreements.  Where does that leave the US on the international stage?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,201
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    perspective....

    13 US soldiers and 3 British soldiers died in order that over 100k people could escape......


    surely more would have been able to but for the taliban clamping down on evacuation

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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mickeyrat said:
    perspective....

    13 US soldiers and 3 British soldiers died in order that over 100k people could escape......


    surely more would have been able to but for the taliban clamping down on evacuation

    How many Americans did Biden abandon in Afghanistan after he promised to evacuate all US Citizens that wanted to get out? How many of those citizens have been tortured and murdered by the Taliban. Biden broke that promise. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,201
    JB16057 said:
    How many Americans did Biden abandon in Afghanistan after he promised to evacuate all US Citizens that wanted to get out? How many of those citizens have been tortured and murdered by the Taliban. Biden broke that promise. 

    how do you abandon folks who refuse to leave?
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    mickeyrat said:

    how do you abandon folks who refuse to leave?
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/08/21/brits-rescuing-citizens-trapped-afghanistan-why-isnt-america/8216592002/?gnt-cfr=1

    News reports indicate that British and French forces are rescuing their citizens trapped in Kabul behind Taliban lines. Why isn’t the United States?

    Thousands of American forces were rushed to Afghanistan to deal with the surprise success of last week’s Taliban offensive. Their mission was to secure Hamid Karzai International Airport and assist in evacuating American citizens and Afghan refugees.

    Those people who make the dangerous and harrowing run through Taliban checkpoints can expect American assistance in fleeing the country. But the Biden administration has not committed to bringing in thousands of Americans still outside the wire.

    The White House policy seems to be that they are on their own.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,201
    edited July 2023
    JB16057 said:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/08/21/brits-rescuing-citizens-trapped-afghanistan-why-isnt-america/8216592002/?gnt-cfr=1

    News reports indicate that British and French forces are rescuing their citizens trapped in Kabul behind Taliban lines. Why isn’t the United States?

    Thousands of American forces were rushed to Afghanistan to deal with the surprise success of last week’s Taliban offensive. Their mission was to secure Hamid Karzai International Airport and assist in evacuating American citizens and Afghan refugees.

    Those people who make the dangerous and harrowing run through Taliban checkpoints can expect American assistance in fleeing the country. But the Biden administration has not committed to bringing in thousands of Americans still outside the wire.

    The White House policy seems to be that they are on their own.


    framed another way, how do you FORCE people who seem to want to stay to leave?

    this wasnt a surprise event. it was known it was coming. dont those who want to leave have to do their part and get to where the leaving happens?

    I mean shit, we give travel advisories all the time about select places, yet dumb fucks still go and are surprised when they get snatched up....

    those folks had ample warning and time.  little sympathy for those that stayed. your choice. own it.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,369
    JB16057 said:
    Did you know that when Biden took office that on his first day he reversed many of Trump's policies? He could've done the same thing with Afghanistan but he didn't. 

    If Trump lowered the level dangerously for a year, why weren't there issues before Biden took office?

    Biden was courageous enough to follow through with Trump's exit plan knowing that it created a dangerous environment for the few remaining troops within Afghanistan. 

    Trump didn't kill cops yet I'm the one being accused of sharing dangerous inaccuracies. If Trump killed cops, he should be killed, right? A life for a life sound fair? By spreading this lie, it could set off one of you crazy ass Democrats and they could murder Trump because they were told that Trump killed cops. 

    Do you even care?
    you didnt read the article i posted. it said why biden did not change the plan. HE LISTENED TO HIS GENERALS!!!

    shouting for those in the back that aren't paying attention or are being willfully contrarian
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,320
    JB16057 said:
    If Trump is responsible for killing cops then you better make sure he gets charged with that crime. How is that prosecution going for you? Until he is charged with that crime, you are making shit up. 

    I hope you realize, and sure you do, that I’m not a prosecutor and not interested in prosecuting trump. At least personally 

    But I am interested in my right leaning friends, family, acquaintances, fellow citizens to come together and understand the ONLY reason those five cops are dead are because of the decisions and actions that Donald trump made.

    trump invited his followers to dc on Jan six.
    trump knew they were armed and stopped enforcement of gun laws that day
    trump riled them up in a frenzy
    trump repeatedly lied to them about there being fraud in the election
    trump full well knew that he was lying about the election to rile them up to change the process of certifying the election
    trump specifically tried to get them to harm Mike pence 


    but the majority of righties could care less about five dead cops and care more about lying about Biden, because, Yknow, a botched complex military operation that both parties contributed to but was designed by the gop administration and causing the deaths of five cops is the exact same thing.


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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,320
    JB16057 said:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/08/21/brits-rescuing-citizens-trapped-afghanistan-why-isnt-america/8216592002/?gnt-cfr=1

    News reports indicate that British and French forces are rescuing their citizens trapped in Kabul behind Taliban lines. Why isn’t the United States?

    Thousands of American forces were rushed to Afghanistan to deal with the surprise success of last week’s Taliban offensive. Their mission was to secure Hamid Karzai International Airport and assist in evacuating American citizens and Afghan refugees.

    Those people who make the dangerous and harrowing run through Taliban checkpoints can expect American assistance in fleeing the country. But the Biden administration has not committed to bringing in thousands of Americans still outside the wire.

    The White House policy seems to be that they are on their own.

    So it’s better to risk an all out war with the taliban by bringing in tens of thousands of troops to afghan? The right, the maga wing would have supported that? This line of Biden attacks are getting absurd.

    Please Stop with the afghan whataboutism and face the fact the right is supporting a man personally responsible for the deaths of five cops AND two of his voters, with his reckless comments and actions

    even Pence agrees, why doesn’t the right?
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    So it’s better to risk an all out war with the taliban by bringing in tens of thousands of troops to afghan? The right, the maga wing would have supported that? This line of Biden attacks are getting absurd.

    Please Stop with the afghan whataboutism and face the fact the right is supporting a man personally responsible for the deaths of five cops AND two of his voters, with his reckless comments and actions

    even Pence agrees, why doesn’t the right?
    "Even Pence agress". No one cares about what Pence has to say but go ahead and keep spewing that as if it actually matters to anyone. 

    If Trump was personally responsible for the deaths of five cops and two voters, Democrats would've found a way to charge him with those crimes. Does it upset you that the Democrats aren't able to charge him with crimes associated with those deaths? Either Democrats are in on the crimes or you are a liar. Maybe both?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,819
    JB16057 said:
    "Even Pence agress". No one cares about what Pence has to say but go ahead and keep spewing that as if it actually matters to anyone. 

    If Trump was personally responsible for the deaths of five cops and two voters, Democrats would've found a way to charge him with those crimes. Does it upset you that the Democrats aren't able to charge him with crimes associated with those deaths? Either Democrats are in on the crimes or you are a liar. Maybe both?
    The fact that you said “fuck them both,” referring to Brandon and POOTWH but then also openly stated that you’ll still vote for POOTWH when he’s your party’s nominee says an awful lot. 
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    JB16057 said:
    Biden killed 13 US Troops.
    I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't delusional and had an actual argument.  It appears there is none.  If however you can make a case on how the 13 soldiers lost in the withdrawal is somehow worse than or somehow more egregious than any of the other war dead I will wait for a cogent answer.  The fact of the matter is no war plan goes perfectly and since the withdrawal no more US soldiers have been needlessly killed in that conflict.  I'm not sure how no more billions and no more war dead is a bad thing.

    I still haven't seen any evidence that Biden killed anyone.  Repeating it won't make it true no matter how many times you say it, for those of us still able to reason anyway.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    edited July 2023
    JB16057 said:
    Did you know that when Biden took office that on his first day he reversed many of Trump's policies? He could've done the same thing with Afghanistan but he didn't. 

    If Trump lowered the level dangerously for a year, why weren't there issues before Biden took office?

    Biden was courageous enough to follow through with Trump's exit plan knowing that it created a dangerous environment for the few remaining troops within Afghanistan. 

    Trump didn't kill cops yet I'm the one being accused of sharing dangerous inaccuracies. If Trump killed cops, he should be killed, right? A life for a life sound fair? By spreading this lie, it could set off one of you crazy ass Democrats and they could murder Trump because they were told that Trump killed cops. 

    Do you even care?
    So you would rather have more Americans dead and us still in Afghanistan spending billions on the war that has accomplished nothing?  Would you have placed the blame on Biden for every death that occurred had he stayed the plans of the previous administration?  I'm not following the logic.  Lost soldiers are bad, but keeping troops in Afghanistan would have maybe been better even if it resulted in more than 13 additional casualties and an end to US involvement.  We don't have billions to give to Americans, or other countries war efforts, but staying in Afghanistan and continuing to add to the 2bn plus of our Middle East blundering would have been ok?  This makes no sense.

    I'm against the death penalty and the law of an eye for an eye..leaving everyone blind and all that. Funny that you complain about people but Trumping, and then but Trump yourself because you have no argument.

    Whipping a deluded mob into a frenzy to "save" democracy and having said mob kill people is much different than a general following a battle plan and directing troops.  Please tell us what Biden could have done differently without BUT TRUMPING.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,320
    JB16057 said:
    "Even Pence agress". No one cares about what Pence has to say but go ahead and keep spewing that as if it actually matters to anyone. 

    If Trump was personally responsible for the deaths of five cops and two voters, Democrats would've found a way to charge him with those crimes. Does it upset you that the Democrats aren't able to charge him with crimes associated with those deaths? Either Democrats are in on the crimes or you are a liar. Maybe both?


    Maybe people should care what trumps own VP thinks about what trump did to the country on Jan six.

    Didn’t democrats go out of their way to NOT blame a Republican president for the deaths on 9/11 even though that president was handed a report that said “terrorists planning to fly planes into office buildings.”

    but ok, blame Biden for a terrorist attack that had a lot to do with dangers created by trump.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,669
    mickeyrat said:

    framed another way, how do you FORCE people who seem to want to stay to leave?

    this wasnt a surprise event. it was known it was coming. dont those who want to leave have to do their part and get to where the leaving happens?

    I mean shit, we give travel advisories all the time about select places, yet dumb fucks still go and are surprised when they get snatched up....

    those folks had ample warning and time.  little sympathy for those that stayed. your choice. own it.
    We do the same thing with natural disasters. We know a big hurricane is coming, crate a mandatory evacuation. People refuse to leave and try to wait it out and we sending people to rescue them afterwards.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,201
    mace1229 said:
    We do the same thing with natural disasters. We know a big hurricane is coming, crate a mandatory evacuation. People refuse to leave and try to wait it out and we sending people to rescue them afterwards.

    natural disaster area is different completely than a recently departed war zone, no?
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    JB16057 said:
    Grounds for deportation? That is pathetic. 
    Three strikes and you're out, bud. 
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    Maybe people should care what trumps own VP thinks about what trump did to the country on Jan six.

    Didn’t democrats go out of their way to NOT blame a Republican president for the deaths on 9/11 even though that president was handed a report that said “terrorists planning to fly planes into office buildings.”

    but ok, blame Biden for a terrorist attack that had a lot to do with dangers created by trump.
    Yeah but Pence is still doing that "I'm not sure that it was a criminal act" thing about Jan 6.

    What a fucking spineless piece of shit.
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    Three strikes and you're out, bud. 
    Ok keyboard warrior. 
  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    static111 said:
    I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't delusional and had an actual argument.  It appears there is none.  If however you can make a case on how the 13 soldiers lost in the withdrawal is somehow worse than or somehow more egregious than any of the other war dead I will wait for a cogent answer.  The fact of the matter is no war plan goes perfectly and since the withdrawal no more US soldiers have been needlessly killed in that conflict.  I'm not sure how no more billions and no more war dead is a bad thing.

    I still haven't seen any evidence that Biden killed anyone.  Repeating it won't make it true no matter how many times you say it, for those of us still able to reason anyway.
    Have you seen evidence that Trump killed cops? Are you mad because he isn't in prison for murder?

    The only reason I said Biden killed 13 US Troops is because "Trump killed cops". 

    You are spending way too much time trying to tell me how I should think. We aren't going to agree and both of us will call the other side delusional. Do you really think it's worth continuing this conversation? 

    And now I'm being told that I should be deported. This place is a cesspool of hate. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,201
    JB16057 said:
    Have you seen evidence that Trump killed cops? Are you mad because he isn't in prison for murder?

    The only reason I said Biden killed 13 US Troops is because "Trump killed cops". 

    You are spending way too much time trying to tell me how I should think. We aren't going to agree and both of us will call the other side delusional. Do you really think it's worth continuing this conversation? 

    And now I'm being told that I should be deported. This place is a cesspool of hate. 

    I'll grant that it's indifference to the individual.  Hate implies actual caring..... and indifference is worse.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,819
    JB16057 said:
    Have you seen evidence that Trump killed cops? Are you mad because he isn't in prison for murder?

    The only reason I said Biden killed 13 US Troops is because "Trump killed cops". 

    You are spending way too much time trying to tell me how I should think. We aren't going to agree and both of us will call the other side delusional. Do you really think it's worth continuing this conversation? 

    And now I'm being told that I should be deported. This place is a cesspool of hate. 
    And yet you voted for someone for POTUS who hates women, minorities, liberals and dems, the LGBTQ community and democracy. Not once, not twice but apparently coming up on three times without articulating why other than having the R next to their name. Seems pretty hateful to me.
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  • JB16057JB16057 Posts: 1,269
    And yet you voted for someone for POTUS who hates women, minorities, liberals and dems, the LGBTQ community and democracy. Not once, not twice but apparently coming up on three times without articulating why other than having the R next to their name. Seems pretty hateful to me.
    Potus who hates women, minorities, liberals and dems? 

    Biden hates his own grandchild. There's plenty of hate going around. Just remember, "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black". 

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