tempo_n_groove said:

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mickeyrat said:

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Halifax2TheMax said:

Someone aught to remind them.

After John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson in the presidential election of 1800, the two men broke off correspondence; they began writing to one another again in 1812, and below is one of the first letters that they exchanged. Adams died in Quincy, Massachusetts, on July 4, 1826—the fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. His last words were “Jefferson lives.” Jefferson, in fact, had died hours earlier in Monticello, Virginia. He had asked his attending physician, “Is it the Fourth?”

1812 | United States

Remembrances of a Republic Past

Thomas Jefferson and John Adams

A letter from you calls up recollections very dear to my mind. It carries me back to the times when, beset with difficulties and dangers, we were fellow laborers in the same cause, struggling for what is most valuable to man, his right of self-government. Laboring always at the same oar, with some wave ever ahead threatening to overwhelm us and yet passing harmless under our bark, we knew not how, we rode through the storm with heart and hand, and made a happy port. Still we did not expect to be without rubs and difficulties—and we have had them. First the detention of the Western posts: then the coalition of Pillnitz, outlawing our commerce with France, and the British enforcement of the outlawry. In your day French depredations: in mine English, and the Berlin and Milan decrees: now the English orders of council and the piracies they authorize. When these shall be over, it will be the impressment of our seamen, or something else: and so we have gone on, and so we shall go on, puzzled and prospering beyond example in the history of man. And I do believe we shall continue to grow, to multiply and prosper until we exhibit an association, powerful, wise, and happy beyond what has yet been seen by men. As for France and England, with all their preeminence in science, the one is a den of robbers, and the other of pirates. And if science produces no better fruits than tyranny, murder, rapine, and destitution of national morality, I would rather wish our country to be ignorant, honest, and estimable as our neighboring savages are.

If anyone ever has the chance read Adams.  Fascinating book.  I would also tell everyone to read the letters these two wrote back and forth to each other.  Wordsmiths the both of them.

there was a mini series on Adams on HBO with Paul Giamatti as Adams. Well done I thought.

I forgot about that.  I need to watch it.  He won awards for that portrayal too I believe.

mickeyrat said:

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cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

And remind them of this as well. Hypocriting much?

They opposed the infrastructure law. Now, some in the GOP court its cash.

Republicans have cheered the arrival of new federal money to improve local roads, bridges, pipes, ports and internet connections, nearly two years after voting against those very investments

It is not hypocritical to vote against something and then use the $ that comes through on projects that matter.  That's how adults work.  You have your say, you lose, you move on.

Now - as gimmie states...trying to take credit for it is pure hypocrisy and political for sure

If they voted against it, their districts shouldn’t receive a penny. “Adults.”

except that punishes those that voted AGAINST that candidate.

tempo_n_groove said:

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mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Someone aught to remind them.

After John Adams beat Thomas Jefferson in the presidential election of 1800, the two men broke off correspondence; they began writing to one another again in 1812, and below is one of the first letters that they exchanged. Adams died in Quincy, Massachusetts, on July 4, 1826—the fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. His last words were “Jefferson lives.” Jefferson, in fact, had died hours earlier in Monticello, Virginia. He had asked his attending physician, “Is it the Fourth?”

1812 | United States

Remembrances of a Republic Past

Thomas Jefferson and John Adams

A letter from you calls up recollections very dear to my mind. It carries me back to the times when, beset with difficulties and dangers, we were fellow laborers in the same cause, struggling for what is most valuable to man, his right of self-government. Laboring always at the same oar, with some wave ever ahead threatening to overwhelm us and yet passing harmless under our bark, we knew not how, we rode through the storm with heart and hand, and made a happy port. Still we did not expect to be without rubs and difficulties—and we have had them. First the detention of the Western posts: then the coalition of Pillnitz, outlawing our commerce with France, and the British enforcement of the outlawry. In your day French depredations: in mine English, and the Berlin and Milan decrees: now the English orders of council and the piracies they authorize. When these shall be over, it will be the impressment of our seamen, or something else: and so we have gone on, and so we shall go on, puzzled and prospering beyond example in the history of man. And I do believe we shall continue to grow, to multiply and prosper until we exhibit an association, powerful, wise, and happy beyond what has yet been seen by men. As for France and England, with all their preeminence in science, the one is a den of robbers, and the other of pirates. And if science produces no better fruits than tyranny, murder, rapine, and destitution of national morality, I would rather wish our country to be ignorant, honest, and estimable as our neighboring savages are.

If anyone ever has the chance read Adams.  Fascinating book.  I would also tell everyone to read the letters these two wrote back and forth to each other.  Wordsmiths the both of them.

there was a mini series on Adams on HBO with Paul Giamatti as Adams. Well done I thought.

I forgot about that.  I need to watch it.  He won awards for that portrayal too I believe.