14 years and counting...

My immigration thoughts are definitely tainted.  

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So NY is a sanctuary state but not every city is a sanctuary city.  

Schools in Brooklyn had their gymnasiums taken away to house the bussed in asylum seekers.  6 schools so far.

Other towns are speaking out that they don't have the infrastructure to absorb them.

It is pretty nuts that we have a housing shortage and we are accepting all of these people here.  Doesn't seem like the proper thing to do but what do I know?

so, what's the solution? dont let em off the bus and do to some other place what Tx , Fla and at one time Az did?

I'll tell you that a gymnasium at a school currently being used by students isn't it.

I figure NYC is letting them in for money reasons but since they aren't getting what they applied for the mayor is shipping the people out to other places or doing it on the very cheap.

If you want to let the number of people in that we are then the government has to make sure that money and facilities are in place for doing so and so far they aren't.

Halifax2TheMax said:

Let me know when the other side announces their immigration and budget to support immigration reform. Thus far, it’s been crickets. It takes two to tango and building a wall and demonization of immigrants are not the solution. Seems some anger is misdirected.

While these steps will help address some of the most acute challenges at the Southwest border, they will not solve all of the problems in an immigration system that has been broken for far too long. That can only happen if Republicans in Congress who have spent the past two years talking about border security quit blocking the comprehensive immigration reform and border security measures President Biden proposed on his first day in office, and opposing the billions of dollars in additional funds the President has requested for border security and management.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/01/05/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-new-border-enforcement-actions/

Spoiler: they don't want to solve the problem. 

It's far too good of a talking point / rallying cry when it comes election time. 

Conservatives have been talking about immigrants coming across the southern border and taking our jobs since the 1800s, why would they want to give that up? 

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

My immigration thoughts are definitely tainted.  

I processed free and reduced meal applications for a school district with over 4500 students and something like 17 different languages being spoken.  If I had questions about the application a family member (usually one of the kids) would translate the answers or I would have them come in for a meeting with an ESL teacher/counselor so they could assist them.  I remember about 90% of them telling me “god bless you”.  American citizens were rude, ignorant, and entitled.  So whether a new citizen child or an American child that’s all I could see.  The children.  If taking shit from an American citizen parent meant their child could eat that day well so be it. 

 

Start looking at individuals in front of you as a single human rather than as someone from a group.  

NYC doesn't like to close the schools down for any reason.  Do you know why?  Most inner city kids are fed through the schools.  Feeding the kids doesn't bother me in the slightest, we've been doing this for years.

It's the strain on the teachers in the schools where it becomes a problem.  Kids need structure to learn.  Take that from them and you'll get chaos just like the ones the people in charge are doing thinking it's for the best.

This is well said.

Illegal (and probably legal too) immigration disproportionally effects certain communities more and does create a big strain on the services, including education. 

Two different schools can have the same budget. One uses a large portion of it for co-teachers and ESL support which leads to over crowded conditions, high teacher turnover, fewer elective options for students, slower pacing for classes, etc. The other can reduce class sizes and keep the building up to date with it, offer more advance classes, keep up with technology, etc. Its a big strain that is rarely acknowledged. And if that other school is in a different district, chances are it will have better pay and retain better teachers as well. Ignoring the stress it creates doesn't help anyone. 

And acknowledging it isn't bad. I can see them as individuals and have empathy for what them and understand the strain on resources at the same time. 

Oh yes you can just like I can believe in allowing immigrants in while enforcing laws and having structure. 

cblock4life said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

My immigration thoughts are definitely tainted.  

I processed free and reduced meal applications for a school district with over 4500 students and something like 17 different languages being spoken.  If I had questions about the application a family member (usually one of the kids) would translate the answers or I would have them come in for a meeting with an ESL teacher/counselor so they could assist them.  I remember about 90% of them telling me “god bless you”.  American citizens were rude, ignorant, and entitled.  So whether a new citizen child or an American child that’s all I could see.  The children.  If taking shit from an American citizen parent meant their child could eat that day well so be it. 

 

Start looking at individuals in front of you as a single human rather than as someone from a group.  

NYC doesn't like to close the schools down for any reason.  Do you know why?  Most inner city kids are fed through the schools.  Feeding the kids doesn't bother me in the slightest, we've been doing this for years.

It's the strain on the teachers in the schools where it becomes a problem.  Kids need structure to learn.  Take that from them and you'll get chaos just like the ones the people in charge are doing thinking it's for the best.

This is well said.

Illegal (and probably legal too) immigration disproportionally effects certain communities more and does create a big strain on the services, including education. 

Two different schools can have the same budget. One uses a large portion of it for co-teachers and ESL support which leads to over crowded conditions, high teacher turnover, fewer elective options for students, slower pacing for classes, etc. The other can reduce class sizes and keep the building up to date with it, offer more advance classes, keep up with technology, etc. Its a big strain that is rarely acknowledged. And if that other school is in a different district, chances are it will have better pay and retain better teachers as well. Ignoring the stress it creates doesn't help anyone. 

And acknowledging it isn't bad. I can see them as individuals and have empathy for what them and understand the strain on resources at the same time. 

Oh yes you can just like I can believe in allowing immigrants in while enforcing laws and having structure. 

Why isn’t your district or district A above not receiving extra money for ESL students?  We had so many grants approved that not one penny of residents money was used for immigrants food or ESL teachers.  Now this was ten years ago but I’m fairly certain it’s still budgeted that way.  

My understanding is a lot of that money is for teacher training, certifications and PD, or after school programs and tutoring, things like that. Not staffing and salaries. 
I could be wrong, but that's how I always thought it worked with that. Food is paid for by a different budget, you are correct about that.

Either way, my point was there is a lot more money that goes into poorer communities than people realize. Those communities with a higher migrant population are often in the lower-income areas.

Schools with low-income families often don't charge for busses, will pay for fees associated with class, will provide students with electronic devices and computers and so many more things other schools don't need to even consider. Schools in upper middle class areas will charge for bussing, don't provide electronics because they can rely on families supplying them. Don't need to provide basic school supplies or personal sporting equipment. Leaves more money for building maintenance and updates. Money for sports and fields and club sponsorship. More money for more elective classes. Money for custodians and providing a cleaner school. And teacher salaries.
Those schools are often all around much better places to attend and work. When money from the budget is being used to provide bussing, class fees, student supplies, student devices, personal sporting equipment, there is no money left for custodians and teacher salaries. The school is outdated, not cleaned, offers fewer electives and honors classes.

That's exactly how 2 schools a few miles from each other can look completely different. Both get the same state and federal funding. One has to use more resources on the students, the other has more to use on the school as a whole. 

mace1229 said:

cblock4life said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

My immigration thoughts are definitely tainted.  

I processed free and reduced meal applications for a school district with over 4500 students and something like 17 different languages being spoken.  If I had questions about the application a family member (usually one of the kids) would translate the answers or I would have them come in for a meeting with an ESL teacher/counselor so they could assist them.  I remember about 90% of them telling me “god bless you”.  American citizens were rude, ignorant, and entitled.  So whether a new citizen child or an American child that’s all I could see.  The children.  If taking shit from an American citizen parent meant their child could eat that day well so be it. 

 

Start looking at individuals in front of you as a single human rather than as someone from a group.  

NYC doesn't like to close the schools down for any reason.  Do you know why?  Most inner city kids are fed through the schools.  Feeding the kids doesn't bother me in the slightest, we've been doing this for years.

It's the strain on the teachers in the schools where it becomes a problem.  Kids need structure to learn.  Take that from them and you'll get chaos just like the ones the people in charge are doing thinking it's for the best.

This is well said.

Illegal (and probably legal too) immigration disproportionally effects certain communities more and does create a big strain on the services, including education. 

Two different schools can have the same budget. One uses a large portion of it for co-teachers and ESL support which leads to over crowded conditions, high teacher turnover, fewer elective options for students, slower pacing for classes, etc. The other can reduce class sizes and keep the building up to date with it, offer more advance classes, keep up with technology, etc. Its a big strain that is rarely acknowledged. And if that other school is in a different district, chances are it will have better pay and retain better teachers as well. Ignoring the stress it creates doesn't help anyone. 

And acknowledging it isn't bad. I can see them as individuals and have empathy for what them and understand the strain on resources at the same time. 

Oh yes you can just like I can believe in allowing immigrants in while enforcing laws and having structure. 

Why isn’t your district or district A above not receiving extra money for ESL students?  We had so many grants approved that not one penny of residents money was used for immigrants food or ESL teachers.  Now this was ten years ago but I’m fairly certain it’s still budgeted that way.  

My understanding is a lot of that money is for teacher training, certifications and PD, or after school programs and tutoring, things like that. Not staffing and salaries. 
I could be wrong, but that's how I always thought it worked with that. Food is paid for by a different budget, you are correct about that.

Either way, my point was there is a lot more money that goes into poorer communities than people realize. Those communities with a higher migrant population are often in the lower-income areas.

Schools with low-income families often don't charge for busses, will pay for fees associated with class, will provide students with electronic devices and computers and so many more things other schools don't need to even consider. Schools in upper middle class areas will charge for bussing, don't provide electronics because they can rely on families supplying them. Don't need to provide basic school supplies or personal sporting equipment. Leaves more money for building maintenance and updates. Money for sports and fields and club sponsorship. More money for more elective classes. Money for custodians and providing a cleaner school. And teacher salaries.
Those schools are often all around much better places to attend and work. When money from the budget is being used to provide bussing, class fees, student supplies, student devices, personal sporting equipment, there is no money left for custodians and teacher salaries. The school is outdated, not cleaned, offers fewer electives and honors classes.

That's exactly how 2 schools a few miles from each other can look completely different. Both get the same state and federal funding. One has to use more resources on the students, the other has more to use on the school as a whole. 

Looks like Title I funds are utilized differently state by state.  Would have thought federal $$ would have consistent rules around the country like abortion, oh never mind. 

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

mace1229 said:

I don’t know why we’re joking about this and pretending it’s not a problem. Just because it didn’t look like a zombie hoard from TWD doesn’t mean it’s not a big problem.

“Migrant border crossings in fiscal year 2022 topped 2.76 million, breaking previous record”

that’s some big numbers right there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517

Mace, I just want a logical answer.  Restaurants around me are cutting their hours because no one wants to work in the food industry any longer. Old folks around me can’t find anyone to cut their grass for less than 50.  Waste management had to purchase garbage trucks that can auto lift and empty the cans because no one wants to be a garbage man.  You know where I’m going with this. We expect and ensure that our children are doing better than each generation before.  So first, who do you think will start filling all these jobs?  Farmers, laborers, etc.  And second, what’s wrong with other mothers and fathers just like us wanting more for their children.  

I’m on your side that something has to be done and so are these people you’re getting upset with.  Everyone acts and thinks differently about everything going on.  I don’t think anyone means to upset you.  

Cheap paying jobs that should pay more.  Lots of people got out during the pandemic because they could afford to.

Why teens don't do this work anymore is a mystery to me though.  As a teen you aren't expected to make a ton of money, just make some beer money.  I landscaped for years my friends all washed dishes.  Are kids that spoiled that they don't want to work?

That's also a big part of it. Teens aren't driving anymore and working a lot less. Jobs that used to be staffed by mostly high school students (like McDonalds) had to raise wages to appeal to adults to get employees.

Drive by a high school that had adequate parking 10-15 years ago and it will be half empty now. A lot were over crowded, so it looks right now, but if it had enough spaces in 2005, its half empty now. 

It looks funny, my last hight school in Colorado had a ton of parking. There was a huge paved lot, then a giant dirt lot, but the dirt lot had street lights and curbs all around it, it just looked weird. Come to find it, somewhere around 2010, they were short on student parking. They started to build a second lot. They did the curb first, then put in the lights. But before they got to paving it, students stopped driving. Now the one we had that was cramped, goes half empty every day. And the dirt lot that's half made, just sits there abandoned. 

Kids aren't driving now?  They don't want to get out and go places now?

my nearly 17 year old has no interest in driving. and literally NONE of her friends do either. my wife and I find it BAFFLING

I have a theory.  So many drivers suffer from Tourette’s syndrome every time they get behind the wheel and with so much road rage going on I think they just don’t want to deal with it.  

I think the things we bitch and complain about are the things our children stay away from. 

So off topic but my uncle had Tourette's and drove.  Now never having been with him in a car absolutely scared the shit out of me because when he had his episode, which was quite frequent, he would whip the steering wheel.  Now going 50-60mph this is no damn fun for a 10yo, lol.  I thought I was going to die.

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cblock4life said:

mace1229 said:

I don’t know why we’re joking about this and pretending it’s not a problem. Just because it didn’t look like a zombie hoard from TWD doesn’t mean it’s not a big problem.

“Migrant border crossings in fiscal year 2022 topped 2.76 million, breaking previous record”

that’s some big numbers right there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna53517

Mace, I just want a logical answer.  Restaurants around me are cutting their hours because no one wants to work in the food industry any longer. Old folks around me can’t find anyone to cut their grass for less than 50.  Waste management had to purchase garbage trucks that can auto lift and empty the cans because no one wants to be a garbage man.  You know where I’m going with this. We expect and ensure that our children are doing better than each generation before.  So first, who do you think will start filling all these jobs?  Farmers, laborers, etc.  And second, what’s wrong with other mothers and fathers just like us wanting more for their children.  

I’m on your side that something has to be done and so are these people you’re getting upset with.  Everyone acts and thinks differently about everything going on.  I don’t think anyone means to upset you.  

Cheap paying jobs that should pay more.  Lots of people got out during the pandemic because they could afford to.

Why teens don't do this work anymore is a mystery to me though.  As a teen you aren't expected to make a ton of money, just make some beer money.  I landscaped for years my friends all washed dishes.  Are kids that spoiled that they don't want to work?

That's also a big part of it. Teens aren't driving anymore and working a lot less. Jobs that used to be staffed by mostly high school students (like McDonalds) had to raise wages to appeal to adults to get employees.

Drive by a high school that had adequate parking 10-15 years ago and it will be half empty now. A lot were over crowded, so it looks right now, but if it had enough spaces in 2005, its half empty now. 

It looks funny, my last hight school in Colorado had a ton of parking. There was a huge paved lot, then a giant dirt lot, but the dirt lot had street lights and curbs all around it, it just looked weird. Come to find it, somewhere around 2010, they were short on student parking. They started to build a second lot. They did the curb first, then put in the lights. But before they got to paving it, students stopped driving. Now the one we had that was cramped, goes half empty every day. And the dirt lot that's half made, just sits there abandoned. 

Kids aren't driving now?  They don't want to get out and go places now?

my nearly 17 year old has no interest in driving. and literally NONE of her friends do either. my wife and I find it BAFFLING

I have a theory.  So many drivers suffer from Tourette’s syndrome every time they get behind the wheel and with so much road rage going on I think they just don’t want to deal with it.  

I think the things we bitch and complain about are the things our children stay away from. 

So off topic but my uncle had Tourette's and drove.  Now never having been with him in a car absolutely scared the shit out of me because when he had his episode, which was quite frequent, he would whip the steering wheel.  Now going 50-60mph this is no damn fun for a 10yo, lol.  I thought I was going to die.

Oh man I’m sorry.  I know you weren’t scolding me but I still feel bad. 

I couldn’t wait to get my license.  First night I begged to go buy “conditioner” and they finally said yes.  Cars back then were huge (mercury marquis).  So I drove around and picked up all my friends and we all went to buy conditioner then I drove them home.  Thinking back I lied as much as trump just to get out of the house!  

HughFreakingDillon said:

my theory is that my wife and all the other mothers drive their kids everywhere at every whim without making them walk/take the bus/bike/etc, they have no interest. 

it drives me crazy. my daughter refuses to take the bus to the mall. so what happens? MY WIFE DRIVES HER. or her friend's mom drives them. or another mom. 

my youngest is different, as are all her friends. they just hop on a bus without knowing a damn thing. but she's motivated. my oldest is not (homebody). so my wife's excuse is "I'm just happy she's going out". hook, line, and sinker. I give rides in Winnipeg's Siberian winters. But not now. 

but yeah, and none of them want to work either. she spends no money so no motivation there. it will happen, but just not yet. 

Wait, kids still goto the mall?
That's more surprising than not driving.

I think phones have a lot to do with it. A license was your freedom when I was that age. Today, its their phone. They don't need to be in person as much, they just connect via their phones.