Don Mattingly Appreciation Thread

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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,175
    Thank you from the Phillies
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    4/28/16- Philly, PA
    4/29/16- Philly, PA
    5/1/16- NYC
    5/2/16- NYC
    9/2/18- Boston, MA
    9/4/18- Boston, MA
    9/14/22- Camden, NJ
    9/7/24- Philly, PA
    9/9/24- Philly, PA
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly. PA
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    Now they decide to play well
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Looks like it will be another 1 run loss
    They survived. 23-39
    23-40
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    Mattingly wins his final game as Marlins manager 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    igotid88 said:
    Given that 90% of the Marlins players underperformed this year and the record is similar to last year. Great job Mattingly.
    Next manager will probably have Jazz the full season. An improved Lopez, Rogers, Luzardo, and Cabrera. Most likely better free agent signings.
    Manager gets a "great job" because his players did not play to their potential? Interesting way of looking at it!
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    Given that 90% of the Marlins players underperformed this year and the record is similar to last year. Great job Mattingly.
    Next manager will probably have Jazz the full season. An improved Lopez, Rogers, Luzardo, and Cabrera. Most likely better free agent signings.
    Manager gets a "great job" because his players did not play to their potential? Interesting way of looking at it!
    Record could have been worse. It's not like he told them to suck at baseball 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    igotid88 said:
    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    Given that 90% of the Marlins players underperformed this year and the record is similar to last year. Great job Mattingly.
    Next manager will probably have Jazz the full season. An improved Lopez, Rogers, Luzardo, and Cabrera. Most likely better free agent signings.
    Manager gets a "great job" because his players did not play to their potential? Interesting way of looking at it!
    Record could have been worse. It's not like he told them to suck at baseball 
    The good managers or coaches are the ones who are able to get the most out of their players though. 
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    edited October 2022
    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    Given that 90% of the Marlins players underperformed this year and the record is similar to last year. Great job Mattingly.
    Next manager will probably have Jazz the full season. An improved Lopez, Rogers, Luzardo, and Cabrera. Most likely better free agent signings.
    Manager gets a "great job" because his players did not play to their potential? Interesting way of looking at it!
    Record could have been worse. It's not like he told them to suck at baseball 
    The good managers or coaches are the ones who are able to get the most out of their players though. 
    They can only encourage them. I don't think he was awful to the players. He gave them many chances. He got the best out of Sandy. He got the best out of Stanton when he was here. Was able to get an MVP and possible CY Young.  
    You're telling me Matt Carpenter was having the best season of his career because of Boone? He just got here and started hitting. Had nothing to do with Boone. 
    I also think the Phillies would have ended up with a similar record had Girardi stayed. You guys have good players that would have eventually played better. Even though they hated him
    Very rarely can you get a bad team to win above .500. Maybe more back before analytics. But if you noticed all these managers that went from good teams to bad teams. Couldn't make those bad teams better. Hinch from Houston to Detroit, Maddon from the Cubs to the Angels. 

    The Marlins are also rebuilding. It usually takes between 4-6 years. Like the Astros and Cubs for example to start winning again. They thought this was the year. But injuries and bad signings prevented that. You had 2 starting pitchers who took steps back. They had no depth.

    They have a chance to get to 80 wins next year if they played to the back of their baseball cards.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    igotid88 said:
    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    The Juggler said:
    igotid88 said:
    Given that 90% of the Marlins players underperformed this year and the record is similar to last year. Great job Mattingly.
    Next manager will probably have Jazz the full season. An improved Lopez, Rogers, Luzardo, and Cabrera. Most likely better free agent signings.
    Manager gets a "great job" because his players did not play to their potential? Interesting way of looking at it!
    Record could have been worse. It's not like he told them to suck at baseball 
    The good managers or coaches are the ones who are able to get the most out of their players though. 
    They can only encourage them. I don't think he was awful to the players. He gave them many chances. He got the best out of Sandy. He got the best out of Stanton when he was here. Was able to get an MVP and possible CY Young.  
    You're telling me Matt Carpenter was having the best season of his career because of Boone? He just got here and started hitting. Had nothing to do with Boone. 
    I also think the Phillies would have ended up with a similar record had Girardi stayed. You guys have good players that would have eventually played better. Even though they hated him
    Very rarely can you get a bad team to win above .500. Maybe more back before analytics. But if you noticed all these managers that went from good teams to bad teams. Couldn't make those bad teams better. Hinch from Houston to Detroit, Maddon from the Cubs to the Angels. 

    The Marlins are also rebuilding. It usually takes between 4-6 years. Like the Astros and Cubs for example to start winning again. They thought this was the year. But injuries and bad signings prevented that. You had 2 starting pitchers who took steps back. They had no depth.

    They have a chance to get to 80 wins next year if they played to the back of their baseball cards.
    Girardi sucks. No way they would have made the playoffs if he didn't get fired. It was a lot of the young guys who stepped up this year that helped them and Girardi was notorious for not trusting young players. Plus he was too stiff and the players didn't really like him. Things loosened up a lot after he was let go and the results speak for themselves.

    I have always liked Mattingly since I was a kid, but saying he did a great job this year when his players underachieved does not make any sense to me. 
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    You want him to cattle prod them? 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    igotid88 said:
    You want him to cattle prod them? 
    Lol....you're only saying he did a great job because he's Donnie Fricken Baseball. 
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  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,259
    managers in general are hugely overrated...same with basketball and football coaches.

    is bobby cox in the HOF without his starting pitching?

    is TLR there without steroids?

    is joe torre there without steroids and a huge payroll?

    is phil jackson the second coming of christ without MJ, shaq and kobe?

    the best baseball managing I can remember was bruce bochy and how he got underdog Giants teams to 3 rings. he truly did push all the right buttons in those runs. but, as you mentioned, I'm not sure "hunches" and "gut feelings" are even allowed anymore, in this age of analytics.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    Phillies are out for a possible Mattingly managing job
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    With the Mets possibly losing half the team to free agency. They won't be able to sign all their good players. Scherzer might be done as a great pitcher or probably won't play the whole season. deGrom might leave. This might move the Marlins up the standings. 
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    Could the Dodgers job be open?
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  • igotid88
    igotid88 Posts: 28,623
    Well the Rangers job is out. Bochy will be their new manager 
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    igotid88 said:
    Well the Rangers job is out. Bochy will be their new manager 
    Great hire by Texas.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,834
    igotid88 said:
    With the Mets possibly losing half the team to free agency. They won't be able to sign all their good players. Scherzer might be done as a great pitcher or probably won't play the whole season. deGrom might leave. This might move the Marlins up the standings. 

    Don’t forget this is a new era. The Mets have more money than anyone else. Cohen will spend his way to 90 wins a year. 
  • Wobbie
    Wobbie Posts: 31,259
    igotid88 said:
    Well the Rangers job is out. Bochy will be their new manager 
    the guy who schooled donnie on trips to the mound, when donnie was the d**gers manager.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    Missoula 12
    Portland 13, Spokane 13
    St. Paul 14, Denver 14
    Philly I & II, 16
    Denver 22
    Missoula 24
  • igotid88
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    Wobbie said:
    igotid88 said:
    Well the Rangers job is out. Bochy will be their new manager 
    the guy who schooled donnie on trips to the mound, when donnie was the d**gers manager.
    He wasn't the manager. Torre was thrown out. And that was an honest mistake. Barely left the mound. 
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