Smashing Pumpkins
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We aren’t getting another archive until the record is out. That’s my feeling.0
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Im more pissed the Uber deluxe “limited” tool album is available for $60 on Amazon. I feel comparatively ripped off not that I think it wasn’t one hell of a box set and one hell of an albumZod said:yah... I think the reason that pumpkins went from a band that could sell out full size nhl/nba arena's to a theatre/small arena level band was two fold. The first was Billy's phased where he didn't want to play any of the music off the first albums, which kind of made people not interest in going to shows. The 2nd was he's a bit of a douche.. lol.I still love the music, and since they play early stuff again I'm eager to go.I find it hard to plunk down that money for the new album before I found out if I like it or not. I still feel ripped off by the new tool album, when the put it out in an uber expensive boxset, only to rerelease it as a 3lp version a few months later.Maybe I'll buy the standard version of the album when it comes out.
I figured a regular version was coming, just not that soon. That doesn’t bother me either way as it’s different
tool kind of screwed us there. At least SP says 1,333 boxes at $225. You at least know the situation even if you haven’t heard it. It’s not going to the Amazon bargain bin for sure
im not dropping $200 or whatever on anything if it’s not going to be collectible in some way. As irrational as that may be, it helps justify it. The tool box set isn’t.SP box it’s doubtful I’ll get it. If it’s available after a bunch more tracks are released maybe, but it’ll be gone by then so I’m good with thatPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
the MTS Centre holds 13,000 people. they booked it for the Oceania tour. They got 4,000 people. The Manitoba Moose get more than that. these promoters don't seem to learn.
THE PUMPKINS AREN'T AN ARENA ACT ANYMORE.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I'm fine with that, need a break from spending the kind of money they ask for these Archive releases. Decided to pre order the regular non deluxe Atum on black vinyl as the price dropped briefly. Not sure how the pressing available in the UK can possibly be only 1500. Something not right there.Tim Simmons said:We aren’t getting another archive until the record is out. That’s my feeling.0 -
If its not pre-2000 SP, I'm just not interested anymore.
Between his changes in songwriting (and even post 98, I'm not crazy about it) and certainly him taking lead on production, no thanks.
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Zod said:yah... I think the reason that pumpkins went from a band that could sell out full size nhl/nba arena's to a theatre/small arena level band was two fold. The first was Billy's phased where he didn't want to play any of the music off the first albums, which kind of made people not interest in going to shows. The 2nd was he's a bit of a douche.. lol.I still love the music, and since they play early stuff again I'm eager to go.I find it hard to plunk down that money for the new album before I found out if I like it or not. I still feel ripped off by the new tool album, when the put it out in an uber expensive boxset, only to rerelease it as a 3lp version a few months later.Maybe I'll buy the standard version of the album when it comes out.I got a special deal for the Vancouver show $20 tickets all fees in, during a summer sale. Yet the arena has barely sold. I doubt this tour continues on. Even if it does, I may eat the $20 and go the Foals that night who put on an amazing live show.The only time I saw SP in 2000 it was by far the most disappointing show I have ever been to of at least 500 concerts. I knew alot of their music going into that show and literally walked out after thinking that they played all new songs I never heard of. SP was at their peak then, but lost most of their fans then because they refused to play hits.If they did a siamese dream or melon collie album tour you would see much better sales, but I doubt Corgan wants to admit his band is a nostalgic band, when that's exactly what it is at this point.
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chitty said:Zod said:yah... I think the reason that pumpkins went from a band that could sell out full size nhl/nba arena's to a theatre/small arena level band was two fold. The first was Billy's phased where he didn't want to play any of the music off the first albums, which kind of made people not interest in going to shows. The 2nd was he's a bit of a douche.. lol.I still love the music, and since they play early stuff again I'm eager to go.I find it hard to plunk down that money for the new album before I found out if I like it or not. I still feel ripped off by the new tool album, when the put it out in an uber expensive boxset, only to rerelease it as a 3lp version a few months later.Maybe I'll buy the standard version of the album when it comes out.I got a special deal for the Vancouver show $20 tickets all fees in, during a summer sale. Yet the arena has barely sold. I doubt this tour continues on. Even if it does, I may eat the $20 and go the Foals that night who put on an amazing live show.The only time I saw SP in 2000 it was by far the most disappointing show I have ever been to of at least 500 concerts. I knew alot of their music going into that show and literally walked out after thinking that they played all new songs I never heard of. SP was at their peak then, but lost most of their fans then because they refused to play hits.If they did a siamese dream or melon collie album tour you would see much better sales, but I doubt Corgan wants to admit his band is a nostalgic band, when that's exactly what it is at this point.Yah that's why we stopped going. I saw SP once at a Lolla in Vancouver (93?), and then the show in '97. I felt like that show in '97 was peak. They were selling out full sized arena's to ravenous fans and playing all their best songs.After that, they went into the phase (As you mentioned) of not playing any songs anyone knew, refusing to play their earlier catalog. Then the area of replacing most of the members. It was only went they brought back James Iha a few years ago and I saw the setlists included older material that I got interested in seeing them again.Hopefully the show isn't too bad (if it happens). It had been 25 years since I'd seen them, and I've been on an SP kick lately, so getting one more chance to see them might not be so bad.0
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To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
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Nothing from my favorite album of theirs Gish.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows0 -
😂 Billy can only go so far in pleasing everyone as I’m sure it pains himJeBurkhardt said:
Nothing from my favorite album of theirs Gish.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
I notice that too, but at least he’s recognising he has to play popular stuffPost edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
We were hoping to see them in St Louis, but we already made a commitment for that night, so we are going to have to miss it.0
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True, and I am sure it is still a good show, especially with JA on the bill.Cropduster-80 said:
😂 Billy can only go so far in pleasing everyone as I’m sure it pains himJeBurkhardt said:
Nothing from my favorite album of theirs Gish.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
I notice that too, but at least he’s recognising he has to play popular stuff0 -
I see why most people wouldn’t dig this but I’ve always found it strangely enjoyable, lol. It seems to actually have an odd flow to it, lol.
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The tour they did in 2018 was phenomenal.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
Setlist from Boston show (had a front row seat):
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Poncier said:
The tour they did in 2018 was phenomenal.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
Setlist from Boston show (had a front row seat):
The Smashing Pumpkins Concert Setlist at TD Garden, Boston on July 31, 2018 | setlist.fm- (Billy Corgan solo)Play Video
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- (David Bowie cover)Play Video
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- Zero Speech InterludePlay Video
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- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #1Play Video
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- (Fleetwood Mac cover)Play Video
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- (Led Zeppelin cover)Play Video
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- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #2Play Video
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my show in Columbus...
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
Went to the show in Tampa Friday night. My thoughts:
Very good size crowd.
I am a big fan of Jane's, but I could tell the crowd was more there for the Pumpkins.
Dave not playing was noticeable, they sounded great, but his style adds that little extra that makes the band different.
Seemed like Jane's have a strict time limit to get off, I thought they were co-headliners so maybe they'd get an encore, but no.
Pumpkins were good. They were a little stiff at first, but the crowd popped during the hits. Billy Corgan is still an awkward lead guy, Iha did most of the crowd work. Towards the end, the two of them started to loosen up and try joking around, which actually made it seem like they were enjoying playing.
They hit their groove on 1979, probably the best song of the night.
They should adjust their setlist to not have so many unfamiliar songs in a row. A lot of people would stream out to restrooms after the 2nd non hit in a row. There were plenty of songs in the catalog they could have played to satisfy the crowd.
I do recommend going if you were on the fence, since it seems like you can get tickets pretty easily and cheap.0 -
2 shows and no Silverfuck...mickeyrat said:Poncier said:
The tour they did in 2018 was phenomenal.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
Setlist from Boston show (had a front row seat):
The Smashing Pumpkins Concert Setlist at TD Garden, Boston on July 31, 2018 | setlist.fm- (Billy Corgan solo)Play Video
- Play Video
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- Play Video
- (David Bowie cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- Zero Speech InterludePlay Video
- Play Video
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- Play Video
- Play Video
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- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #1Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
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- (Fleetwood Mac cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- (Led Zeppelin cover)Play Video
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- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #2Play Video
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my show in Columbus...0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
2 shows and no Silverfuck...mickeyrat said:Poncier said:
The tour they did in 2018 was phenomenal.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
Setlist from Boston show (had a front row seat):
The Smashing Pumpkins Concert Setlist at TD Garden, Boston on July 31, 2018 | setlist.fm- (Billy Corgan solo)Play Video
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- Play Video
- (David Bowie cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- Zero Speech InterludePlay Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
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- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #1Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- (Fleetwood Mac cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- (Led Zeppelin cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #2Play Video
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- Encore:
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my show in Columbus...^^^^^ 20182022 it was the closer.....
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
Oh yeah! Hot damn!mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
2 shows and no Silverfuck...mickeyrat said:Poncier said:
The tour they did in 2018 was phenomenal.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
Setlist from Boston show (had a front row seat):
The Smashing Pumpkins Concert Setlist at TD Garden, Boston on July 31, 2018 | setlist.fm- (Billy Corgan solo)Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- (David Bowie cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- Zero Speech InterludePlay Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #1Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- (Fleetwood Mac cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- (Led Zeppelin cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #2Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
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- Encore:
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my show in Columbus...^^^^^ 20182022 it was the closer.....0 -
tempo_n_groove said:
Oh yeah! Hot damn!mickeyrat said:tempo_n_groove said:
2 shows and no Silverfuck...mickeyrat said:Poncier said:
The tour they did in 2018 was phenomenal.Cropduster-80 said:To me this is as good of a set list as you can expect, considering a new album is going to fill a few song slots regardless. It’s a good balance so I don’t think there will be massive complaints about song choices.
FWIW I missed them 25 years ago unfortunately, and made up for it this time. I wasn’t disappointed. Had I made that show in the 90’s who knows
Setlist from Boston show (had a front row seat):
The Smashing Pumpkins Concert Setlist at TD Garden, Boston on July 31, 2018 | setlist.fm- (Billy Corgan solo)Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- (David Bowie cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- Zero Speech InterludePlay Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #1Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- (Fleetwood Mac cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- (Led Zeppelin cover)Play Video
- Play Video
- Mark McGrath Vaudeville Interlude #2Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
- Play Video
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- Encore:
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my show in Columbus...^^^^^ 20182022 it was the closer.....
its in the set this tour with Jane's. not a closer but its being played.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140
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