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Fair enough, but why do you seem to only defend this government, rarely if ever being critical of them? If you never (or extremely rarely) criticize them despite your claims, you support them in my opinion.HughFreakingDillon said:there's plenty wrong with the trudeau government, as you pointed out. But as I've said many, many times, the other options, in my eyes, are much, much worse. I will happily vote for someone else who doesn't seem to be a bigger buffoon than JT.
Just because you don’t like the other guys doesn’t mean you let a criminal walk. Although that is what they did to Jesus, lol.
And at what point does the weight of Trudeau’s “controversies” have an effect? Because this is one of, if not the most “controversial” government of my lifetime.
And let’s remember, Canada just turned its back on someone who was far, far less of a buffoon than Justin: Erin O’Toole, who served in our armed forces, completed a law degree before working in the private sector before entering public life. But a buffoon who was adamantly politicizing vaccines was the preferred option. O’Toole (and all the other leaders except Trudeau) were all talking in terms of bringing Canadians together while Justin was dividing us into camps."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Lol. I am critical of the Trudeau government. I think he's a goof for lack of a better word. I think he's the worst PM we've ever had. I think the only reason he has flown under the radar is because compared to the dumpster fire in the south, he's looked good. But make no mistake, he is a corrupt PM for the reasons you mentioned amongst other things. That's not to say that he has done and said some good things. <- That is something I would absolutely love for the haters to actually muster the courage to say.DarthMaeglin said:
No reason we shouldn’t be talking about both is my point. I wasn’t going to introduce a second topic when I was having difficulty defending my point of view on the first subject. I’d been hoping someone else might have brought it up, since the Marouf business is far more troubling (to me) than a single goof in Alberta. Marouf’s language on public internet forums was just as offensive as anything Edmonton guy said (still confused why the women are rarely mentioned). And Marouf received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the federal government.Parksy said:What does the Laith Marouf issue have to do with the clown accosting Freeland? I'm confused.
I own my own part in giving a good smokescreen to distract from this government’s incompetence (a google would have found what a piece of shit Marouf is, but I suspect he ticked too many diversity boxes to warrant close inspection).
Seriously (and this is a general question not directed only at you Parksy), what will it take for people to be critical of this Trudeau’s government? SNC was downplayed and excused, there’s a climate hypocrite in the top job, we’ve had several recent allegations about Lucki being too close to the PMO, hell, we had a terrorist attack happen during the Occupation of Ottawa that we’ve heard far less about, and here, more often than not, there’s crickets. It’s just more than a bit confusing to me, in all honesty.
The amount of hate he gets from what can only be described as the dumbest morons of our population is completely misplaced and done so with no respect whatsoever. (Alberta guy)
At present, Polievre is using similar Trump tactics to gain popularity... make zero mistake about that. As such, if he is named Conservative Leader next week... I'll vote any way possible to prevent him from gaining any power. Because as much as I don't like Trudeau, I despise anything remotely close to Trumpism or the Freedom Convoy morons more. And I don't base that on a headline here or there. I've read Pierre's interviews, I've watched his interviews, his debates, panel discussions, his YouTube channel. I'm watching the man carefully and I don't like anything he has to say. The only good point he makes here or there are also echoed by every other conservative go getter... including Charest.
If an election were today and I had to choose between Polievre and Trudeau, I would pick Trudeau. Even after everything I just said about him. If I could choose between Charest and Trudeau on the other hand.. I would choose Charest in a heartbeat... in fact if he's named Leader of the Conservatives... that would actually be the only political moment in recent Canadian history that will have made me remotely happy. That's a longshot though... what's likely.. is that Polievre is made leader and I'm left saying "Seriously, that turd burglar?" Then we would have a couple years of arguing... good points being made... but ultimately Polievre vs. Trudeau & Singh... with Trudeau once again winning a minority. The media bias will continue. The potshots will continue. All garbage.
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Thanks, and I do have to acknowledge that you have been critical of some of what this government’s done.Parksy said:
Lol. I am critical of the Trudeau government. I think he's a goof for lack of a better word. I think he's the worst PM we've ever had. I think the only reason he has flown under the radar is because compared to the dumpster fire in the south, he's looked good. But make no mistake, he is a corrupt PM for the reasons you mentioned amongst other things. That's not to say that he has done and said some good things. <- That is something I would absolutely love for the haters to actually muster the courage to say.DarthMaeglin said:
No reason we shouldn’t be talking about both is my point. I wasn’t going to introduce a second topic when I was having difficulty defending my point of view on the first subject. I’d been hoping someone else might have brought it up, since the Marouf business is far more troubling (to me) than a single goof in Alberta. Marouf’s language on public internet forums was just as offensive as anything Edmonton guy said (still confused why the women are rarely mentioned). And Marouf received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the federal government.Parksy said:What does the Laith Marouf issue have to do with the clown accosting Freeland? I'm confused.
I own my own part in giving a good smokescreen to distract from this government’s incompetence (a google would have found what a piece of shit Marouf is, but I suspect he ticked too many diversity boxes to warrant close inspection).
Seriously (and this is a general question not directed only at you Parksy), what will it take for people to be critical of this Trudeau’s government? SNC was downplayed and excused, there’s a climate hypocrite in the top job, we’ve had several recent allegations about Lucki being too close to the PMO, hell, we had a terrorist attack happen during the Occupation of Ottawa that we’ve heard far less about, and here, more often than not, there’s crickets. It’s just more than a bit confusing to me, in all honesty.
The amount of hate he gets from what can only be described as the dumbest morons of our population is completely misplaced and done so with no respect whatsoever. (Alberta guy)
At present, Polievre is using similar Trump tactics to gain popularity... make zero mistake about that. As such, if he is named Conservative Leader next week... I'll vote any way possible to prevent him from gaining any power. Because as much as I don't like Trudeau, I despise anything remotely close to Trumpism or the Freedom Convoy morons more. And I don't base that on a headline here or there. I've read Pierre's interviews, I've watched his interviews, his debates, panel discussions, his YouTube channel. I'm watching the man carefully and I don't like anything he has to say. The only good point he makes here or there are also echoed by every other conservative go getter... including Charest.
If an election were today and I had to choose between Polievre and Trudeau, I would pick Trudeau. Even after everything I just said about him. If I could choose between Charest and Trudeau on the other hand.. I would choose Charest in a heartbeat... in fact if he's named Leader of the Conservatives... that would actually be the only political moment in recent Canadian history that will have made me remotely happy. That's a longshot though... what's likely.. is that Polievre is made leader and I'm left saying "Seriously, that turd burglar?" Then we would have a couple years of arguing... good points being made... but ultimately Polievre vs. Trudeau & Singh... with Trudeau once again winning a minority. The media bias will continue. The potshots will continue. All garbage.
Alas... not one excellent choice amongst the lot of them all.
To your point about Trudeau’s detractors giving him credit where it’s due I think I’ve done so a couple times but do need to improve on that front. Unfortunately I don’t get many opportunities since I disagree with so many of his policies. I was glad they changed their single use plastics ban to include production of the items.
Comparing Poilievre to Trump isn’t out of line and I agree I would much prefer Charest (I was disappointed when he lost out to Kim Campbell, but c’est la vie). I wish more credence would be given to Trump-Trudeau comparisons (not policy-wise obviously)."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Glad they caught him, I turned on the local news at 5 when they reported a sighting and an hour later an arrest.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/suspect-in-saskatchewan-stabbing-rampage-arrested-1.6575208
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I hope there’s nothing controversial in wishing well to a 96 year old lady. Thought about starting a thread to acknowledge her at tonight’s show, but probably not the appropriate venue given the diversity of views regarding the monarchy.
I truly feel she has held herself up as a fine example over the decades and will miss her calm, compassionate demeanour when she passes.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/queen-elizabeth-under-medical-supervision-1.6575695
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I'm interested in how he died.DarthMaeglin said:Glad they caught him, I turned on the local news at 5 when they reported a sighting and an hour later an arrest.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/suspect-in-saskatchewan-stabbing-rampage-arrested-1.6575208Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I don't think there's anything controversial about wishing her well.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0
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Yeah, I really hope it had nothing to do with any actions by the police. Sad that the perpetrators are getting off easy by dying, there’s a bit of a feeling of justice denied to me.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm interested in how he died.DarthMaeglin said:Glad they caught him, I turned on the local news at 5 when they reported a sighting and an hour later an arrest.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/suspect-in-saskatchewan-stabbing-rampage-arrested-1.6575208"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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I agree, however some people feel so strongly about the monarchy that they’ll give them no quarter, even in cases like this unfortunately.HughFreakingDillon said:I don't think there's anything controversial about wishing her well."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Sadly, our Queen has died.
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Does anyone here pay for the Toronto Star? Today they're running a headline that is incredibly troubling on it's surface, apparently Trudeau is saying he won't leave the country in Poilievre's hands. I can only read the first two paragraphs which don't elaborate on what he means.
Seriously, what the fuck does he mean by that? Does he even have a basic understanding of our democracy?"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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headlines are meant to grab. especially when you hit a paywall. I'm guessing he is just saying it's too dangerous to vote for the PC's. I can't imagine it's anything more than that.DarthMaeglin said:Does anyone here pay for the Toronto Star? Today they're running a headline that is incredibly troubling on it's surface, apparently Trudeau is saying he won't leave the country in Poilievre's hands. I can only read the first two paragraphs which don't elaborate on what he means.
Seriously, what the fuck does he mean by that? Does he even have a basic understanding of our democracy?Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
You're right, headlines are meant to grab but also need to be accurate. The sub-headline seems to lean towards what you’re suggesting but I need to know his full words and intent before I give him a pass on this. Here’s the link, for what it's worth.HughFreakingDillon said:
headlines are meant to grab. especially when you hit a paywall. I'm guessing he is just saying it's too dangerous to vote for the PC's. I can't imagine it's anything more than that.DarthMaeglin said:Does anyone here pay for the Toronto Star? Today they're running a headline that is incredibly troubling on it's surface, apparently Trudeau is saying he won't leave the country in Poilievre's hands. I can only read the first two paragraphs which don't elaborate on what he means.
Seriously, what the fuck does he mean by that? Does he even have a basic understanding of our democracy?
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2022/09/11/trudeau-will-not-leave-canada-in-poilievres-hands.html
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yeah, I googled it earlier to see if maybe the paywall wouldn't hit me, but it did. The headline is the editor's job, and I don't know anything about the Star (I imagine if that columnist is on the payroll, it most likely leans left-I see her often on election night on CBC), but as soon as you posted the headline my mind immediately went to what I wrote, not the place I imagine your mind went to (trudeau wanting to become a dictator, etc), which I just think probably shows both of our biases at play.
I used to react the same with Trump. For a really long time actually. Then I started figuring out that, even though the headlines didn't need much embellishment, they ALWAYS were. Ironically, because of Trump, I really started to notice the liberal bubble I was in and how headlines are so often skewed to the dramatic knowing 85% of the time people make their conclusion on the headline move on.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Agreed, the headline isn't Herbert's job. If the Star was accurate in representing Trudeau’s words, then I really do need a clarification before I can change my point of view on this. Personally I'm surprised The Star (referred to locally as The Red Star) would saddle Trudeau with a headline that makes him sound (yet again in my opinion) so much like Trump, because that's how it reads, that Trudeau might try and circumvent our democracy if he doesn't like the result.HughFreakingDillon said:yeah, I googled it earlier to see if maybe the paywall wouldn't hit me, but it did. The headline is the editor's job, and I don't know anything about the Star (I imagine if that columnist is on the payroll, it most likely leans left-I see her often on election night on CBC), but as soon as you posted the headline my mind immediately went to what I wrote, not the place I imagine your mind went to (trudeau wanting to become a dictator, etc).
Let's collectively try a thought experiment. How would our reactions fall out if this quote came from Harper prior to the 2015 election? Personally I'd still be troubled by such a statement, no matter who makes it.
Stupid paywalls, leaving us discussing this entirely via supposition, lol."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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honestly, prior to Trump, I wouldn't think anything of it with Harper either. Now, if Polliviere said it, yeah, I might take it that way.DarthMaeglin said:
Agreed, the headline isn't Herbert's job. If the Star was accurate in representing Trudeau’s words, then I really do need a clarification before I can change my point of view on this. Personally I'm surprised The Star (referred to locally as The Red Star) would saddle Trudeau with a headline that makes him sound (yet again in my opinion) so much like Trump, because that's how it reads, that Trudeau might try and circumvent our democracy if he doesn't like the result.HughFreakingDillon said:yeah, I googled it earlier to see if maybe the paywall wouldn't hit me, but it did. The headline is the editor's job, and I don't know anything about the Star (I imagine if that columnist is on the payroll, it most likely leans left-I see her often on election night on CBC), but as soon as you posted the headline my mind immediately went to what I wrote, not the place I imagine your mind went to (trudeau wanting to become a dictator, etc).
Let's collectively try a thought experiment. How would our reactions fall out if this quote came from Harper prior to the 2015 election? Personally I'd still be troubled by such a statement, no matter who makes it.
Stupid paywalls, leaving us discussing this entirely via supposition, lol.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
This is where it breaks down for me, sorry. I know there's all kinds of hysteria being drummed up against PP, but Trudeau gets the benefit of the doubt (with his stellar record for honesty and transparency/s) but PP doesn't? I can't square that circle, sorry.HughFreakingDillon said:
honestly, prior to Trump, I wouldn't think anything of it with Harper either. Now, if Polliviere said it, yeah, I might take it that way.DarthMaeglin said:
Agreed, the headline isn't Herbert's job. If the Star was accurate in representing Trudeau’s words, then I really do need a clarification before I can change my point of view on this. Personally I'm surprised The Star (referred to locally as The Red Star) would saddle Trudeau with a headline that makes him sound (yet again in my opinion) so much like Trump, because that's how it reads, that Trudeau might try and circumvent our democracy if he doesn't like the result.HughFreakingDillon said:yeah, I googled it earlier to see if maybe the paywall wouldn't hit me, but it did. The headline is the editor's job, and I don't know anything about the Star (I imagine if that columnist is on the payroll, it most likely leans left-I see her often on election night on CBC), but as soon as you posted the headline my mind immediately went to what I wrote, not the place I imagine your mind went to (trudeau wanting to become a dictator, etc).
Let's collectively try a thought experiment. How would our reactions fall out if this quote came from Harper prior to the 2015 election? Personally I'd still be troubled by such a statement, no matter who makes it.
Stupid paywalls, leaving us discussing this entirely via supposition, lol.
If I hadn't tested positive for covid today I might have swallowed my pride and bought a copy of The Star today, but that's not an option right now. Might see if someone can help me out there."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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I do have to acknowledge that I'm not giving Trudeau the benefit of the doubt here, but with a headline like that, no one gets the benefit of the doubt. Even pre-Trump I'd have found this troubling.
There was actually an interesting column in The Sun a couple weeks ago that laid out all the instances since 2000 where Democrats questioned the legitimacy of elections, so it's far from uniquely a Trump/conservative thing."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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he uses the same stupid rhetoric that trump did. "the liberal elite". "thought police" on university campuses. potentially firing heads of institutions.
hope you feel better soon Darth.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Did you watch his speech Saturday evening? It was fairly reasonable with the central theme of uniting Canadians. That's a message I can get behind, no matter who's saying it. In fact in the last election, every party was talking bringing people together while the governing party ran a campaign based on division. But they were reelected, so that seems to be what (a minority of) Canadians want.HughFreakingDillon said:he uses the same stupid rhetoric that trump did. "the liberal elite". "thought police" on university campuses. potentially firing heads of institutions.
hope you feel better soon Darth.
And Trudeau is quite familiar with inflammatory rhetoric himself."The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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