Canadian Politics Redux

Parksy

Sublimating anger into passion... very good term!  

I think of coaches... the difference between an 'angry' coach and a passionate coach. To each their own and I think there are certainly benefits to both schools of thought.  I prefer the passionate coach.  A Pete Carroll as opposed to a Mike Keenan. 

dignin

Pierre is a career politician who has been collecting a six-figure salary on the public’s dime since he was 24, and he’s spent every minute of his time in office fighting against fair wages, good pensions and a better life for working people. He is not a worker, and he definitely doesn’t get what it means to be a member of the working class.

Pierre has spent his leadership campaign making the Conservative Party a cozier place for far-right extremists and conspiracy theorists in order to sell memberships. This isn’t your parents’ Conservative Party, or even Stephen Harper’s Conservative Party. It’s now Pierre’s Convoy Party of Canada.

His leadership will be a disaster for working people in Canada.”


https://cupe.ca/statement-cupe-pierre-poilievre-winning-conservative-party-leadership

HughFreakingDillon

sounds like a real man of the people! 

dignin

HughFreakingDillon said:

sounds like a real man of the people! 

Looking at his wikipedia page and one of his only real jobs was a paperboy. 

DarthMaeglin

According to this article Koch misquoted Akin, and I don’t disbelieve that. However it’s a bit rich that this writer speaks against calling a press conference and not allowing questions, then fails to mention that this is a regular occurrence with the Prime Minister. Feels like a double standard to me, but I honestly can’t tell anymore.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/09/15/opinion/who-calls-press-conference-then-tells-reporters-no-questions-poilievre

DarthMaeglin

This is just comical. Apparently I annoyed someone and now CBC is moderating my every single comment, even though they’re perfectly reasonable posts. All done without notifying me or justifying why.

It may have been due to my last post yesterday where I suggested someone who was spamming a thread that they simply change the channel if they were so tired of coverage of the Queen’s death. Of course, that’s pure supposition since I’m not being given any reason.

I’m really starting to think their “moderation” is primarily user-driven which opens it up to uneven application/enforcement.

This experience reinforces my gratitude for the latitude we are given on this forum.

Parksy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_KrlRjPtcQ

Parksy

Regarding the above video... this is my present issue with Pierre vs. the Liberals. 

Her talking points are:

Regarding inflation... every country in the G7 is facing it.  And Canada is in the best position.  To be fact checked.. but for now I'll take her word on that because she'd be stepping in shit if that wasn't true. And I do.. quite obviously know that every first world country is going through the same economic troubles due to the pandemic.  

His talking points are: 

Housing prices and grocery inflation is because of Liberal policies. 

Which Liberal policies?  Anyone here know what Pierre is talking about other than just throwing shit against a wall and hoping it sticks? I find it foolish to believe that this man thinks he can say this shit without people like me second guessing him. 

And all the while.. Jagmeet is now attacking Pierre for the same thing suggesting that before we blame the government for inflation and high prices... what about the corporations that are making record profits? And without seeming biased here...  that's a pretty gosh-darned good point.  Gas prices go up... and everyone blames the government while the energy companies are making billions. 

Until Pierre can actually cite the policies that the Liberals are enacting that make life harder for us and more expensive... I can't help but believe that he's full of shit and protecting corporate interests here...  which is historically what Cons do.  And at the same time, he is hoodwinking the public into thinking that the Liberals are the dark boogeyman in the corner stealing our money. 

Another interesting point with regards to Pierre's Cons....  yesterday a Caucus member of the Cons stood up and cited that 'Liberal Gatekeepers' are preventing more immigration and that regulations needed to be removed to allow more flowing immigration into the country.  That ought to sure win over the PPC vote. 

To be clear... if you follow Pierre and the Cons get used to that catch phrase "Gatekeepers."  Let's break this down.  He's referring to regulations.  

So they want less regulation for immigration and less regulation for home building.  But back to my original point.. which ones?  It can't be that hard to cite the actual regulations that are causing problems?  

"Liberal Gatekeepers are making it hard for young people to afford a home!" - Pierre

"Sounds right to me!." - The Dumbass.

"Why? And How? And how are you going to change that?" - Wishful Thinking. 

They (Cons) have no issue citing codes and laws when they want to bark about perceived threats to freedom of speech which are often completely overblown, wrong, and simple fear mongering. 

Parksy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twG3VMwEhCg

Parksy

I wouldn't call myself a 'fan' of Sid.... but this is a rock solid message to the public with regards to partisan politics. 

HughFreakingDillon

Parksy said:

I wouldn't call myself a 'fan' of Sid.... but this is a rock solid message to the public with regards to partisan politics. 

100%. been saying this for years. YEARS. I've been a part of my wife's family since 2000. Her dad is a hard line NDP. no matter who. no matter what. federal, provincial, municipal. he is a very smart man. But I never understood that (worker's rights trumps all I suppose). He's also a deeply religious man, so I kind of equate it with that. He's willing to go down with the ship even if he disagrees with the captain. 

I get the feeling that some here think I am hardline liberal no matter what. I'm not. I've voted all parties (of course no Bloc). I vote platform. Not person or party. I voted Trudeau the first time. I voted Trudeau the second time. I voted against O'Toole and Singh the third time. 

Only time will tell what I'll vote the fourth time. 

all that being said. I had an argument with my wife about Trudeau's karaoke mess in London. She was all in favour of him having fun and partying with the locals. I said he was there representing Canada for the funeral for one of the longest reigning and most respected leaders of our time (no matter my issues with the Queen). He should have been reserved. He should have shown dignity. He wasn't there for a party. 

Had that been O'Toole or Polliviere, in my view, liberals would have torn them to shreds over it. If Trump had done something like that, again, same thing. 

Enough of the blind partisanship. Call it what it is. 

HughFreakingDillon

Winnipeg mayoral candidate says Indigenous men are to blame for violence against Indigenous women. WOW. YOU DONE. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-mayoral-candidate-forum-1.6592621

PJ_Soul

Parksy said:

Regarding the above video... this is my present issue with Pierre vs. the Liberals. 

Her talking points are:

Regarding inflation... every country in the G7 is facing it.  And Canada is in the best position.  To be fact checked.. but for now I'll take her word on that because she'd be stepping in shit if that wasn't true. And I do.. quite obviously know that every first world country is going through the same economic troubles due to the pandemic.  

His talking points are: 

Housing prices and grocery inflation is because of Liberal policies. 

Which Liberal policies?  Anyone here know what Pierre is talking about other than just throwing shit against a wall and hoping it sticks? I find it foolish to believe that this man thinks he can say this shit without people like me second guessing him. 

And all the while.. Jagmeet is now attacking Pierre for the same thing suggesting that before we blame the government for inflation and high prices... what about the corporations that are making record profits? And without seeming biased here...  that's a pretty gosh-darned good point.  Gas prices go up... and everyone blames the government while the energy companies are making billions. 

Until Pierre can actually cite the policies that the Liberals are enacting that make life harder for us and more expensive... I can't help but believe that he's full of shit and protecting corporate interests here...  which is historically what Cons do.  And at the same time, he is hoodwinking the public into thinking that the Liberals are the dark boogeyman in the corner stealing our money. 

Another interesting point with regards to Pierre's Cons....  yesterday a Caucus member of the Cons stood up and cited that 'Liberal Gatekeepers' are preventing more immigration and that regulations needed to be removed to allow more flowing immigration into the country.  That ought to sure win over the PPC vote. 

To be clear... if you follow Pierre and the Cons get used to that catch phrase "Gatekeepers."  Let's break this down.  He's referring to regulations.  

So they want less regulation for immigration and less regulation for home building.  But back to my original point.. which ones?  It can't be that hard to cite the actual regulations that are causing problems?  

"Liberal Gatekeepers are making it hard for young people to afford a home!" - Pierre

"Sounds right to me!." - The Dumbass.

"Why? And How? And how are you going to change that?" - Wishful Thinking. 

They (Cons) have no issue citing codes and laws when they want to bark about perceived threats to freedom of speech which are often completely overblown, wrong, and simple fear mongering. 

I totally agree with your take.

Parksy

HughFreakingDillon said:

Parksy said:

I wouldn't call myself a 'fan' of Sid.... but this is a rock solid message to the public with regards to partisan politics. 

100%. been saying this for years. YEARS. I've been a part of my wife's family since 2000. Her dad is a hard line NDP. no matter who. no matter what. federal, provincial, municipal. he is a very smart man. But I never understood that (worker's rights trumps all I suppose). He's also a deeply religious man, so I kind of equate it with that. He's willing to go down with the ship even if he disagrees with the captain. 

I get the feeling that some here think I am hardline liberal no matter what. I'm not. I've voted all parties (of course no Bloc). I vote platform. Not person or party. I voted Trudeau the first time. I voted Trudeau the second time. I voted against O'Toole and Singh the third time. 

Only time will tell what I'll vote the fourth time. 

all that being said. I had an argument with my wife about Trudeau's karaoke mess in London. She was all in favour of him having fun and partying with the locals. I said he was there representing Canada for the funeral for one of the longest reigning and most respected leaders of our time (no matter my issues with the Queen). He should have been reserved. He should have shown dignity. He wasn't there for a party. 

Had that been O'Toole or Polliviere, in my view, liberals would have torn them to shreds over it. If Trump had done something like that, again, same thing. 

Enough of the blind partisanship. Call it what it is. 

100%

Zod

Technically the immigration policy has helped push up real estate, because we haven't been able to keep up with building enough to keep up with the population increase (most of our infrastructure hasn't kept up with it).  That being said the ramped up immigration started under the Conservative Party (Liberal party continued to increase it).

Also a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.  We have a short of young people/workers/tax payers, and no one (not conservative,liberal, or NDP) has been able to come up with a better idea on how to keep the boat afloat.

Parksy

Zod said:

Technically the immigration policy has helped push up real estate, because we haven't been able to keep up with building enough to keep up with the population increase (most of our infrastructure hasn't kept up with it).  That being said the ramped up immigration started under the Conservative Party (Liberal party continued to increase it).

Also a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.  We have a short of young people/workers/tax payers, and no one (not conservative,liberal, or NDP) has been able to come up with a better idea on how to keep the boat afloat.

Absolutely correct.  the immigration/housing issue has been a main one for a while and you're exactly correct.  They are both connected. And if the problem was being caused by 5 pieces of a puzzle...  instead of getting together and resolving the puzzle, every party is focusing on the one piece that they can use against the other and bickering about it.  

Parksy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcufc9sXS14

Lots to unpack with this one.  The back story here is that there is a transgender shop teacher at a high school in Oakville who either used or is still using very, very, very large prosthetic breasts during classes. 

I'm not 100% sure what to think about the teacher at this point.  I would love to get her point of view and what not, but that's none of my business in many ways.  My opinion here is that the teacher really really really ought to have known that this choice of hers would cause great disruption and distraction to the school and the teachers.  Transgender or not... that's just a stupid decision by a person of influence. 

That said... as we usher in an age of tolerance and acceptance we do in many ways need to get used to this.  As we navigate what's 'acceptable' we should be open to denying certain rights and freedoms as I've pointed out before. Where this falls...  I don't think we know yet. But I do know that if a teacher... gay, straight, male, female, trans were to attempt to run a classroom in their underwear... that would not be accepted. Why is that?  It's possible that when we debate the rationale behind that point, we might find similar rationale in arguing that a trans person should not be wearing those massive breasts in class. I don't know if that makes me sounds like an asshole... happy to receive feedback. 

With regards to the protesters.... Wow. Just wow. Obviously I don't agree with everything a lot of these morons are doing but what I found somewhat hilarious are the two male protesters against the 'fake news' and threatening the media.  That's not freedom.  Your freedom to stand on the sidewalk and shout stuff is the same freedom that allows the media to do what they're doing.  "Get out of here!"  "You don't belong here!"  "We don't want you here!" 

Freedom for me, not for thee.  And yes... these were indeed the same people who are Freedumb Convoy fanatics. 

Parksy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtB0v-ll7lM

HughFreakingDillon

those prosthetics are ridiculous

HughFreakingDillon

the school won't touch it due to human rights concerns. jeezus. so I can go to work with a gigantic dildo in my pants and have no fear of consequence?