*** THE INDICTMENT OF DONALD J TRUMP ***

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,212
    static111 said:
    I think some folks are just not following the story as closely as others are.
    I'm following it just as closely as anyone.  I'm not eat sleeping and breathing it, because that is a waste of my time.  My conclusions are that this isn't what brings him down.  You have different conclusions and I hope you and Hal are right and can come I told you so me to death in a few months.  I just think due to Trump being Trump and being in uncharted waters as to the limits of executive power, that the outcome will not be as clear cut as it would with a non president.  Again, I hope you and Hal are right and this is it and it brings him down and deflates his power and position.  My view is that that is wishful thinking.  How many times were we sure that the Mueller investigation or either of the impeachments were going to do the job, only to later be massively let down?
    Based on some of the things you've said, you could have fooled me. Like, how, after everything we have learned, can you possibly think "I made a mistake. I thought I could do anything I want with my documents" will hold up in court? That is essentially what you said in an earlier post. That argument holds no weight what so ever. 
    ignorance of the law is not a legal defense.

    he has no legal defense. the feds have him dead to rights.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 14,701
    2021
    static111 said:
    I think some folks are just not following the story as closely as others are.
    I'm following it just as closely as anyone.  I'm not eat sleeping and breathing it, because that is a waste of my time.  My conclusions are that this isn't what brings him down.  You have different conclusions and I hope you and Hal are right and can come I told you so me to death in a few months.  I just think due to Trump being Trump and being in uncharted waters as to the limits of executive power, that the outcome will not be as clear cut as it would with a non president.  Again, I hope you and Hal are right and this is it and it brings him down and deflates his power and position.  My view is that that is wishful thinking.  How many times were we sure that the Mueller investigation or either of the impeachments were going to do the job, only to later be massively let down?
    Based on some of the things you've said, you could have fooled me. Like, how, after everything we have learned, can you possibly think "I made a mistake. I thought I could do anything I want with my documents" will hold up in court? That is essentially what you said in an earlier post. That argument holds no weight what so ever. 
    ignorance of the law is not a legal defense.

    he has no legal defense. the feds have him dead to rights.
    yeah and people have been charged for much less related to classified info
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,212
    static111 said:
    I think some folks are just not following the story as closely as others are.
    I'm following it just as closely as anyone.  I'm not eat sleeping and breathing it, because that is a waste of my time.  My conclusions are that this isn't what brings him down.  You have different conclusions and I hope you and Hal are right and can come I told you so me to death in a few months.  I just think due to Trump being Trump and being in uncharted waters as to the limits of executive power, that the outcome will not be as clear cut as it would with a non president.  Again, I hope you and Hal are right and this is it and it brings him down and deflates his power and position.  My view is that that is wishful thinking.  How many times were we sure that the Mueller investigation or either of the impeachments were going to do the job, only to later be massively let down?
    Based on some of the things you've said, you could have fooled me. Like, how, after everything we have learned, can you possibly think "I made a mistake. I thought I could do anything I want with my documents" will hold up in court? That is essentially what you said in an earlier post. That argument holds no weight what so ever. 
    ignorance of the law is not a legal defense.

    he has no legal defense. the feds have him dead to rights.
    yeah and people have been charged for much less related to classified info
    reality winner got 5 years for one single document.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,212
    the guy does not even have attorneys wanting to work for him because they know they will not be paid and it would damage their credibility to defend such a person.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,021
    2021
    mrussel1 said:
    Unsurprisingly the supporters of the left fell for this as well.  They’ll never learn, and their blind hope continues to unravel them.

    this was an FBI attempt to take back the incriminating crossfire hurricane documents he has in his possession before they hit the public.  If there was anything here, it would have already been leaked.  That is the way the demon rats work, they leak things to their aiding press to drum up public support before anything else.  No leaks? No truth.

    -judge who ok’d this was not only Epstein’s attorney (gross) but a big donor to the dems
    -they already took his passports, denied it, then were shown the receipts
    -they just admitted to taking docs with lawyer confidentiality.

    I’m sure you all know, but Obama was given the right to scan all the files he took with him before returning them.  This was apparently a huge quantity.  Bush still has thousands of unreturned docs in his possession.  The LBJ library contains piles of docs requested by never returned to Capitol Hill.  This is a normal occurrence for former presidents to take, yet they’re shaking in their pants over the release of more incriminating evidence of the gov’t’s own illegal bias and unwarranted spying. This once again comes down to the swamp, and those in power afraid of an outsider with nothing to lose being in office once again and sending them packing. 

    Durham has some folks actin’ a fool. 

    This will backfire once again.  Those who don’t see it for what it is are too far gone, the world has moved on without you.
    1. Judge was not Epstein's attorney and the magistrate was appointed by district judges, some of whom were Trump appointees
    2. They returned the passports.  They were not active.  Two were expired and the third was diplomatic, which is no longer valid.  
    3. The FBI did not 'admit' to taking ACP docs.  You write it like it's a crime or unusual.  During white collar crime searches, you always have a Taint Team go through the docs to determine if anything is privileged.  This is standard procedure and not 'biased'.  

    And most importantly, none of this is exculpatory.  As usual, you post a bunch of random bullshit that has nothing to do with the actual issue.  LBJ was president in 1968, not 1978.  And if the FBI and NARA demands return of documents, you turn them over or argue it out in court.  Trump didn't do that.  Instead, he had his lawyers sign an affidavit that no other classified or gov't docs were in his possession.  That was a lie.  Why don't you address that lie?
    Because "flood the zone with shit". 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,021
    2021
    I highly recommend that you read Team Garland’s response to POOTWH’s request for  a special master. Particularly pages 16-21, for a start. DOJ citing a lot of court case precedent while POOTWH didn’t claim A/C privilege or EP previously when allowing searches and/or turning over documents. In fact, only claimed it on 8/29, two weeks after the unjust raid. Oops. Regardless, POOTWH doesn’t have standing on the EP claim and the taint team already set aside A/C privilege docs. I like the word taint.

    I also enjoy fruit from the poisonous tree and connecting dots.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,676

     
    Feds cite efforts to obstruct probe of docs at Trump estate
    By ERIC TUCKER, JILL COLVIN and MICHAEL BALSAMO
    45 mins ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department said Tuesday that classified documents were “likely concealed and removed” from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate as part of an effort to obstruct the federal investigation into the discovery of the government records.

    The FBI also seized 33 boxes containing more than 100 classified records during its Aug. 8 search of Mar-a-Lago and found classified documents stashed in Trump's office, according to a filing that lays out the most detailed chronology to date of months of strained interactions between Justice Department officials and Trump representatives over the discovery of government secrets.

    The filing offers yet another indication of the sheer volume of classified records retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. It shows how investigators conducting a criminal probe have focused not just on why the records were improperly stored there, but also on the question of whether the Trump team intentionally misled them about the continued, and unlawful, presence of the top secret documents.

    The timeline laid out by the Justice Department made clear that the extraordinary search of Mar-a-Lago came only after other efforts to retrieve the records had failed, and that it resulted from law enforcement suspicion that additional documents remained inside the property despite assurances by Trump representatives that a “diligent search” had accounted for all of the material.

    It also included a picture of some of the seized documents bearing clear classification markings, perhaps as a way to rebut suggestions that whoever packed them or was handling them could have easily failed to appreciate their sensitive nature.

    The photo shows the cover pages of a smattering of paperclip-bound classified documents — some marked as “TOP SECRET//SCI” with bright yellow borders, and one marked as “SECRET//SCI” with a rust-colored border — along with whited-out pages, splayed out on a carpet at Mar-a-Lago. Beside them sits a cardboard box filled with gold-framed pictures, including a Time magazine cover.

    Though it contains significant new details on the investigation, the Justice Department filing does not resolve a core question that has driven public fascination with the investigation — why Trump held onto the documents after he left the White House and why he and his team resisted repeated efforts to give them back. In fact, it suggests officials may not have received an answer.

    During a June 3 visit to Mar-a-Lago by FBI and Justice Department officials, the document states, “Counsel for the former President offered no explanation as to why boxes of government records, including 38 documents with classification markings, remained at the Premises nearly five months after the production of the Fifteen Boxes and nearly one-and-a-half years after the end of the Administration."

    That visit to Mar-a-Lago, which came weeks after the Justice Department issued a subpoena for the records, receives substantial attention in the document and appears to be a key investigative focus.

    Though Trump has said he had declassified all of the documents at Mar-a-Lago, his lawyers did not suggest that during the visit and instead “handled them in a manner that suggested counsel believed that the documents were classified," according to the document.

    FBI agents who went there to receive additional materials were given “a single Redweld envelope, double-wrapped in tape, containing the documents," the filing states.

    That envelope, according to the FBI, contained 38 unique documents with classification markings, including five documents marked confidential, 16 marked secret and 17 marked top secret.

    During that visit, the document says, Trump’s lawyers told investigators that all the records that had come from the White House were stored in one location — a Mar-a-Lago storage room — and that “there were no other records stored in any private office space or other location at the Premises and that all available boxes were searched.”

    After that, though, the Justice Department, which had subpoenaed video footage for the property, “developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government’s investigation.” The filing does not identify the individuals who may have relocated the boxes.

    In their August search, agents found classified documents both in the storage room as well as in the former president’s office — including three classified documents found not in boxes, but in office desks.

    “That the FBI, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the ‘diligent search’ that the former President’s counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the June 3 certification and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this matter,” the document states.

    It says, “In some instances, even the FBI counterintelligence personnel and DOJ attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents.”

    The investigation began from a referral from the National Archives and Records Administration, which recovered 15 boxes from Mar-a-Lago in January that were found to contain 184 documents with classified markings, including top secret information.

    The purpose of the Tuesday night filing was to oppose a request from the Trump legal team for a special master to review the documents seized during this month's search and set aside those protected by claims of legal privilege. U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon is set to hear arguments on the matter on Thursday.

    Cannon on Saturday said it was her “preliminary intent” to appoint such a person but also gave the Justice Department an opportunity to respond.

    On Monday, the department said it had already completed its review of potentially privileged documents and identified a “limited set of materials that potentially contain attorney-client privileged information.” It said Tuesday that a special master was therefore “unnecessary.”

    In a separate development, the Trump legal team has grown with the addition of another attorney. Chris Kise, Florida's former solicitor general, has joined the team of lawyers representing Trump, according to two people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to discuss the move by name and spoke on condition of anonymity. Kise did not return messages seeking comment.

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    Colvin and Balsamo reported from New York.


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    gift article...


     

    Documents at Mar-a-Lago Were Moved and Hidden as U.S. Sought Them, Filing Suggests

    The filing by the Justice Department paints the clearest picture to date of its efforts to retrieve documents from the former president’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,522
    2022
    tick

    tock
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 32,021
    2021
    Attachment B is a good read. POOTWH is mad! POOTWH is angry! POOTWH is in big trouble!

    Mr. Corcoran ain’t no Johnny and seems to be in a bit of a pickle. See Attachment E.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,212
    i don't know about you all, but i am kind of getting the feeling that the world is crashing down on trump. like we are now at a point where something is going to happen. i have felt that way a few times over the years, but  this feels different than the other times.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,522
    2022
    i don't know about you all, but i am kind of getting the feeling that the world is crashing down on trump. like we are now at a point where something is going to happen. i have felt that way a few times over the years, but  this feels different than the other times.
    His fingerprints (literally, probably) are all over this one. I think that's the main difference. There's way less people who he can have take his fall this time around. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 26,001
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    It doesn’t surprise me he’ll get away with this too! It’s almost like this country wants to just destroy itself from within! Talk about having nine lives 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 26,170
    2021
    It doesn’t surprise me he’ll get away with this too! It’s almost like this country wants to just destroy itself from within! Talk about having nine lives 
    This is meaningless and a delay tactic.  If there are documents that belong to the gov't the special master cannot declare them privileged.  If they did, then that would be litigated.  Privilege can truly only extend to documents that are between Trump the private citizen and his attorneys, regarding personal affairs.  The defense team should have filed this day after the raid, rather than two weeks later. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 26,001
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    mrussel1 said:
    It doesn’t surprise me he’ll get away with this too! It’s almost like this country wants to just destroy itself from within! Talk about having nine lives 
    This is meaningless and a delay tactic.  If there are documents that belong to the gov't the special master cannot declare them privileged.  If they did, then that would be litigated.  Privilege can truly only extend to documents that are between Trump the private citizen and his attorneys, regarding personal affairs.  The defense team should have filed this day after the raid, rather than two weeks later. 
    I hope justice prevails you guys know more than me on this subject! Im a pessimist don’t trust anything anymore..
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 5,168
    mrussel1 said:
    It doesn’t surprise me he’ll get away with this too! It’s almost like this country wants to just destroy itself from within! Talk about having nine lives 
    This is meaningless and a delay tactic.  If there are documents that belong to the gov't the special master cannot declare them privileged.  If they did, then that would be litigated.  Privilege can truly only extend to documents that are between Trump the private citizen and his attorneys, regarding personal affairs.  The defense team should have filed this day after the raid, rather than two weeks later. 
    I hope justice prevails you guys know more than me on this subject! Im a pessimist don’t trust anything anymore..

    Think of the practicality of arresting a former president. We like to say no one is above the law but there is no real way to pull it off without pissing off millions of crazies with guns, who would happily pull the trigger over this, and Jan six is proof of that. And the instant a Republican becomes president, Biden, Obama and Hilary will be sharing a cell.

    Its not worth the risk for simply trump  taking documents. Now if they have evidence trump was up to something nefarious with a foreign enemy, that could be different 
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,743
    mrussel1 said:
    It doesn’t surprise me he’ll get away with this too! It’s almost like this country wants to just destroy itself from within! Talk about having nine lives 
    This is meaningless and a delay tactic.  If there are documents that belong to the gov't the special master cannot declare them privileged.  If they did, then that would be litigated.  Privilege can truly only extend to documents that are between Trump the private citizen and his attorneys, regarding personal affairs.  The defense team should have filed this day after the raid, rather than two weeks later. 
    I hope justice prevails you guys know more than me on this subject! Im a pessimist don’t trust anything anymore..

    Think of the practicality of arresting a former president. We like to say no one is above the law but there is no real way to pull it off without pissing off millions of crazies with guns, who would happily pull the trigger over this, and Jan six is proof of that. And the instant a Republican becomes president, Biden, Obama and Hilary will be sharing a cell.

    Its not worth the risk for simply trump  taking documents. Now if they have evidence trump was up to something nefarious with a foreign enemy, that could be different 

    Doing nothing appease the cult creates a greater long term risk. There is no situation where they will sit back and say that Trump went too far this time and he needs consequences. What's helped me with dealing with my reaction to the ridiculousness of maga trumpers was accepting this reality a long time ago. There is no point where they will stop supporting him, so I gave up hoping for that to happen. Trump needs to be indicted for this just based on what we know so far. It's essential for the health of our country and the wackos can't call the shots. And nothing would be different if there appeared to be something nefarious with another country, because getting decent evidence of that would be too difficult, and again, the base wouldn't care. They wouldn't care if intelligence sources around the world were put at risk. They wouldn't care if he shared documents related to developing nuclear weapons with Saudi Arabia.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 26,001
    THE FIELD
    Judge is on the take she’s balls deep for Orange menace! 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,522
    2022
    The wheels of justice spin round and round. Round and round. Round and round. The wheels of justice spin round and round all through the town.

    Well 2022 ain't gonna be it. I guess today's news will make it harder for the maga's to cry about it being overly pollical though. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 33,208
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    another special counsel. garbage. 
    I think I'll move to Australia


  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 26,001
    THE FIELD
    another special counsel. garbage. 
    Yeah I have zero faith in the process of special counsel! Nixon quit with less against him Trumpolinni will get the nod from GOP and will probably win again lol 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 20,212
    another special counsel. garbage. 
    some are saying this is very bad for trump because it means a definite indictment. but i believe this is good for trump because it means nothing will happen until after nov 2024 election.

    if republicans take the presidency and both houses, they can sack garland, and his replacement can end the special counsel.

    cowardly move by garland in my opinion. kick the can down the road.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 43,522
    2022
    another special counsel. garbage. 
    some are saying this is very bad for trump because it means a definite indictment. but i believe this is good for trump because it means nothing will happen until after nov 2024 election.

    if republicans take the presidency and both houses, they can sack garland, and his replacement can end the special counsel.

    cowardly move by garland in my opinion. kick the can down the road.
    I don't know. Doesn't he inherit the work that was already done, though? One thing I read about this guy is he is an aggressive prosecutor so, like you said, it means an indictment would be likely. Hopefully he gets it done quicker.

    I do like the fact that this makes it less political than if Garland himself was the one bringing him up on charges.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 26,170
    2021
    another special counsel. garbage. 
    some are saying this is very bad for trump because it means a definite indictment. but i believe this is good for trump because it means nothing will happen until after nov 2024 election.

    if republicans take the presidency and both houses, they can sack garland, and his replacement can end the special counsel.

    cowardly move by garland in my opinion. kick the can down the road.
    I'm not following the logic here.  

    Why do you think nothing will happen after Nov 24?  The goal of the dept will be to determine any indictments WELL before the 2024 cycle heats up.  That means sometime next year for sure, probably mid year.  All of your other statements flow from that assumption.  And if the R took the White House, the Republicans wouldn't 'sack" Garland.  He would be gone at inauguration by tradition, since he's a cabinet member.  Either way, this is getting wrapped up way before any of that.  
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