Just got my voting card! (SWEDISH ELECTION 2022)

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,429
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    There's no law,  on any books that I'm aware,  that requires citizens to carry ID. So that's why it causes consternation in voting.  However,  voting laws are typically delegated to the states under the tenth amendment.  So there's no doubt they are constitutional,  UNLESS,  they are designed to disenfranchise under the Voting Rights Act,  which is where all of these arguments revolve. 
    I honestly think it’s just a situation where we have to stop being stupid and discussing all the reasons we shouldn’t…and just figure out how to do it. It shouldn’t be terribly difficult. We just have leaders that like to use stupid stuff like this to drive voters. 

    Anyhow - I saw that as an interesting difference between Sweden and the USA here.

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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    Why would one have to ”register to vote” ?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Why would one have to ”register to vote” ?

    proving eligibilty? sizable portion of the residents here are non-citizens of one type or another.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    edited August 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Why would one have to ”register to vote” ?

    proving eligibilty? sizable portion of the residents here are non-citizens of one type or another.
    In Sweden every citizen automaticall get a voting card sent to them. The portion that are non-citizens therefore do not get one. 

    Seems like a better way than to create an unessascary hurdle for the citizens. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,429
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Why would one have to ”register to vote” ?

    proving eligibilty? sizable portion of the residents here are non-citizens of one type or another.
    In Sweden every citizen automaticall get a voting card sent to them. The portion that are non-citizens therefore do not get one. 

    Seems like a better way than to create an unessascary hurdle for the citizens. 
    Swedens population is roughly equal to Ohio, my state at 11 million give or take. Theres another 320 million people here...

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Why would one have to ”register to vote” ?
    Local elections can be at a very micro level.  We vote for school boards,  sheriff's,  etc. So knowing someone's precise address is important to that. It also tells you where to vote.  But you register once with your state and then just update addressee thereafter 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Why would one have to ”register to vote” ?

    proving eligibilty? sizable portion of the residents here are non-citizens of one type or another.
    In Sweden every citizen automaticall get a voting card sent to them. The portion that are non-citizens therefore do not get one. 

    Seems like a better way than to create an unessascary hurdle for the citizens. 
    Swedens population is roughly equal to Ohio, my state at 11 million give or take. Theres another 320 million people here...

    And there's more people in Sweden than on Iceland. And less then in Spain.

    I would image the US authorities and services are scaled to the population? Or do you run a e.g. post office in the US fitted for a Swedish population but servicing 331 million people?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited August 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Why would one have to ”register to vote” ?
    Local elections can be at a very micro level.  We vote for school boards,  sheriff's,  etc. So knowing someone's precise address is important to that. It also tells you where to vote.  But you register once with your state and then just update addressee thereafter 
    Knowing someones precise address is needed for being able to send out "voting cards" (don't know what it would be called in english). It is sent to the address linked to you in the... *googling* "civil registry". On the voting cards it tells you where to vote (or rather, what your specific local voting place is located - but you are able to vote at any voting place except for on election day where you have to vote at your designated location). You also do not have to have your voting card with you, you can vote with just your ID.

    You don't have a "civil registry" in the states?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Why would one have to ”register to vote” ?
    Local elections can be at a very micro level.  We vote for school boards,  sheriff's,  etc. So knowing someone's precise address is important to that. It also tells you where to vote.  But you register once with your state and then just update addressee thereafter 
    Knowing someones precise address is needed for being able to send out "voting cards" (don't know what it would be called in english). It is sent to the address linked to you in the... *googling* "civil registry". On the voting cards it tells you where to vote (or rather, what your specific local voting place is located - but you are able to vote at any voting place except for on election day where you have to vote at your designated location). You also do not have to have your voting card with you, you can vote with just your ID.

    You don't have a "civil registry" in the states?
    No.  It sounds like the civil registry is similar to our voter registry. Until you're 18, the govt really doesn't have any information on you in a centralized way. You're not required to register for school since home schooling is legal.  Nor are you required to get a social security number.  The first obligation is only for men,  and that's registering for the draft at 18.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is. 

    So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?

    In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX 

    Sounds medieval to not have one... haha... 

    (please don't ban me for that last comment Kat)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    edited August 2022
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is. 

    So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?

    In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX 

    Sounds medieval to not have one... haha... 

    (please don't ban me for that last comment Kat)
    When you move,  you notify the USPS and mail will be forwarded to your new address.  But utilities,  bank, credit cards,  etc. is all on you.  Moving is a total pain. So glad I've been in the same home for 16 years now. 

    Edit,  you have to notify your county or your city for the voting change.  It's only one notification on voting. Everything gets updated for state and federal elections.  At least that's how it's been for the states where I've lived. 
    Post edited by mrussel1 on
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    Ah okey. Here, when you notify of an adress change for the civil registry you can pay a smal sum to also get forwarding through the post office for a year. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is. 

    So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?

    In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX 

    Sounds medieval to not have one... haha... 

    (please don't ban me for that last comment Kat)
    Is everyone in Sweden a porn star?
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is. 

    So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?

    In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX 

    Sounds medieval to not have one... haha... 

    (please don't ban me for that last comment Kat)
    Is everyone in Sweden a porn star?
    I'm sure some are just "former".  
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is. 

    So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?

    In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX 

    Sounds medieval to not have one... haha... 

    (please don't ban me for that last comment Kat)
    Is everyone in Sweden a porn star?
    I'm sure some are just "former".  
    Are you sure about that? There are niches.
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is. 

    So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?

    In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX 

    Sounds medieval to not have one... haha... 

    (please don't ban me for that last comment Kat)
    Is everyone in Sweden a porn star?
    I'm sure some are just "former".  
    Are you sure about that? There are niches.
    I believe the kids call those "fetishes".
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    edited August 2022
    Latest poll. Results in bold, difference from the election results in 2018 below it.




    Summary of what is happening, closing in on the election (sep 11).

    - The Social Democrats (S) is going past 30 percent.
    - The traditional opposition party to The Social Democrats - The Conservatives (M) is getting worse and worse number in each poll and is now smaller than the racists in the Swedish Demcorats (SD), making the power balance between the two quite different.
    - The Centre Party (refusing to allow The Left Party to be a part of the government) and The Left Party (demands to be a part of the government) are now the same size. 
    - The limit to reach parliament for a party is 4%, which both The Green Party (MP) and The Liberals (L) have dipped below earlier this year, so interesting to see how safe or unsafe they are in the polls.

    The "left side" now has 51,2% 
    The "right and racist side now has 47,3%
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,472
    Bad news. In the latest poll the right wing is winning:


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited August 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    There's no law,  on any books that I'm aware,  that requires citizens to carry ID. So that's why it causes consternation in voting.  However,  voting laws are typically delegated to the states under the tenth amendment.  So there's no doubt they are constitutional,  UNLESS,  they are designed to disenfranchise under the Voting Rights Act,  which is where all of these arguments revolve. 
    I tend to think ID requirements cause issues because  
    1 it costs money and
     2 believe it or not some people can’t get one 

    older black Americans in the south were not allowed in white hospitals so they were born at home. Not all counties would even issue them a birth certificate 

    without  a birth certificate you can’t get an id with the new ID requirements.  The process to retroactively get a birth certificate is time consuming and complex 

    if you have lived 70 years without one a lot just don’t bother. They still have social security cards etc 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • Cropduster-80
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Bad news. In the latest poll the right wing is winning:


    But your right wing isn’t like our right wing correct? 

    I would think minus the fringe the actual government would be probably moderate democrats in the US

    or am I way off?


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