Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is.
So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?
In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX
Sounds medieval to not have one... haha...
(please don't ban me for that last comment Kat)
When you move, you notify the USPS and mail will be forwarded to your new address. But utilities, bank, credit cards, etc. is all on you. Moving is a total pain. So glad I've been in the same home for 16 years now.
Edit, you have to notify your county or your city for the voting change. It's only one notification on voting. Everything gets updated for state and federal elections. At least that's how it's been for the states where I've lived.
Ah okey. Here, when you notify of an adress change for the civil registry you can pay a smal sum to also get forwarding through the post office for a year.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is.
So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?
In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX
Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is.
So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?
In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX
Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is.
So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?
In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX
Okey, in Sweden you are registered to an address. And if you move, you notify the tax agency the new address. This also makes all the mail to come to the right address - from your bank, the tax agency etc -- because they pull it from this civil registry. I would imagine kids are automatically registered on the address of their legal guardian is.
So, if you move in the US you have to contact every agency that send mail your new address manually?
In Sweden you get a social security number at birth - YYMMDD-XXX
Latest poll. Results in bold, difference from the election results in 2018 below it.
Summary of what is happening, closing in on the election (sep 11).
- The Social Democrats (S) is going past 30 percent. - The traditional opposition party to The Social Democrats - The Conservatives (M) is getting worse and worse number in each poll and is now smaller than the racists in the Swedish Demcorats (SD), making the power balance between the two quite different. - The Centre Party (refusing to allow The Left Party to be a part of the government) and The Left Party (demands to be a part of the government) are now the same size. - The limit to reach parliament for a party is 4%, which both The Green Party (MP) and The Liberals (L) have dipped below earlier this year, so interesting to see how safe or unsafe they are in the polls.
The "left side" now has 51,2% The "right and racist side now has 47,3%
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
There's no law, on any books that I'm aware, that requires citizens to carry ID. So that's why it causes consternation in voting. However, voting laws are typically delegated to the states under the tenth amendment. So there's no doubt they are constitutional, UNLESS, they are designed to disenfranchise under the Voting Rights Act, which is where all of these arguments revolve.
I tend to think ID requirements cause issues because 1 it costs money and 2 believe it or not some people can’t get one
older black Americans in the south were not allowed in white hospitals so they were born at home. Not all counties would even issue them a birth certificate
without a birth certificate you can’t get an id with the new ID requirements. The process to retroactively get a birth certificate is time consuming and complex
if you have lived 70 years without one a lot just don’t bother. They still have social security cards etc
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Bad news. In the latest poll the right wing is winning:
But your right wing isn’t like our right wing correct?
I would think minus the fringe the actual government would be probably moderate democrats in the US
or am I way off?
nope. same racist white supremacist bullshit here and elsewhere in europe.
I know when I lived in the uk, there was a lot of fringe right however the conservative government actually governing was left of center by US standards. The vast majority wouldn’t get out of a US congressional republican primary
taxation, health care, climate, being big ones. Even their immigration positions were no where near trump for example. Plus they weren’t all religious nuts
I’ve seen some of the nationalistic stuff in Sweden with the immigrants they are accepting so I’m wondering how much that is driving the right and is it a single issue. Will a conservative coalition government actually implement a racist platform from their fringe? Or will it fall apart and there is no majority coalition
19 percent racists is probably less than the US if all the racists are voting SD. Not that having less racists would be anything to be proud of as it’s still a lot
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Bad news. In the latest poll the right wing is winning:
But your right wing isn’t like our right wing correct?
I would think minus the fringe the actual government would be probably moderate democrats in the US
or am I way off?
nope. same racist white supremacist bullshit here and elsewhere in europe.
I know when I lived in the uk, there was a lot of fringe right however the conservative government actually governing was left of center by US standards. The vast majority wouldn’t get out of a US congressional republican primary
taxation, health care, climate, being big ones. Even their immigration positions were no where near trump for example. Plus they weren’t all religious nuts
I’ve seen some of the nationalistic stuff in Sweden with the immigrants they are accepting so I’m wondering how much that is driving the right and is it a single issue. Will a conservative coalition government actually implement a racist platform from their fringe? Or will it fall apart and there is no majority coalition
19 percent racists is probably less than the US if all the racists are voting SD. Not that having less racists would be anything to be proud of as it’s still a lot
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Bad news. In the latest poll the right wing is winning:
But your right wing isn’t like our right wing correct?
I would think minus the fringe the actual government would be probably moderate democrats in the US
or am I way off?
The big conservative right wing party (M) consideres themselves a liberal party.
I don't now if you can make a direct linear comparison, and also both the left and right wing adjusts their politics for where the country are (in all countries) and the right would move further right if possible I imagine.
But I mean, no party in Sweden stands by fucking up the right to abortion. No party stands by a death penalty. No party wants to remove public healthcare. As of now.
I did not vote for a right winged party at least. But I would not be surprised with them winning tonight.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
In Sweden of all places. WTF is going on in this world? Is democracy really doomed? I never thought I'd live to see this happening. So much for thinking, right?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
What is right wing in Sweden? Are they anti-immigrant, anti-Jew? Sounds like they are still left of American center on social issues. I just want to get a gauge as to what that means for you.
What is right wing in Sweden? Are they anti-immigrant, anti-Jew? Sounds like they are still left of American center on social issues. I just want to get a gauge as to what that means for you.
First, There is a difference in what a party campaigns on and think they can get the public onboard with and where they would head if possible. Just like any party in any country. We have had a history in the last decades of the voter base being in some "middle" and both the sort-of left wing (Social Democrats) and the right wing (conservatives) moving in there to appeal to voters. As in, conservatives have had success moving towards the middle and the Social Democrats have had to move there to to keep the voterbase which is moving right.
The traditional right wing sees themselves as "liberal" (but has moved further right in recent years, and would move further right if they could). They have taken "anti-immigrant" stances this election to snag voters from the racist right. But it is not crazy in the way republicans are in the US.
But in general: - They want to privatize healthcare - They want to further private schools and have stock companies be able to to make profits/dividends(?) from tax payers funds who funds our schools, including the private ones. - They want to pull back on the fight against climate with the idea that "green tech" will come and solve everything. While the left, based on science, says we need to drive less and change our lifestyle/way of living. - They want to lower benefits, employee-based insurance etc with the idea that everyone is a cheater who doesn't have a job, or can work - They want to cut back heavily on immigration and force language tests on people and such. - They want to give the police/justice system further rights by removing rights of the citizens.
In this election the big debate issues has been: - Immigration/segregation. The right want to lower immigration to the absolute minimum accepted by the EU/Global community. While the left believes it is ethically important to help people in need. Even with the left also pulling back on the amount to help, post our generous actions during the Syrian crisis. - Immigration/gang related crime. Both the right and left want to (obviously) curb the rising numbers of crimes and gang related crimes - connected to segregation. The right focuses solely on sentencing using the line "danish sentences for Swedish crimes" (guessing the Danes have harsher sentences) while the Social Democrats has used the line "for every Swedish krona we add to the police, at least one Swedish krona have to also be added to social services etc to prevent young kids falling into crime". - Climate. Has not been debated very much (sadly). But the right focuses it all on "new tech will save us anyways" and "nuclear power will solve it", while the left have tried to not talk about the life style changes that has to be made (thinking it will alienate voters). - Gas prices. The right wants to just cut them and have people drive. The left (The Green Party at least) want to keep prices to curb driving, but instead help out people in rural areas being depended on the car to get tax benefits. -Energy prices. Bot the left and right want to shield us from to high prices this winter. The left has called them "Putin-prices" while the right named them after the (former) prime minister neglecting these prices not being isolated to Sweden. - Welfare. The right wants to cut taxes which will affect our welfare systems, and also lower things like employee-based insurance if being unemployed. An old tactic by them to "force people into taking jobs" they believe people are to lazy to take if they get an insurance of 80% of their wage, or are to sick to work.
But, the problem here is not that the Conservatives, The Christian Democrats and the Liberals are forming a government. They governed together as early as 2006-2014. The problem is, that there has long been a "common ground" in keeping the "racist" party The Swedish Democrats away from power. But this election, even after promising an Auschwitz survivor that it would never happen, the right has folded and are in cohorts with the Swedish Democrats. A party that among other things - wants to stop fighting climate change "because it is the US, India and China that has to stop polluting - not us" and "a few degrees warmer up here, would only be good", they want to scale back our foreign aid to the absolute minimum if not remove it completely, they do not care about the Paris Agreement, they have had over 200 people with former ties to neo-nazi/anti-democratic organisations on their list of people to put into Parliament in this election etc.
Sweden was the last Nordic country (I am pretty sure) to keep a party like this at bay and away from power - with obvious complications in Parliament and the governing as a result. So a party accepting them and letting them in to power was perhaps unavoidable, with them growing in each election (being the second largest party in this election) and wasn't a problem that would go away.
How will it affect me? I imagine I might get lower taxes, and them giving the police the right to frisk immigrants at a whim or not helping out people fleeing for their life's will not affect me directly. But I wish we would have had a Parliament that wouldn't allow a party born from neo-nazis and I wish we wouldn't have a population (and parties) who look past that - or doesn't even care anymore.
Also, I believe that a society should be built with a strong backbone owned by it's citizens (through taxes). As in healthcare, schools etc. I do not believe in the whole of society being a market economy based on competition (instead of cooperation), and citizens being customers when getting healthcare and a product to have a high margin on when going to school.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Are there still neo-nazis in the party? Democrats in this country were born from slavery, but that was 200 years ago.
Also is NATO an issue, or is every party on board with joining NATO and condemning Russia? Or is there a pro-Russia faction?
The Left Party aligned with Soviet in the 60s/70s. The right wing didn't want women to vote or workers having 8 hour work days. The Social Democrats had a "race-biologic institute" in the 40s and their own secret party-FBI keeping tabs on opponents etc. Many parties have some shit in their past.
The Swedish Democrats was founded by people being connected to "neo nazi" organisations in the late 80s. But even in this election, an investigation found that 216 people on their list of peoples for Parliament had attachments or has had to anti-democratic/neo-nazi organisations.
And I mean, common sense dictates what is theater and what kind of people they attract with their "sole" topic being immigration as the root to all evil. I think they even blamed racism on immigration in this election. And there has been a lot of racists shit said by people connected to their party through the years. Like a hell of a lot.
All the right winged parties are pro NATO. The Swedish Democrats (who are full on cosnervative/Sweden first and only sweden) was against it, until this election when they wanted to be a part of the right winged coalition. So they changed their mind.
On the left, The Left Part and (I think) The Green Party was against joining (on these hastily grounds at least). Mostly because of Turkey and that country not being considered democratic. The Left Party was heavily attacked when they voted No to sending arms to Ukraine, basing their decision on the long standing Swedish tradition of not selling weapons to parties in active combat. But they changed their mind on that after criticism.
Everyone condemns Russia. But the Swedish Democrats leader had problems in an interview to pick between Biden and Putin. And the left tried to make that stick as them being pro-Russia.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
United Parcel Service Sweden AB Elektronikhöjden 5 175 43 Järfälla Sweden
That’s all I could find on Google..
seriously, something about anti immigrant anti human is taking over many places, even Sweden ffs.
in the US they are telling us they want it rigged, and are putting assets in place to try to make it so. Goodbye Roe, hello mandatory open gun carry laws, hello Cannons special rule just for ex presidents, literally saying trump is above the law. But no…nothing is afoot mods.
United Parcel Service Sweden AB Elektronikhöjden 5 175 43 Järfälla Sweden
That’s all I could find on Google..
seriously, something about anti immigrant anti human is taking over many places, even Sweden ffs.
in the US they are telling us they want it rigged, and are putting assets in place to try to make it so. Goodbye Roe, hello mandatory open gun carry laws, hello Cannons special rule just for ex presidents, literally saying trump is above the law. But no…nothing is afoot mods.
Backlash from years of private equity bankrupting entire countries futures and scapegoating the other so the fingers don't point at the architects of the problems. This is what happens when maximizing profits for shareholders so the stock market economy looks good while the real economy for everyone else gets worse. It will continue and the other will continue to be scapegoated so the extraction of maximal profits can continue.
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Edit, you have to notify your county or your city for the voting change. It's only one notification on voting. Everything gets updated for state and federal elections. At least that's how it's been for the states where I've lived.
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Summary of what is happening, closing in on the election (sep 11).
- The Social Democrats (S) is going past 30 percent.
- The traditional opposition party to The Social Democrats - The Conservatives (M) is getting worse and worse number in each poll and is now smaller than the racists in the Swedish Demcorats (SD), making the power balance between the two quite different.
- The Centre Party (refusing to allow The Left Party to be a part of the government) and The Left Party (demands to be a part of the government) are now the same size.
- The limit to reach parliament for a party is 4%, which both The Green Party (MP) and The Liberals (L) have dipped below earlier this year, so interesting to see how safe or unsafe they are in the polls.
The "left side" now has 51,2%
The "right and racist side now has 47,3%
1 it costs money and
2 believe it or not some people can’t get one
older black Americans in the south were not allowed in white hospitals so they were born at home. Not all counties would even issue them a birth certificate
without a birth certificate you can’t get an id with the new ID requirements. The process to retroactively get a birth certificate is time consuming and complex
if you have lived 70 years without one a lot just don’t bother. They still have social security cards etc
or am I way off?
nope. same racist white supremacist bullshit here and elsewhere in europe.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
taxation, health care, climate, being big ones. Even their immigration positions were no where near trump for example. Plus they weren’t all religious nuts
I’ve seen some of the nationalistic stuff in Sweden with the immigrants they are accepting so I’m wondering how much that is driving the right and is it a single issue. Will a conservative coalition government actually implement a racist platform from their fringe? Or will it fall apart and there is no majority coalition
19 percent racists is probably less than the US if all the racists are voting SD. Not that having less racists would be anything to be proud of as it’s still a lot
SC can answer that better than the rest of us.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
In line to vote. Opens in 7 minutes.
I don't now if you can make a direct linear comparison, and also both the left and right wing adjusts their politics for where the country are (in all countries) and the right would move further right if possible I imagine.
But I mean, no party in Sweden stands by fucking up the right to abortion. No party stands by a death penalty. No party wants to remove public healthcare. As of now.
I did not vote for a right winged party at least. But I would not be surprised with them winning tonight.
The Green Party and The Left Party usually overperforms in polls. And the racist right underperforms. So yeah. Dicey.
im off to bed.
amazing.
In Sweden of all places. WTF is going on in this world? Is democracy really doomed?
I never thought I'd live to see this happening. So much for thinking, right?
The traditional right wing sees themselves as "liberal" (but has moved further right in recent years, and would move further right if they could). They have taken "anti-immigrant" stances this election to snag voters from the racist right. But it is not crazy in the way republicans are in the US.
But in general:
- They want to privatize healthcare
- They want to further private schools and have stock companies be able to to make profits/dividends(?) from tax payers funds who funds our schools, including the private ones.
- They want to pull back on the fight against climate with the idea that "green tech" will come and solve everything. While the left, based on science, says we need to drive less and change our lifestyle/way of living.
- They want to lower benefits, employee-based insurance etc with the idea that everyone is a cheater who doesn't have a job, or can work
- They want to cut back heavily on immigration and force language tests on people and such.
- They want to give the police/justice system further rights by removing rights of the citizens.
In this election the big debate issues has been:
- Immigration/segregation. The right want to lower immigration to the absolute minimum accepted by the EU/Global community. While the left believes it is ethically important to help people in need. Even with the left also pulling back on the amount to help, post our generous actions during the Syrian crisis.
- Immigration/gang related crime. Both the right and left want to (obviously) curb the rising numbers of crimes and gang related crimes - connected to segregation. The right focuses solely on sentencing using the line "danish sentences for Swedish crimes" (guessing the Danes have harsher sentences) while the Social Democrats has used the line "for every Swedish krona we add to the police, at least one Swedish krona have to also be added to social services etc to prevent young kids falling into crime".
- Climate. Has not been debated very much (sadly). But the right focuses it all on "new tech will save us anyways" and "nuclear power will solve it", while the left have tried to not talk about the life style changes that has to be made (thinking it will alienate voters).
- Gas prices. The right wants to just cut them and have people drive. The left (The Green Party at least) want to keep prices to curb driving, but instead help out people in rural areas being depended on the car to get tax benefits.
-Energy prices. Bot the left and right want to shield us from to high prices this winter. The left has called them "Putin-prices" while the right named them after the (former) prime minister neglecting these prices not being isolated to Sweden.
- Welfare. The right wants to cut taxes which will affect our welfare systems, and also lower things like employee-based insurance if being unemployed. An old tactic by them to "force people into taking jobs" they believe people are to lazy to take if they get an insurance of 80% of their wage, or are to sick to work.
But, the problem here is not that the Conservatives, The Christian Democrats and the Liberals are forming a government. They governed together as early as 2006-2014. The problem is, that there has long been a "common ground" in keeping the "racist" party The Swedish Democrats away from power. But this election, even after promising an Auschwitz survivor that it would never happen, the right has folded and are in cohorts with the Swedish Democrats. A party that among other things - wants to stop fighting climate change "because it is the US, India and China that has to stop polluting - not us" and "a few degrees warmer up here, would only be good", they want to scale back our foreign aid to the absolute minimum if not remove it completely, they do not care about the Paris Agreement, they have had over 200 people with former ties to neo-nazi/anti-democratic organisations on their list of people to put into Parliament in this election etc.
Sweden was the last Nordic country (I am pretty sure) to keep a party like this at bay and away from power - with obvious complications in Parliament and the governing as a result. So a party accepting them and letting them in to power was perhaps unavoidable, with them growing in each election (being the second largest party in this election) and wasn't a problem that would go away.
How will it affect me? I imagine I might get lower taxes, and them giving the police the right to frisk immigrants at a whim or not helping out people fleeing for their life's will not affect me directly. But I wish we would have had a Parliament that wouldn't allow a party born from neo-nazis and I wish we wouldn't have a population (and parties) who look past that - or doesn't even care anymore.
Also, I believe that a society should be built with a strong backbone owned by it's citizens (through taxes). As in healthcare, schools etc. I do not believe in the whole of society being a market economy based on competition (instead of cooperation), and citizens being customers when getting healthcare and a product to have a high margin on when going to school.
Also is NATO an issue, or is every party on board with joining NATO and condemning Russia? Or is there a pro-Russia faction?
The Swedish Democrats was founded by people being connected to "neo nazi" organisations in the late 80s. But even in this election, an investigation found that 216 people on their list of peoples for Parliament had attachments or has had to anti-democratic/neo-nazi organisations.
And I mean, common sense dictates what is theater and what kind of people they attract with their "sole" topic being immigration as the root to all evil. I think they even blamed racism on immigration in this election. And there has been a lot of racists shit said by people connected to their party through the years. Like a hell of a lot.
All the right winged parties are pro NATO. The Swedish Democrats (who are full on cosnervative/Sweden first and only sweden) was against it, until this election when they wanted to be a part of the right winged coalition. So they changed their mind.
On the left, The Left Part and (I think) The Green Party was against joining (on these hastily grounds at least). Mostly because of Turkey and that country not being considered democratic. The Left Party was heavily attacked when they voted No to sending arms to Ukraine, basing their decision on the long standing Swedish tradition of not selling weapons to parties in active combat. But they changed their mind on that after criticism.
Everyone condemns Russia. But the Swedish Democrats leader had problems in an interview to pick between Biden and Putin. And the left tried to make that stick as them being pro-Russia.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Elektronikhöjden 5
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seriously, something about anti immigrant anti human is taking over many places, even Sweden ffs.
in the US they are telling us they want it rigged, and are putting assets in place to try to make it so. Goodbye Roe, hello mandatory open gun carry laws, hello Cannons special rule just for ex presidents, literally saying trump is above the law. But no…nothing is afoot mods.
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