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Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
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I live in the largest liberal city in Texas. They know where we are. It is a bit concerning to be surrounded by these people with the kind of rhetoric they are using.mrussel1 said:
Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
they hate liberals and will prefer soft targetsIt feels a little bit like what it must have felt like to have lived in Berlin surrounded by the East Germans during the cold warI mean they tried to run a Biden bus off the road here before the last election. I wouldn’t put it past them to do pretty much anything.Post edited by Cropduster-80 on0 -
Agreed there are bumper stickers at the plant "democrat Hunting permit" "infowars.com" "FJB" stuff like that. All a very similar type of person, it is very clear who is and isn't in the tribe. And if you aren't for them you are against them, at least in their minds.Cropduster-80 said:
I live in the largest liberal city in Texas. They know where we are. It is a bit concerning to be surrounded by these people.mrussel1 said:
Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
they hate liberals and will prefer soft targetsIt feels a little bit like what it must have felt like to have lived in Berlin surrounded by the East Germans during the cold warI mean they tried to run a Biden bus off the road here before the last election. I wouldn’t put it past them to do pretty much anythingScio me nihil scire
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Right, but what % of the trucks at the plant do you think have right wing stickers?static111 said:
Agreed there are bumper stickers at the plant "democrat Hunting permit" "infowars.com" "FJB" stuff like that. All a very similar type of person, it is very clear who is and isn't in the tribe. And if you aren't for them you are against them, at least in their minds.Cropduster-80 said:
I live in the largest liberal city in Texas. They know where we are. It is a bit concerning to be surrounded by these people.mrussel1 said:
Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
they hate liberals and will prefer soft targetsIt feels a little bit like what it must have felt like to have lived in Berlin surrounded by the East Germans during the cold warI mean they tried to run a Biden bus off the road here before the last election. I wouldn’t put it past them to do pretty much anything
I live in a purple state, purple area. I see very, very few political declarations on vehicles, clothes, etc. Never see a MAGA hat. Never see a Trump sticker, etc. I think the percent of people actually willing to go to war and throw away their cushy lifestyle is about 1% nationwide.0 -
You haven’t been to NH recently. And I say this as having been there in 2020 just before the election I noticed a discernible drop in the number of POOTWH yard signs, flags, etc. There are still a number of die hard supporters as it seemed almost every pick up, SUV and higher end car had a POOTWH sticker. 8 million more ‘Muricans voted POOTWH after 4 years and a lifetime of his BS. Don’t underestimate that.mrussel1 said:
Right, but what % of the trucks at the plant do you think have right wing stickers?static111 said:
Agreed there are bumper stickers at the plant "democrat Hunting permit" "infowars.com" "FJB" stuff like that. All a very similar type of person, it is very clear who is and isn't in the tribe. And if you aren't for them you are against them, at least in their minds.Cropduster-80 said:
I live in the largest liberal city in Texas. They know where we are. It is a bit concerning to be surrounded by these people.mrussel1 said:
Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
they hate liberals and will prefer soft targetsIt feels a little bit like what it must have felt like to have lived in Berlin surrounded by the East Germans during the cold warI mean they tried to run a Biden bus off the road here before the last election. I wouldn’t put it past them to do pretty much anything
I live in a purple state, purple area. I see very, very few political declarations on vehicles, clothes, etc. Never see a MAGA hat. Never see a Trump sticker, etc. I think the percent of people actually willing to go to war and throw away their cushy lifestyle is about 1% nationwide.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Pictures from the road trip. It’s a different world out there. I could have taken 1,000 pictures easily and that was through 1,500 miles of straight hardcore MAGA territorymrussel1 said:
Right, but what % of the trucks at the plant do you think have right wing stickers?static111 said:
Agreed there are bumper stickers at the plant "democrat Hunting permit" "infowars.com" "FJB" stuff like that. All a very similar type of person, it is very clear who is and isn't in the tribe. And if you aren't for them you are against them, at least in their minds.Cropduster-80 said:
I live in the largest liberal city in Texas. They know where we are. It is a bit concerning to be surrounded by these people.mrussel1 said:
Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
they hate liberals and will prefer soft targetsIt feels a little bit like what it must have felt like to have lived in Berlin surrounded by the East Germans during the cold warI mean they tried to run a Biden bus off the road here before the last election. I wouldn’t put it past them to do pretty much anything
I live in a purple state, purple area. I see very, very few political declarations on vehicles, clothes, etc. Never see a MAGA hat. Never see a Trump sticker, etc. I think the percent of people actually willing to go to war and throw away their cushy lifestyle is about 1% nationwide.
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Did the FBI do what it must do? Probably. They can't just let treasonous crimes go so as not to rock the boat.
That said, nothing good comes out of this. Either literally nothing comes out of this and it's "vindication" or something does and half the country chooses not to believe it. Either way, when the GQP gets power back, every appointee will be a loyalist beyond even the 45 administration, and/or violence in the streets. Either way, we're heading for some form of civil war.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Right but that doesn't mean they are willing to throw everything away and start capping 'liberals' and taking on the military.Cropduster-80 said:
Pictures from the road trip. It’s a different world out there. I could have taken 1,000 pictures easily and that was through 1,500 miles of straight hardcore MAGA territorymrussel1 said:
Right, but what % of the trucks at the plant do you think have right wing stickers?static111 said:
Agreed there are bumper stickers at the plant "democrat Hunting permit" "infowars.com" "FJB" stuff like that. All a very similar type of person, it is very clear who is and isn't in the tribe. And if you aren't for them you are against them, at least in their minds.Cropduster-80 said:
I live in the largest liberal city in Texas. They know where we are. It is a bit concerning to be surrounded by these people.mrussel1 said:
Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
they hate liberals and will prefer soft targetsIt feels a little bit like what it must have felt like to have lived in Berlin surrounded by the East Germans during the cold warI mean they tried to run a Biden bus off the road here before the last election. I wouldn’t put it past them to do pretty much anything
I live in a purple state, purple area. I see very, very few political declarations on vehicles, clothes, etc. Never see a MAGA hat. Never see a Trump sticker, etc. I think the percent of people actually willing to go to war and throw away their cushy lifestyle is about 1% nationwide.
Americans are soft. Look at the crying Jan 6th people. All of them apologizing. How many of them were defiant and committed to their beliefs? Only the ones out of jail who are grifting on this. But they didn't go into the capital.0 -
I would say over 25% how this shakes out over the greater central texas area i couldn't say.mrussel1 said:
Right, but what % of the trucks at the plant do you think have right wing stickers?static111 said:
Agreed there are bumper stickers at the plant "democrat Hunting permit" "infowars.com" "FJB" stuff like that. All a very similar type of person, it is very clear who is and isn't in the tribe. And if you aren't for them you are against them, at least in their minds.Cropduster-80 said:
I live in the largest liberal city in Texas. They know where we are. It is a bit concerning to be surrounded by these people.mrussel1 said:
Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
they hate liberals and will prefer soft targetsIt feels a little bit like what it must have felt like to have lived in Berlin surrounded by the East Germans during the cold warI mean they tried to run a Biden bus off the road here before the last election. I wouldn’t put it past them to do pretty much anything
I live in a purple state, purple area. I see very, very few political declarations on vehicles, clothes, etc. Never see a MAGA hat. Never see a Trump sticker, etc. I think the percent of people actually willing to go to war and throw away their cushy lifestyle is about 1% nationwide.Scio me nihil scire
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there is no chance 'nothing' comes out of this. The Feds don't raid without sufficient evidence they will find what they are looking for. If you get raided by the feds you are fucked. He will be charged with something for sure.OnWis97 said:Did the FBI do what it must do? Probably. They can't just let treasonous crimes go so as not to rock the boat.
That said, nothing good comes out of this. Either literally nothing comes out of this and it's "vindication" or something does and half the country chooses not to believe it. Either way, when the GQP gets power back, every appointee will be a loyalist beyond even the 45 administration, and/or violence in the streets. Either way, we're heading for some form of civil war.0 -
Well looks like the police may get defunded after all especially if Matt getts off has his way.Scio me nihil scire
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I have been wrong about them from the start. No way I thought he would even be elected in the first place. Every time I thought, no way this won’t happen, it does all the way up to Jan 6 and beyond.mrussel1 said:
Right but that doesn't mean they are willing to throw everything away and start capping 'liberals' and taking on the military.Cropduster-80 said:
Pictures from the road trip. It’s a different world out there. I could have taken 1,000 pictures easily and that was through 1,500 miles of straight hardcore MAGA territorymrussel1 said:
Right, but what % of the trucks at the plant do you think have right wing stickers?static111 said:
Agreed there are bumper stickers at the plant "democrat Hunting permit" "infowars.com" "FJB" stuff like that. All a very similar type of person, it is very clear who is and isn't in the tribe. And if you aren't for them you are against them, at least in their minds.Cropduster-80 said:
I live in the largest liberal city in Texas. They know where we are. It is a bit concerning to be surrounded by these people.mrussel1 said:
Do you wear a hat or shirt that declares your voting preference?Cropduster-80 said:
That’s why liberals need gunsstatic111 said:
non stop asymmetric warfare is my worry. I'm sure the pillars of the country will be fortified, I am worried about the rest of us.mrussel1 said:
What precisely could they do with that grant machinery that takes over the govt? You don't do that without taking over the power pillars of the country, that's the military and the DOJ. They'll be dead in a day.static111 said:
My fear as well.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
A lot of them have heavy weaponry and are current or former military. I really hope they don’t bring it.mrussel1 said:
Pfft. Bring it. What are they going to do? Throw their lives away for that? Those idiots inclined to do that already had their day. The rest are just normal keyboard warriors.Lerxst1992 said:Halifax2TheMax said:What secrets were in with the top secret documents that the National Archive retrieved and what was the intent or purpose of having them by POOTWH and what was their value to certain nations or leaders?Just that he took classified documents. MAGA nation will not let this stand, no matter what the documents contained. Goodbye America.
its not about gun control right now
they hate liberals and will prefer soft targetsIt feels a little bit like what it must have felt like to have lived in Berlin surrounded by the East Germans during the cold warI mean they tried to run a Biden bus off the road here before the last election. I wouldn’t put it past them to do pretty much anything
I live in a purple state, purple area. I see very, very few political declarations on vehicles, clothes, etc. Never see a MAGA hat. Never see a Trump sticker, etc. I think the percent of people actually willing to go to war and throw away their cushy lifestyle is about 1% nationwide.
Americans are soft. Look at the crying Jan 6th people. All of them apologizing. How many of them were defiant and committed to their beliefs? Only the ones out of jail who are grifting on this. But they didn't go into the capital.
this time I am taking them at their word.I hope I continue to be wrong and they don’t do anything. I’m not betting on it though0 -
It could be that he refused to turn over the documents and this was just forceable retrieval without filing a charge.pjhawks said:
there is no chance 'nothing' comes out of this. The Feds don't raid without sufficient evidence they will find what they are looking for. If you get raided by the feds you are fucked. He will be charged with something for sure.OnWis97 said:Did the FBI do what it must do? Probably. They can't just let treasonous crimes go so as not to rock the boat.
That said, nothing good comes out of this. Either literally nothing comes out of this and it's "vindication" or something does and half the country chooses not to believe it. Either way, when the GQP gets power back, every appointee will be a loyalist beyond even the 45 administration, and/or violence in the streets. Either way, we're heading for some form of civil war.0 -
The FBI is not a document retrieval service. The steps that have to be taken to get to the point of raiding the home of a former President would not be something they would do if they weren't investigating and getting evidence of a crime. it's gonna happen. the level of charges are hard to say, but I fully believe a raid like this will 100% lead to some type of charges.mrussel1 said:
It could be that he refused to turn over the documents and this was just forceable retrieval without filing a charge.pjhawks said:
there is no chance 'nothing' comes out of this. The Feds don't raid without sufficient evidence they will find what they are looking for. If you get raided by the feds you are fucked. He will be charged with something for sure.OnWis97 said:Did the FBI do what it must do? Probably. They can't just let treasonous crimes go so as not to rock the boat.
That said, nothing good comes out of this. Either literally nothing comes out of this and it's "vindication" or something does and half the country chooses not to believe it. Either way, when the GQP gets power back, every appointee will be a loyalist beyond even the 45 administration, and/or violence in the streets. Either way, we're heading for some form of civil war.0 -
You're right, it's not a doc retrieval service, but neither is the National Archives. I hope you're right, but I think this is a misdemeanor so it wouldn't surprise me if they don't prosecute, especially if they have what they were after.pjhawks said:
The FBI is not a document retrieval service. The steps that have to be taken to get to the point of raiding the home of a former President would not be something they would do if they weren't investigating and getting evidence of a crime. it's gonna happen. the level of charges are hard to say, but I fully believe a raid like this will 100% lead to some type of charges.mrussel1 said:
It could be that he refused to turn over the documents and this was just forceable retrieval without filing a charge.pjhawks said:
there is no chance 'nothing' comes out of this. The Feds don't raid without sufficient evidence they will find what they are looking for. If you get raided by the feds you are fucked. He will be charged with something for sure.OnWis97 said:Did the FBI do what it must do? Probably. They can't just let treasonous crimes go so as not to rock the boat.
That said, nothing good comes out of this. Either literally nothing comes out of this and it's "vindication" or something does and half the country chooses not to believe it. Either way, when the GQP gets power back, every appointee will be a loyalist beyond even the 45 administration, and/or violence in the streets. Either way, we're heading for some form of civil war.
You would think Garland or Wray would do a presser today.0 -
i hope this is the downfall of Trump.pjhawks said:
The FBI is not a document retrieval service. The steps that have to be taken to get to the point of raiding the home of a former President would not be something they would do if they weren't investigating and getting evidence of a crime. it's gonna happen. the level of charges are hard to say, but I fully believe a raid like this will 100% lead to some type of charges.mrussel1 said:
It could be that he refused to turn over the documents and this was just forceable retrieval without filing a charge.pjhawks said:
there is no chance 'nothing' comes out of this. The Feds don't raid without sufficient evidence they will find what they are looking for. If you get raided by the feds you are fucked. He will be charged with something for sure.OnWis97 said:Did the FBI do what it must do? Probably. They can't just let treasonous crimes go so as not to rock the boat.
That said, nothing good comes out of this. Either literally nothing comes out of this and it's "vindication" or something does and half the country chooses not to believe it. Either way, when the GQP gets power back, every appointee will be a loyalist beyond even the 45 administration, and/or violence in the streets. Either way, we're heading for some form of civil war.
That said... I have a very, very, very hard time believing that Trump was stupid enough to have anything incriminating at his house.
It's possible that he thought he was untouchable... but I really, really, really don't think they're gonna come up with anything. There's simply been too many warning signs. Way, way too many signals indicating that he's in legal crosshairs. And I honestly think left-biased media and democrats are partially to blame for this. NBC, CNN, internet, etc have been all over covering whether or not Garland would indict. I mean... personally if I'm Trump and I'm seeing this, and I'm watching Garland..... the thought absolutely crosses my mind that they might come search my home. So.... what would he do? Simply sneak anything incriminating somewhere else. Easy Peazy.
The only thing I can think of that would make the above inaccurate is if the feds have someone literally on the inside that could confirm that evidence is still in the residence.
I think Trump moved enough pieces on the chessboard here to put himself yet again in another position to be able to say "See! They're out to get me!" I hope I'm wrong, but I think I'm correct. I look forward to the day when people come on here, quote this and tell me I'm wrong.
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House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy told Attorney General Merrick Garland to "preserve your documents and clear your calendar," warning of an oversight probe "when" Republicans take back the chamber in the midterm elections.Wonder if they also have a “pre planned” data migration. Funny how the democrats are expected to preserve everything0
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If they're using a search warrant on the former president's house, the threshold is higher than all of the stuff you mentioned put together.static111 said:
The argument from PJhawks was that feds dont't get these things wrong. There are actually multiple instances of feds getting things wrong and creating evidence to fit their narrative that we know of. The Gainesville 8, AIM, Black Panthers just about any civil rights leader and into current times with mass surrveilance against racial justice groups and the Occupy Movement equating members or participants akin to terrorists.The Juggler said:
Uh....this is the most recent former POTUS. Pretty sure Garland has dotted all the T's and crossed all his I's...static111 said:
"From 1956 until 1971, the FBI stalked and sabotaged a wide range of groups - from the Communist Party to Martin Luther King's Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Cointelpro labeled King's nonviolent SCLC a Black nationalist "Hate Group," and hounded the Nobel Peace Prize winner until he was assassinated. " https://www.huffpost.com/entry/martin-luther-king-jr-rem_b_426841pjhawks said:Feds don’t get these things wrong. Raid on Mar-a-Lago is HUGGGHHEEE
Feds can and do get it wrong. Sometimes making up facts from nothing. There's other examples out there of Feds getting it wrong, I just thought I would provide one of the most egregious.
Lets not forget Comey mishandling Hillary's email investigation and loudly proclaiming about it for months, but not bringing up the Russia investigation into Donald Trump until 2 months into 45s presidency. So yes there is ample evidence that the Feds can and do get it wrong. That isn't to say that they did in this instance, but there is the possibility. Sure there is a new leader, but it is the same institution with the same historical biases.www.myspace.com0 -
Like hell they aren't. Those documents belong to the American people and the Nation Archives are the owner's on our behalf. They want their shit back. Again, it was negotiated, POOTWH denied having them, then they turned up and now it appears that the files/documents are incomplete. Some of which are highly classified. Why? For what purpose and by whom and who's orders did they make their way to Mar-I-Lieo? Who might benefit from said highly classified information, for a price? POOTWH fucked with the wrong people, our intelligence agencies and the National Archives and the wrong thing, our national security.mrussel1 said:
You're right, it's not a doc retrieval service, but neither is the National Archives. I hope you're right, but I think this is a misdemeanor so it wouldn't surprise me if they don't prosecute, especially if they have what they were after.pjhawks said:
The FBI is not a document retrieval service. The steps that have to be taken to get to the point of raiding the home of a former President would not be something they would do if they weren't investigating and getting evidence of a crime. it's gonna happen. the level of charges are hard to say, but I fully believe a raid like this will 100% lead to some type of charges.mrussel1 said:
It could be that he refused to turn over the documents and this was just forceable retrieval without filing a charge.pjhawks said:
there is no chance 'nothing' comes out of this. The Feds don't raid without sufficient evidence they will find what they are looking for. If you get raided by the feds you are fucked. He will be charged with something for sure.OnWis97 said:Did the FBI do what it must do? Probably. They can't just let treasonous crimes go so as not to rock the boat.
That said, nothing good comes out of this. Either literally nothing comes out of this and it's "vindication" or something does and half the country chooses not to believe it. Either way, when the GQP gets power back, every appointee will be a loyalist beyond even the 45 administration, and/or violence in the streets. Either way, we're heading for some form of civil war.
You would think Garland or Wray would do a presser today.
It is against policy for the AG or FBI Director to publicly discuss an ongoing criminal investigation. Their speaking should occur in a courtroom or before an investigative committee under oath and only to those things that do not jeopardize the ongoing criminal investigation. To do otherwise is exactly what POOTWH and the repubs want. Let them squirm and defend POOTWH's actions in a criminal court, not the press.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I think one of the big problems is that if all this is done behind closed doors in the interest of national security, what assurances if any do we have that justice is indeed being served and this isn't in his words a witch hunt. I for one do not take any of the intelligence services or the DOJ at their word without proof. We can't have democracy if we don't have transparency.Halifax2TheMax said:
Like hell they aren't. Those documents belong to the American people and the Nation Archives are the owner's on our behalf. They want their shit back. Again, it was negotiated, POOTWH denied having them, then they turned up and now it appears that the files/documents are incomplete. Some of which are highly classified. Why? For what purpose and by whom and who's orders did they make their way to Mar-I-Lieo? Who might benefit from said highly classified information, for a price? POOTWH fucked with the wrong people, our intelligence agencies and the National Archives and the wrong thing, our national security.mrussel1 said:
You're right, it's not a doc retrieval service, but neither is the National Archives. I hope you're right, but I think this is a misdemeanor so it wouldn't surprise me if they don't prosecute, especially if they have what they were after.pjhawks said:
The FBI is not a document retrieval service. The steps that have to be taken to get to the point of raiding the home of a former President would not be something they would do if they weren't investigating and getting evidence of a crime. it's gonna happen. the level of charges are hard to say, but I fully believe a raid like this will 100% lead to some type of charges.mrussel1 said:
It could be that he refused to turn over the documents and this was just forceable retrieval without filing a charge.pjhawks said:
there is no chance 'nothing' comes out of this. The Feds don't raid without sufficient evidence they will find what they are looking for. If you get raided by the feds you are fucked. He will be charged with something for sure.OnWis97 said:Did the FBI do what it must do? Probably. They can't just let treasonous crimes go so as not to rock the boat.
That said, nothing good comes out of this. Either literally nothing comes out of this and it's "vindication" or something does and half the country chooses not to believe it. Either way, when the GQP gets power back, every appointee will be a loyalist beyond even the 45 administration, and/or violence in the streets. Either way, we're heading for some form of civil war.
You would think Garland or Wray would do a presser today.
It is against policy for the AG or FBI Director to publicly discuss an ongoing criminal investigation. Their speaking should occur in a courtroom or before an investigative committee under oath and only to those things that do not jeopardize the ongoing criminal investigation. To do otherwise is exactly what POOTWH and the repubs want. Let them squirm and defend POOTWH's actions in a criminal court, not the press.Scio me nihil scire
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