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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My theory on what’s in the boxes:

    Classified intel of interest and value to foreign adversaries, for a price.

    Information or dirt on political opponents.

    Trade or technological secrets of interest and value to foreign adversaries, for a price.

    Love letters from Little Rocket Man.
    You would think stuff like that would be in a safe deposit box or something of that sort.  Maybe out of the country. 

    I don’t even keep car titles and stuff in my house.  
    You bury them in your backyard, don't ya?
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,609
    The Juggler said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My theory on what’s in the boxes:

    Classified intel of interest and value to foreign adversaries, for a price.

    Information or dirt on political opponents.

    Trade or technological secrets of interest and value to foreign adversaries, for a price.

    Love letters from Little Rocket Man.
    You would think stuff like that would be in a safe deposit box or something of that sort.  Maybe out of the country. 

    I don’t even keep car titles and stuff in my house.  
    You bury them in your backyard, don't ya?
    Or at a golf course / one-plot cemetery.
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  • Poncier
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    The Juggler said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My theory on what’s in the boxes:

    Classified intel of interest and value to foreign adversaries, for a price.

    Information or dirt on political opponents.

    Trade or technological secrets of interest and value to foreign adversaries, for a price.

    Love letters from Little Rocket Man.
    You would think stuff like that would be in a safe deposit box or something of that sort.  Maybe out of the country. 

    I don’t even keep car titles and stuff in my house.  
    You bury them in your backyard, don't ya?
    Mason jars are your friends.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,977
    Poncier said:
    The Juggler said:
    Cropduster-80 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    My theory on what’s in the boxes:

    Classified intel of interest and value to foreign adversaries, for a price.

    Information or dirt on political opponents.

    Trade or technological secrets of interest and value to foreign adversaries, for a price.

    Love letters from Little Rocket Man.
    You would think stuff like that would be in a safe deposit box or something of that sort.  Maybe out of the country. 

    I don’t even keep car titles and stuff in my house.  
    You bury them in your backyard, don't ya?
    Mason jars are your friends.
    I thought it was coffee cans?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Surely this thread was started with Ruddy Ghouliani in mind? 
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  • mickeyrat
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Surely this thread was started with Ruddy Ghouliani in mind? 

    referring to this? among others I'm sure....

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Surely this thread was started with Ruddy Ghouliani in mind? 

    referring to this? among others I'm sure....

    Has anyone seen Ruddy Ghouliani enter the GA court house? First, locked out. DOH! You’re a witness before a grand jury, not an insider. Trapped and asked questions by the fake news media, his responses were, uhm, well, I guess, depending on the severity of the consequences, I might defer but I might flip too.

    Rather than, “ I look forward to the grand jury’s questions and like every other American, I may exercise my 5th Amendment rights, guaranteed through our constitution and the rights afforded every ‘Murican but, this is important, I believe in the constitution and due process and that I’ll be vindicated. Thank you.”

    Only the best people and oh Lindsey Flimsy Flip Flop Faloozy how far has America’s mayor fallen. God speed.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    edited September 2022
    Suckers. So much fruit from the poisonous tree. And so much winning.

    “What they did was so illegal, at a level that you’ve rarely seen before,” Trump said in November 2021. “Now, in all fairness, it looks to me like this is just the early building blocks.”

    By February of this year, he was going even further. “It looks like this is just the beginning, because, if you read the filing and have any understanding of what took place, and I called this a long time ago, you’re going to see a lot of other things happening, having to do with what, really, just is a continuation of the crime of the century,” Trump told Fox News. “This is such a big event, nobody’s seen anything like this.”

    All of which makes the news that the Durham probe appears to be wrapping up its work all the more impactful. CNN reported that one of the top prosecutors working with Durham has left the Justice Department for a job in the private sector. And The New York Times reported that a grand jury empaneled by Durham has expired, with no plans for another one to be revived.

    To date, the Durham probe has led to three prosecutions – none of which even come close to the grandiose claims made by Trump that Clinton and her associates would somehow be implicated in the investigation. As CNN noted:

    “There are reports that Durham’s team also looked into a wide range of other matters that … Trump has publicly complained about – without bringing any charges. This includes potential wrongdoing by the CIA and other parts of the US intelligence community, on topics related to Russia’s pro-Trump interference in the 2016 election.”

    It’s also worth remembering here what the FBI’s original counter-intelligence investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election actually found: That Russia actively sought to meddle in our election, with the express purpose of helping Donald Trump and harming Hillary Clinton. They did so because they believed Trump would be better for their interests. 

    That was the conclusion of not just special counsel Robert Mueller, who conducted a probe into the matter, but also of a bipartisan report from the Senate Intelligence Committee.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/politics/john-durham-russia-probe-donald-trump/index.html

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Is today the day? Me thinks so. NY, we turn our lonely, longing eyes toward you.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,609
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Is today the day? Me thinks so. NY, we turn our lonely, longing eyes toward you.
    I used to prepare myself for disappointment. Now it doesn't even occur to me to be excited.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,296
    edited September 2022
    not an indictment but....

     
    NY attorney general sues Donald Trump and his company
    10 mins ago

    New York’s attorney general sued former President Donald Trump and his company on Wednesday, alleging business fraud involving some of their most prized assets, including properties in Manhattan, Chicago and Washington, D.C.

    Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit, filed in state court in New York, is the culmination of the Democrat’s three-year civil investigation of Trump and the Trump Organization. Trump’s three eldest children, Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric Trump, were also named as defendants, along with two longtime company executives, Allen Weisselberg and Jeffrey McConney.

    The lawsuit seeks to strike at the core of what made Trump famous, taking a blacklight to the image of wealth and opulence he’s embraced throughout his career — first as a real estate developer, then as a reality TV host on “The Apprentice” and “Celebrity Apprentice,” and later as president.

    James, a Democrat, announced details of the lawsuit at a news conference on Wednesday. The case showed up on a court docket Wednesday morning.

    “Donald Trump falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars to unjustly enrich himself, and cheat the system, thereby cheating all of us,” James said at the news conference.

    James’ office has spent more than three years investigating fraudulent or misleading valuations for its properties on annual financial statements that were given to potential business partners, banks or tax officials.

    The goal, the attorney general’s office has said, was to burnish Trump’s billionaire image and the value of his properties when doing so gave him an advantage, while playing down the value of assets at other times for tax purposes.

    “Today’s filing is neither focused on the facts nor the law — rather, it is solely focused on advancing the Attorney General’s political agenda. It is abundantly clear that the Attorney General’s Office has exceeded its statutory authority by prying into transactions where absolutely no wrongdoing has taken place. We are confident that our judicial system will not stand for this unchecked abuse of authority, and we look forward to defending our client against each and every one of the Attorney General’s meritless claims," said Alina Habba, an attorney for Trump.



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  • Bentleyspop
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    edited September 2022
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Is today the day? Me thinks so. NY, we turn our lonely, longing eyes toward you.
    You mean this?

    New York attorney general files civil fraud lawsuit against Trump, some of his children and his business

  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Is today the day? Me thinks so. NY, we turn our lonely, longing eyes toward you.
    You mean this?

    New York attorney general files civil fraud lawsuit against Trump, some of his children and his business

    The witch hunt continues.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    His accountants even threw him under the bus. 
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  • Bentleyspop
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Is today the day? Me thinks so. NY, we turn our lonely, longing eyes toward you.
    You mean this?

    New York attorney general files civil fraud lawsuit against Trump, some of his children and his business

    The witch hunt continues.
    Fake witch hunt

  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited September 2022
    I would think if it’s a civil suit alleging fraud and all kinds of stuff that are actual crimes then you aren’t doing yourself any favours buy suing instead of filing charges 


  • Lerxst1992
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    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Is today the day? Me thinks so. NY, we turn our lonely, longing eyes toward you.
    You mean this?

    New York attorney general files civil fraud lawsuit against Trump, some of his children and his business

    The witch hunt continues.
    Fake witch hunt


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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,977
    POOTWH claimed on Hannity tonight that maybe, a lot of people are saying, that maybe the FBI raided Mar-I-Lieo in search of Hillary’s emails. Don’t forget to donate to the POOTWH defense fund.
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    “Don’t rely on us.”

    And there you have it folks. The most honest, maybe the only honest, declaration POOTWH has ever made. Don’t forget to donate. Do it now. $5.00, $7.00, a $1,000 or more!
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    Cropduster-80 said:
    I would think if it’s a civil suit alleging fraud and all kinds of stuff that are actual crimes then you aren’t doing yourself any favours buy suing instead of filing charges 


    Obviously the standard of proof is much different, so that could be one problem.  Second, the relief being sought isn't criminal, it's to stop them from participating in business in NY.  This allows them to file a lawsuit without the victims (in this case the insurance companies, lenders, brokers, etc.) from having to be a part of the lawsuit or a criminal trial.  The DA can say they are moving to protect New Yorkers from future fraud, etc. similar to the prohibition from running a charity.  

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