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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 7,574
    $ sure makes people act stupid

    this guy won a title @ Clemson, his story prior was nice ( Falcons Ball boy, believe warrick dunn helped his family)

    now this...regardless of is this legal or that, its shady as hell for a guy making this kind of $ and being a supposed LEADER of men, a city etc......hes a clown.

    Just go out and meet women, its not that hard. 

    Because its not about Sex...its about CONTROL & other disturbing shit.......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    CROJAM95 said:
    $ sure makes people act stupid

    this guy won a title @ Clemson, his story prior was nice ( Falcons Ball boy, believe warrick dunn helped his family)

    now this...regardless of is this legal or that, its shady as hell for a guy making this kind of $ and being a supposed LEADER of men, a city etc......hes a clown.

    Just go out and meet women, its not that hard. 

    Because its not about Sex...its about CONTROL & other disturbing shit.......
    When I was 26, it was actually about sex. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,029
    mrussel1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    $ sure makes people act stupid

    this guy won a title @ Clemson, his story prior was nice ( Falcons Ball boy, believe warrick dunn helped his family)

    now this...regardless of is this legal or that, its shady as hell for a guy making this kind of $ and being a supposed LEADER of men, a city etc......hes a clown.

    Just go out and meet women, its not that hard. 

    Because its not about Sex...its about CONTROL & other disturbing shit.......
    When I was 26, it was actually about sex. 
    I think he's saying that most sexual assailants don't do it because they can't get laid (though I'm sure some do). They do it to control/manipulate the victim and treat them like an object or a toy. If Watson wanted sex, there's more than enough available high-end escorts out there he could've gone to. 
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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 7,574
    mrussel1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    $ sure makes people act stupid

    this guy won a title @ Clemson, his story prior was nice ( Falcons Ball boy, believe warrick dunn helped his family)

    now this...regardless of is this legal or that, its shady as hell for a guy making this kind of $ and being a supposed LEADER of men, a city etc......hes a clown.

    Just go out and meet women, its not that hard. 

    Because its not about Sex...its about CONTROL & other disturbing shit.......
    When I was 26, it was actually about sex. 
    I think he's saying that most sexual assailants don't do it because they can't get laid (though I'm sure some do). They do it to control/manipulate the victim and treat them like an object or a toy. If Watson wanted sex, there's more than enough available high-end escorts out there he could've gone to. 
    Bingo.....this wasnt about getting laid. Any dummy with a lil dough can get some, nevermind a high profile rich athlete. Something aint right with this guy or the countless other celebs that thrive off the POWER dynamic. They feel they are untouchable and can do whatever....sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you dont. This guy was sloppy. Also READ what the judge said...Agreed it was ASSAULT .....


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    mrussel1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    $ sure makes people act stupid

    this guy won a title @ Clemson, his story prior was nice ( Falcons Ball boy, believe warrick dunn helped his family)

    now this...regardless of is this legal or that, its shady as hell for a guy making this kind of $ and being a supposed LEADER of men, a city etc......hes a clown.

    Just go out and meet women, its not that hard. 

    Because its not about Sex...its about CONTROL & other disturbing shit.......
    When I was 26, it was actually about sex. 
    I think he's saying that most sexual assailants don't do it because they can't get laid (though I'm sure some do). They do it to control/manipulate the victim and treat them like an object or a toy. If Watson wanted sex, there's more than enough available high-end escorts out there he could've gone to. 
    I tend not to apply motives to people's behavior when there is zero evidence to support it.  This is completely conjecture. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,029
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    $ sure makes people act stupid

    this guy won a title @ Clemson, his story prior was nice ( Falcons Ball boy, believe warrick dunn helped his family)

    now this...regardless of is this legal or that, its shady as hell for a guy making this kind of $ and being a supposed LEADER of men, a city etc......hes a clown.

    Just go out and meet women, its not that hard. 

    Because its not about Sex...its about CONTROL & other disturbing shit.......
    When I was 26, it was actually about sex. 
    I think he's saying that most sexual assailants don't do it because they can't get laid (though I'm sure some do). They do it to control/manipulate the victim and treat them like an object or a toy. If Watson wanted sex, there's more than enough available high-end escorts out there he could've gone to. 
    I tend not to apply motives to people's behavior when there is zero evidence to support it.  This is completely conjecture. 
    Well yeah it's conjecture. It has to be. I can't get inside this guy's head. But there's research that suggests that many (not all, but many) sexual assailants do it for the reasons I mentioned. So that's my guess regarding Watson's behavior. What your guess? Why did your new hero have over sixty massage therapists and over twenty have accused him of sexual harassment or sexual assault? This isn't a courtroom, it's a message board. So feel free to speculate. Conjecture is a-okay here. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    $ sure makes people act stupid

    this guy won a title @ Clemson, his story prior was nice ( Falcons Ball boy, believe warrick dunn helped his family)

    now this...regardless of is this legal or that, its shady as hell for a guy making this kind of $ and being a supposed LEADER of men, a city etc......hes a clown.

    Just go out and meet women, its not that hard. 

    Because its not about Sex...its about CONTROL & other disturbing shit.......
    When I was 26, it was actually about sex. 
    I think he's saying that most sexual assailants don't do it because they can't get laid (though I'm sure some do). They do it to control/manipulate the victim and treat them like an object or a toy. If Watson wanted sex, there's more than enough available high-end escorts out there he could've gone to. 
    I tend not to apply motives to people's behavior when there is zero evidence to support it.  This is completely conjecture. 
    Well yeah it's conjecture. It has to be. I can't get inside this guy's head. But there's research that suggests that many (not all, but many) sexual assailants do it for the reasons I mentioned. So that's my guess regarding Watson's behavior. What your guess? Why did your new hero have over sixty massage therapists and over twenty have accused him of sexual harassment or sexual assault? This isn't a courtroom, it's a message board. So feel free to speculate. Conjecture is a-okay here. 
    Conjecture is a-ok, but everyone wants to eliminate someone's career based on their amateur psycho-analysis, lack of grand jury indictment and court settlements.  Sorry, I don't subscribe to that mindset regardless of the athlete.  I despise Big Ben, and he was accused (not convicted) of violent assault.  I never once thought he should be taken out of the league because of it.  

    What's my guess why he did it?  He probably has some sort of massage fetish.  It was cheap, easy and he got his share of strange from young women who weren't prostitutes.  Seems pretty simple to me.  
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,029
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    $ sure makes people act stupid

    this guy won a title @ Clemson, his story prior was nice ( Falcons Ball boy, believe warrick dunn helped his family)

    now this...regardless of is this legal or that, its shady as hell for a guy making this kind of $ and being a supposed LEADER of men, a city etc......hes a clown.

    Just go out and meet women, its not that hard. 

    Because its not about Sex...its about CONTROL & other disturbing shit.......
    When I was 26, it was actually about sex. 
    I think he's saying that most sexual assailants don't do it because they can't get laid (though I'm sure some do). They do it to control/manipulate the victim and treat them like an object or a toy. If Watson wanted sex, there's more than enough available high-end escorts out there he could've gone to. 
    I tend not to apply motives to people's behavior when there is zero evidence to support it.  This is completely conjecture. 
    Well yeah it's conjecture. It has to be. I can't get inside this guy's head. But there's research that suggests that many (not all, but many) sexual assailants do it for the reasons I mentioned. So that's my guess regarding Watson's behavior. What your guess? Why did your new hero have over sixty massage therapists and over twenty have accused him of sexual harassment or sexual assault? This isn't a courtroom, it's a message board. So feel free to speculate. Conjecture is a-okay here. 
    Conjecture is a-ok, but everyone wants to eliminate someone's career based on their amateur psycho-analysis, lack of grand jury indictment and court settlements.  Sorry, I don't subscribe to that mindset regardless of the athlete.  I despise Big Ben, and he was accused (not convicted) of violent assault.  I never once thought he should be taken out of the league because of it.  

    What's my guess why he did it?  He probably has some sort of massage fetish.  It was cheap, easy and he got his share of strange from young women who weren't prostitutes.  Seems pretty simple to me.  
    I agree he shouldn’t be kicked out of the league. I just can’t believe they gave him the biggest contract ever as if everything was normal. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    edited August 4
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
    How many people learn from mistakes before they are pinched?  He probably thinks he didn't do anything wrong.  And did he?  Did he do something wrong by asking for sex or propositioning?  What are the specific accusations by the four women that the NFL used to make their case?  Did he force them, manhandle them, rape them?  Not that I have heard or read.  Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 14,079
    mrussel1 said:
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
      Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
    What about in the workplace?
    May not be criminal, but certainly violates conduct/harassment codes and grounds for punishment or termination.
    This certainly is similar to that.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
      Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
    What about in the workplace?
    May not be criminal, but certainly violates conduct/harassment codes and grounds for punishment or termination.
    This certainly is similar to that.
    He wasn't in the workplace.  Unless you're making the argument that since he was getting massages organized by the team, that he was.  But that gets into the argument that the Texans org is equally culpable since they set up the hotel room and even provided him an NDA to give the masseurs.  These are the issues that make it difficult for the NFL to get into the federal discovery.  Why would Watson be punished and the team receive no loss of draft picks, fines, forfeited games, etc.?

    Now the federal judge found that he violated the NFL's definition of assault, so that's why she suspended him.  But what I don't know is what is that definition.  I haven't seen it.  But that definition is not the same as a criminal one, we know that much.  
  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 11,550
    On another note, the Hall of Fame game is on tonight. Football is back on TV.
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 7,574
    Jason garrett

    ouch

    man he’s not gonna be good… I’m a sleep already 🤣
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,115
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 33,136
    mrussel1 said:
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
      Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
    What about in the workplace?
    May not be criminal, but certainly violates conduct/harassment codes and grounds for punishment or termination.
    This certainly is similar to that.
    He wasn't in the workplace.  Unless you're making the argument that since he was getting massages organized by the team, that he was.  But that gets into the argument that the Texans org is equally culpable since they set up the hotel room and even provided him an NDA to give the masseurs.  These are the issues that make it difficult for the NFL to get into the federal discovery.  Why would Watson be punished and the team receive no loss of draft picks, fines, forfeited games, etc.?

    Now the federal judge found that he violated the NFL's definition of assault, so that's why she suspended him.  But what I don't know is what is that definition.  I haven't seen it.  But that definition is not the same as a criminal one, we know that much.  
    Why sign an NDA for a damn massage?!?
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 27,495
    mrussel1 said:
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
      Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
    What about in the workplace?
    May not be criminal, but certainly violates conduct/harassment codes and grounds for punishment or termination.
    This certainly is similar to that.
    He wasn't in the workplace.  Unless you're making the argument that since he was getting massages organized by the team, that he was.  But that gets into the argument that the Texans org is equally culpable since they set up the hotel room and even provided him an NDA to give the masseurs.  These are the issues that make it difficult for the NFL to get into the federal discovery.  Why would Watson be punished and the team receive no loss of draft picks, fines, forfeited games, etc.?

    Now the federal judge found that he violated the NFL's definition of assault, so that's why she suspended him.  But what I don't know is what is that definition.  I haven't seen it.  But that definition is not the same as a criminal one, we know that much.  
    Why sign an NDA for a damn massage?!?
    Because they knew he was a sick fuck.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    mrussel1 said:
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
      Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
    What about in the workplace?
    May not be criminal, but certainly violates conduct/harassment codes and grounds for punishment or termination.
    This certainly is similar to that.
    He wasn't in the workplace.  Unless you're making the argument that since he was getting massages organized by the team, that he was.  But that gets into the argument that the Texans org is equally culpable since they set up the hotel room and even provided him an NDA to give the masseurs.  These are the issues that make it difficult for the NFL to get into the federal discovery.  Why would Watson be punished and the team receive no loss of draft picks, fines, forfeited games, etc.?

    Now the federal judge found that he violated the NFL's definition of assault, so that's why she suspended him.  But what I don't know is what is that definition.  I haven't seen it.  But that definition is not the same as a criminal one, we know that much.  
    Why sign an NDA for a damn massage?!?
    Because they knew he was a sick fuck.
    If they knew he was a sick fuck, why did they agree to give him a massage?
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 14,079
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
      Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
    What about in the workplace?
    May not be criminal, but certainly violates conduct/harassment codes and grounds for punishment or termination.
    This certainly is similar to that.
    He wasn't in the workplace.  Unless you're making the argument that since he was getting massages organized by the team, that he was.  But that gets into the argument that the Texans org is equally culpable since they set up the hotel room and even provided him an NDA to give the masseurs.  These are the issues that make it difficult for the NFL to get into the federal discovery.  Why would Watson be punished and the team receive no loss of draft picks, fines, forfeited games, etc.?

    Now the federal judge found that he violated the NFL's definition of assault, so that's why she suspended him.  But what I don't know is what is that definition.  I haven't seen it.  But that definition is not the same as a criminal one, we know that much.  
    Why sign an NDA for a damn massage?!?
    Because they knew he was a sick fuck.
    If they knew he was a sick fuck, why did they agree to give him a massage?
    I think he means the team knew he was a sick fuck.
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 27,495
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
      Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
    What about in the workplace?
    May not be criminal, but certainly violates conduct/harassment codes and grounds for punishment or termination.
    This certainly is similar to that.
    He wasn't in the workplace.  Unless you're making the argument that since he was getting massages organized by the team, that he was.  But that gets into the argument that the Texans org is equally culpable since they set up the hotel room and even provided him an NDA to give the masseurs.  These are the issues that make it difficult for the NFL to get into the federal discovery.  Why would Watson be punished and the team receive no loss of draft picks, fines, forfeited games, etc.?

    Now the federal judge found that he violated the NFL's definition of assault, so that's why she suspended him.  But what I don't know is what is that definition.  I haven't seen it.  But that definition is not the same as a criminal one, we know that much.  
    Why sign an NDA for a damn massage?!?
    Because they knew he was a sick fuck.
    If they knew he was a sick fuck, why did they agree to give him a massage?
    I think he means the team knew he was a sick fuck.
    He knows that he is being funny guy
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Poncier said:
    mrussel1 said:
    One time?  Yeah, ok, you can learn from that mistake.  60?  That's a deviant.
      Is it criminal to ask a girl for a hummer?  Is that even 'morally' wrong?
    What about in the workplace?
    May not be criminal, but certainly violates conduct/harassment codes and grounds for punishment or termination.
    This certainly is similar to that.
    He wasn't in the workplace.  Unless you're making the argument that since he was getting massages organized by the team, that he was.  But that gets into the argument that the Texans org is equally culpable since they set up the hotel room and even provided him an NDA to give the masseurs.  These are the issues that make it difficult for the NFL to get into the federal discovery.  Why would Watson be punished and the team receive no loss of draft picks, fines, forfeited games, etc.?

    Now the federal judge found that he violated the NFL's definition of assault, so that's why she suspended him.  But what I don't know is what is that definition.  I haven't seen it.  But that definition is not the same as a criminal one, we know that much.  
    Why sign an NDA for a damn massage?!?
    Because they knew he was a sick fuck.
    If they knew he was a sick fuck, why did they agree to give him a massage?
    I think he means the team knew he was a sick fuck.
    Well the team didn't sign the NDA, they provided a standard form.  The masseuses signed it.  

    But to the point, this is the evidence that the team was aware and facilitated the situation, therefore share some culpability.  Instead, the league seeks to limit the punishment to the Black guy.  And, the league isn't even satisfied with the order of a federal judge, they want to punish further. We're all on board with this, right?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 26,115
    the league is exercising it's rights under the CBA.
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 27,486
    marshawn looks like he was very high/drunk


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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 14,079
    He was just there so he wouldn't get fined.
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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 7,574
    You see marshawns car? He was driving on bare rims


  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 27,495
    Think the Shits play DeShitbag Watson the entire 1st preseason game?
    Could be his only meaningful action this year.
    (Not counting whatever action he forces on someone.)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    Think the Shits play DeShitbag Watson the entire 1st preseason game?
    Could be his only meaningful action this year.
    (Not counting whatever action he forces on someone.)

  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 7,574
    Think the Shits play DeShitbag Watson the entire 1st preseason game?
    Could be his only meaningful action this year.
    (Not counting whatever action he forces on someone.)
    His lineman should take the night off, let him get “ handled” a bit
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 25,952
    CROJAM95 said:
    Think the Shits play DeShitbag Watson the entire 1st preseason game?
    Could be his only meaningful action this year.
    (Not counting whatever action he forces on someone.)
    His lineman should take the night off, let him get “ handled” a bit
    Yeah that's going to happen.  

    I do appreciate that you guys are just as hard on the owners that committed similar violations and the Texans who set up Watson in this environment.  

    Oh wait,  they aren't young Black men 
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 7,574
    mrussel1 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    Think the Shits play DeShitbag Watson the entire 1st preseason game?
    Could be his only meaningful action this year.
    (Not counting whatever action he forces on someone.)
    His lineman should take the night off, let him get “ handled” a bit
    Yeah that's going to happen.  

    I do appreciate that you guys are just as hard on the owners that committed similar violations and the Texans who set up Watson in this environment.  

    Oh wait,  they aren't young Black men 
    Oh please

    look at my posts, more than a few times I’ve mentioned those ass hats

    thats The penalty part of this, doesn’t mean your boy didn’t do what he clearly did



    so that’s a separate Issue all together , one that I’m for having a bunch of them loss their teams or worse
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