Canadian Politics Redux

my favourite part: 

He says it's unclear what the group was actually protesting

shocking. do these folks EVER know what they're so angry about?

HughFreakingDillon said:

my favourite part: 

He says it's unclear what the group was actually protesting

shocking. do these folks EVER know what they're so angry about?

Doesn’t seem any attempt was made to gain any understanding, that might have garnered some information. But why dialogue when it’s so easy to slander.

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my favourite part: 

He says it's unclear what the group was actually protesting

shocking. do these folks EVER know what they're so angry about?

Doesn’t seem any attempt was made to gain any understanding, that might have garnered some information. But why dialogue when it’s so easy to slander.

Are you suggesting they should have tried to gain understanding and garner information from and dialogue with a mob screaming racist slurs at them?

First, I pointed out the only proof of racist slurs is a member of the Liberals, so I take their word with more than a few grains of salt (maybe a whole silo, lol).

If we ever want to move forward from this hardening of stances, BOTH sides need to start listening. Unless you’re suggesting I ignore the other side because I get dismissed as a Nazi because I openly support the Conservatives?

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my favourite part: 

He says it's unclear what the group was actually protesting

shocking. do these folks EVER know what they're so angry about?

Doesn’t seem any attempt was made to gain any understanding, that might have garnered some information. But why dialogue when it’s so easy to slander.

Are you suggesting they should have tried to gain understanding and garner information from and dialogue with a mob screaming racist slurs at them?

First, I pointed out the only proof of racist slurs is a member of the Liberals, so I take their word with more than a few grains of salt (maybe a whole silo, lol).

If we ever want to move forward from this hardening of stances, BOTH sides need to start listening. Unless you’re suggesting I ignore the other side because I get dismissed as a Nazi because I openly support the Conservatives?

All I am suggesting is that racist fucks don't need to be listened to. They should be dismissed outright. I will also argue that these trucker convoy yahoos are fueled by racism at the root of everything - they don't even know wtf they are protesting at all, so I don't see why they should be listened to either. I don't think it's productive to listen to nonsense. I'm not talking Liberals/Conservatives here. I am talking trucker convoy morons.

Fair enough, I’ll continue seeking to understand which means (for me) not being dismissive of anyone, regardless of their stated views. I firmly believe that if you want someone to not change their stance, ignore them and you’re virtually guaranteed success. You and I can agree to disagree on this point.

Edit: Obviously I strongly disagree with your assertion that the convoy protests were rooted in racism, and again I trust we can agree to disagree.

"did you just call me a raghead? sorry sir, I don't know what you're angry about, but please, let me buy you a coffee and and we can discuss". 

fuck that. racists who be racisming don't need to be listened to. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

DarthMaeglin said:

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my favourite part: 

He says it's unclear what the group was actually protesting

shocking. do these folks EVER know what they're so angry about?

Doesn’t seem any attempt was made to gain any understanding, that might have garnered some information. But why dialogue when it’s so easy to slander.

Are you suggesting they should have tried to gain understanding and garner information from and dialogue with a mob screaming racist slurs at them?

First, I pointed out the only proof of racist slurs is a member of the Liberals, so I take their word with more than a few grains of salt (maybe a whole silo, lol).

If we ever want to move forward from this hardening of stances, BOTH sides need to start listening. Unless you’re suggesting I ignore the other side because I get dismissed as a Nazi because I openly support the Conservatives?

one of them was holding a noose. that can't really be interpreted any other way, can it?

what liberal said anything racist? I didn't see your post about that. 

I’m fine with hanging traitors, and don’t see the noose as racist in this context. I realize many (probably most) won’t see even the possibility of Trudeau being a traitor, let’s call a spade (the noose) a shovel (method of execution) when that’s what it is (probably the wrong wording to use, but I feel it fits).

 I don’t believe I said the Liberal supporters were making racist comments, but rather that it was only Liberals asserting racist comments were made by the counter-protesters. And as I said, anyone associated with the Liberals making such claims I’ll take with more than a few grains of salt until shown proof. Thus far I’ve only been able to find the one clip that shows no racism, though I did enjoy the footage I stumbled on of Trudeau being heckled by FN protesters at his speech yesterday.

PJ_Soul said:

DarthMaeglin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

my favourite part: 

He says it's unclear what the group was actually protesting

shocking. do these folks EVER know what they're so angry about?

Doesn’t seem any attempt was made to gain any understanding, that might have garnered some information. But why dialogue when it’s so easy to slander.

Are you suggesting they should have tried to gain understanding and garner information from and dialogue with a mob screaming racist slurs at them?

It just occurred to me (sorry it didn’t in my initial response) that isn’t that exactly what a news reporter’s job is?

Call him whatever you want...  and a lot of it is earned... but I would rather Trudeau in power for another ten years than anything these 'hockey stick flag bearer - freedom convoy' morons want.   He is in my opinion the lesser of two evils in this context. And I openly admit that he is a corrupt, greasy liar. 

I encourage them all to continue supporting and voting for the PPC.  Maybe after the ten - twenty years of constantly losing elections, the tiny light bulb in their head will illuminate and they'll realize that they are in fact a minority in this country. 

"You are entitled to your say, not your way." - Jason Kenney 

There is a lot of misconceptions about the freedom convoy etc... and while this is just my opinion... feel free to fact check: 

The Freedom Convoy was not a protest. And as such, it was not a protected right under the Charter nor was it democratic in any way. 

The leaders of this Convoy are FUBAR. Amongst them, racist bigots who promote violence. To be clear about that... we're not talking about a couple yahoos who showed up to Ottawa... these were the people who organized it and led it. 

The offspring of this shit-tree are the branches you now see showing up to basically accost Trudeau and Singh. And while a small amount of people see this as patriotic... I see it as idiotic and the exact opposite of good Canadian behaviour. 

How did this all happen?  I don't recall this blatant and unrelenting hatred of Trudeau after the Aga Khan scandal, or the SNC Lavalin scandal... which tells me the same people who hate him now quite simply weren't paying attention before.  This all happened and was born out of a worldwide pandemic that... and sorry if this doesn't fit people's narratives.. Trudeau did not cause.  The measures he took and supported were in line with every 1st world nation except Sweden.  We were and still are one of the freest nations on planet earth.  We enjoy many liberties that majority of countries in the world do not.  Liberties such as parking a large truck that suggests "Fuck Trudeau" right in front of the man's workplace for three weeks. If you cannot come to terms with plain and obvious truth and plain and obvious facts....  then leave.  Go live in a better country if you think our leader is a dictator and you think our country is oppressive. Good luck out there. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'll disagree with you slightly, Parksy, on a couple things. I understand the sentiment, but I recall Republicans shouting "don't like it, then leave" at people who were aghast that Trump was elected. I didn't really agree with that. I see it as kind of a "bad winner" attitude. While I don't care to open a dialogue with most of these truckers, I do think it's important to keep it open to people who don't agree with me politically. Until I deem it fruitless, of course. 

On our trip to Seattle, we stayed with friends in Vancouver for a few days. Both lawyers. We were having drinks with them and some of their friends and he launched into "ANYONE BUT TRUDEAU" rant and kept repeating it. Now, I had a few whiskeys by this point, but I know that no matter how right I (think I) am, I can't argue with a seasoned lawyer, especially if I'm even slightly impaired, so I just sat there and smiled and shrugged my shoulders. Let him outrage. He kept blathering on about the emergencies act hasn't been used in however long, the legalities and the embarassment of him being our PM (anyone dude? really ANYONE? Pierre? I don't think he really meant "anyone"). Like that's the only measurement we should use. One of his friends at the table actually told stories of working with him in his early years (again, the details are foggy due to the vacation whiskeys). She was in attendance at one of his blackface parties (the halloween party where he dressed as Aladdin). 

I found it interesting but I just don't understand the hate the man gets. I've said before, if someone better comes along, regardless of party, I'll vote for them. But as it stands right now, he still gets my vote. 

Agreed.  For me the folks who ought to just leave are the ones who went to Ottawa with a list of demands and cited that they were going to stay until those demands were met.  I'm very happy they were not violent (Jan 6th) however.... those who have such a skewed view of what democracy is... they are likely best served seeing what happens in other countries.  If this occupation occurred 2-3 years after an election, I would probably be more understanding... but this all took place after an election... to me it's just so disrespectful to those who voted against the things they believe in.   They were not satisfied with their say... they wanted their way. Take that attitude somewhere else is my thing.