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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,418
    edited May 2022
    hedonist said:
    Ooh ooh, my turn!

    Let’s see…

    Frown. 
    pretty sure that was directed elsewhere. like the subject of your comment? along the lines of this one?

    brianlux said:
    Groan.



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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    hedonist said:
    Ooh ooh, my turn!

    Let’s see…

    Frown. 
    pretty sure that was directed elsewhere. like the subject of your comment? along the lines of this one?

    brianlux said:
    Groan.




    Elsewhere for sure M.  My one word comments were directed at what I see as an absurdly irrational perspectives.  I suppose one could make the case that I'm wasting my time bothering to post a single word in response to who sometimes comes across as a... well, I won't say "troll", but that how one H described her... but said "troll" has also once mentioned that I'm thee only person here that has given her any kind of break, but I think a little groan or a yawn is actually practicing good restraint.  I know I've done worse.

    So annnnyway.... moving along...

    The whole Buffalo, NY business really boils down to hate.  In this case, hate in the form of racism.  And how terrible it is to see that on the rise here in America.
    Another form of hate I witnessed today was on the walking trail.  There was a group of 6 or 8 kids (all boys), ranging from probably 6 to 10 years old, some on foot, some on scooters.  One of the kids- this big kid who had that whole bully vibe about him- stopped his scooter next to my wife and I and pointed to one of the other kids and said accusingly, "He's gay", like it was some kind of disease. 
    I said, "Oh yeah?  That's cool.  I don't have problem with that.  There's nothing wrong with being gay." 
    The look on the accused boys face was so cool.  He looked at me with this stunned look that said, "Oh my God, that's so cool, I can't believe you stood up for me!" 
    And then the bully said, "But he's gay." 
    I looked back over my shoulder and told him, "SO? There is nothing wrong with that.  Get over it!"
    As we kept on walking I could hear the bully mumble, "That guy's weird", but the confidence in his voice was all but gone.    And there was no response from the other kids. 
    I hope something sunk in, if not for the bully, at least for the other kids standing around.  And I hope that other boy, who probably is gay, will remember that someone stood up for him and that he is worthy.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    Why do these always have to have only 1 issue to go solve vs lots of contributing factors?

    1) Guns are too easy to obtain, ammo is too easy to obtain 
    2) White supremacy is an issue and is more active and visible in the last 6 years
    3) Mental health is an issue, but also sometimes just a scapegoat to deflect
    4) Hate is being spread and encouraged via the internet, TV, radio, etc.  While free speech is extremely important, causing a riot...or the equivalency of a riot through the acts of many at different times is not ok and people should be held accountable.  

    We have created an environment of complete and utter hate.  No room for disagreements and discussion.  Hate the other and find people online that agree with you to back up your hate.  Now, when the hate is there, there is going to be a breaking point.  And since guns are so easy to get....the outcome of that breaking point is often heartbreaking.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    cincybearcat said:
    Why do these always have to have only 1 issue to go solve vs lots of contributing factors?

    1) Guns are too easy to obtain, ammo is too easy to obtain 
    2) White supremacy is an issue and is more active and visible in the last 6 years
    3) Mental health is an issue, but also sometimes just a scapegoat to deflect
    4) Hate is being spread and encouraged via the internet, TV, radio, etc.  While free speech is extremely important, causing a riot...or the equivalency of a riot through the acts of many at different times is not ok and people should be held accountable.  

    We have created an environment of complete and utter hate.  No room for disagreements and discussion.  Hate the other and find people online that agree with you to back up your hate.  Now, when the hate is there, there is going to be a breaking point.  And since guns are so easy to get....the outcome of that breaking point is often heartbreaking.


    All very good points- especially about it being a complex series of issues.
    As to where hate starts and what promotes it, I would add that in many cases that hatred begins at home.  Did the Buffalo shooter learn his hatred of people of color from his parents and family?  Probably.  Did the kid I talked to briefly yesterday learn to hate gay people from his parent or family?  Probably.
    And if so, I'm thinking learning tolerance, acceptance, and love starts in the same place- at home.
     
    What I personally struggle with is separating my hateful feelings about racism and homophobia from hating the people that are racist and homophobic.  I have a really, really hard time doing that.  Again, with that incident yesterday, I struggle with being angry with the upbringing that led to that bully kid hating gays, and not feel hatred toward the kid.  I'd like to think I can "hate the sin, not the sinner".  Can I, or am I just fooling myself?  I feel like the proliferation of hatred is doing more to fuel my anger and sense of hopelessness.  I struggle to suppress my inner misanthrope.  I know it's better to use the energy of anger toward something constructive rather than to get caught up in the hate.  That's damn hard business.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,375
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hedonist said:
    Ooh ooh, my turn!

    Let’s see…

    Frown. 
    pretty sure that was directed elsewhere. like the subject of your comment? along the lines of this one?

    brianlux said:
    Groan.




    Elsewhere for sure M.  My one word comments were directed at what I see as an absurdly irrational perspectives.  I suppose one could make the case that I'm wasting my time bothering to post a single word in response to who sometimes comes across as a... well, I won't say "troll", but that how one H described her... but said "troll" has also once mentioned that I'm thee only person here that has given her any kind of break, but I think a little groan or a yawn is actually practicing good restraint.  I know I've done worse.

    So annnnyway.... moving along...

    The whole Buffalo, NY business really boils down to hate.  In this case, hate in the form of racism.  And how terrible it is to see that on the rise here in America.
    Another form of hate I witnessed today was on the walking trail.  There was a group of 6 or 8 kids (all boys), ranging from probably 6 to 10 years old, some on foot, some on scooters.  One of the kids- this big kid who had that whole bully vibe about him- stopped his scooter next to my wife and I and pointed to one of the other kids and said accusingly, "He's gay", like it was some kind of disease. 
    I said, "Oh yeah?  That's cool.  I don't have problem with that.  There's nothing wrong with being gay." 
    The look on the accused boys face was so cool.  He looked at me with this stunned look that said, "Oh my God, that's so cool, I can't believe you stood up for me!" 
    And then the bully said, "But he's gay." 
    I looked back over my shoulder and told him, "SO? There is nothing wrong with that.  Get over it!"
    As we kept on walking I could hear the bully mumble, "That guy's weird", but the confidence in his voice was all but gone.    And there was no response from the other kids. 
    I hope something sunk in, if not for the bully, at least for the other kids standing around.  And I hope that other boy, who probably is gay, will remember that someone stood up for him and that he is worthy.

    Yes, yes and fucking yes on this!  Nice Brian.  This perked me up after reading!!!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    tempo_n_groove said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    hedonist said:
    Ooh ooh, my turn!

    Let’s see…

    Frown. 
    pretty sure that was directed elsewhere. like the subject of your comment? along the lines of this one?

    brianlux said:
    Groan.




    Elsewhere for sure M.  My one word comments were directed at what I see as an absurdly irrational perspectives.  I suppose one could make the case that I'm wasting my time bothering to post a single word in response to who sometimes comes across as a... well, I won't say "troll", but that how one H described her... but said "troll" has also once mentioned that I'm thee only person here that has given her any kind of break, but I think a little groan or a yawn is actually practicing good restraint.  I know I've done worse.

    So annnnyway.... moving along...

    The whole Buffalo, NY business really boils down to hate.  In this case, hate in the form of racism.  And how terrible it is to see that on the rise here in America.
    Another form of hate I witnessed today was on the walking trail.  There was a group of 6 or 8 kids (all boys), ranging from probably 6 to 10 years old, some on foot, some on scooters.  One of the kids- this big kid who had that whole bully vibe about him- stopped his scooter next to my wife and I and pointed to one of the other kids and said accusingly, "He's gay", like it was some kind of disease. 
    I said, "Oh yeah?  That's cool.  I don't have problem with that.  There's nothing wrong with being gay." 
    The look on the accused boys face was so cool.  He looked at me with this stunned look that said, "Oh my God, that's so cool, I can't believe you stood up for me!" 
    And then the bully said, "But he's gay." 
    I looked back over my shoulder and told him, "SO? There is nothing wrong with that.  Get over it!"
    As we kept on walking I could hear the bully mumble, "That guy's weird", but the confidence in his voice was all but gone.    And there was no response from the other kids. 
    I hope something sunk in, if not for the bully, at least for the other kids standing around.  And I hope that other boy, who probably is gay, will remember that someone stood up for him and that he is worthy.

    Yes, yes and fucking yes on this!  Nice Brian.  This perked me up after reading!!!

    I'm glad to hear that. 
    And thanks!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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