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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    edited April 2022
    so just downloaded those manuals over there. WOW!!!!! super detailed and pictures to boot. very well thought out and executed. Can go into to this with some measure of confidence I didnt have when thinking about it. Tool lists included too.

    yes, there's a workbench in the basement that I will be commandeering (wife's house, had it before we married used for junk storage right now.) Envisioned a towel on the bench top. Good tip on the containers, will do both. Thanks.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    mickeyrat said:
    so just downloaded those manuals over there. WOW!!!!! super detailed and pictures to boot. very well thought out and executed. Can go into to this with some measure of confidence I didnt have when thinking about it. Tool lists included too.

    yes, there's a workbench in the basement that I will be commandeering (wife's house, had it before we married used for junk storage right now.) Envisioned a towel on the bench top. Good tip on the containers, will do both. Thanks.
    I think I have used HiFI engine for manuals for my Marantz and Pioneer.  They were really helpful.  
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,163
    Glad you got the manuals! Those are complicated machines to tackle without them. 

    Also, if you run into any issues, the folks over at audiokarma.com are very helpful and knowledgeable. 

    Good luck with the resto!
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Audiokarma was the bulletin board type site that I was thinking of. Some pretty helpful folks over there.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    driving to look at the 1257 Saturday morning. Will likely buy.  All depends on the demo. Pictures show its in great shape cosmetically,  but pictures can also be selectively taken to hide flaws.

    Am armed with a little bit of knowledge. hope he will negotiate on price, going to counter with 120 down from 160. Range I was given by experts stated 125 to 150 if all was ideal and the new cart/stylus was decent.
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    1257 $140

    now on my way to get a 1228......

    obsessed anyone?
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,163
    mickeyrat said:
    1257 $140

    now on my way to get a 1228......

    obsessed anyone?
    Cool man! Enjoy them. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    edited April 2022
    1257 running disc 4 of Allmans at Atlanta Inter Pop Festival. Mountain Jam.....  Some work to do on it but happy enough being dead dog tired but cant sleep after about 725 miles on the night total.

    Need to dig into the 1228. No stylus,its broken off..... ordered a replacement from lpgear. shure 95g
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    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    edited April 2022
    New Stylus installed and the 1228 is running just fine. will do a service on it after a bit but think I'm gonna get the 1257 straight before I do the 1228. then on to the 1229Q.

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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,163
    mickeyrat said:
    New Stylus installed and the 1228 is running just fine. will do a service on it after a bit but think I'm gonna get the 1257 straight before I do the 1228. then on to the 1229Q.

    Very cool! How does it sound?
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    dudeman said:
    mickeyrat said:
    New Stylus installed and the 1228 is running just fine. will do a service on it after a bit but think I'm gonna get the 1257 straight before I do the 1228. then on to the 1229Q.

    Very cool! How does it sound?

    with no work other than stylus it sounds fantastic. left channel randomly projects a muted sound occasionally? and takes a second to get to speed. cue needs adjusted to soften its drop.

    so happy I grabbed this. Craigslist find from a pawn shop. all spindle accessories are present. 
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,163
    mickeyrat said:
    dudeman said:
    mickeyrat said:
    New Stylus installed and the 1228 is running just fine. will do a service on it after a bit but think I'm gonna get the 1257 straight before I do the 1228. then on to the 1229Q.

    Very cool! How does it sound?

    with no work other than stylus it sounds fantastic. left channel randomly projects a muted sound occasionally? and takes a second to get to speed. cue needs adjusted to soften its drop.

    so happy I grabbed this. Craigslist find from a pawn shop. all spindle accessories are present. 
    That's fantastic! Those little issues should be pretty easy to sort out. 

    Enjoy that thing!
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597

    if you haven't already gotten this , I suggest you do.very cheap  onsidering how an extensive this cdocument is...


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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    Gentlemen,

    what cart/stylus combos are you running and your various tables?

    just picked up an OE sled for the 1228 comete with changer dial. so 1/2 inch cart mount etc...

    also have a TK 120 TK 14 Sled coming with an OE Shure M75D and NG71 Stylus.
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,163
    mickeyrat said:
    Gentlemen,

    what cart/stylus combos are you running and your various tables?

    just picked up an OE sled for the 1228 comete with changer dial. so 1/2 inch cart mount etc...

    also have a TK 120 TK 14 Sled coming with an OE Shure M75D and NG71 Stylus.
    I have a few that I switch between on my Dual 1019.

    Pickering XV-15, Audio-Technica 4414 and an Ortofon FF-15 XE Mark II are the three that sound the best to me. (I have a collection of vintage carts and styli.) The Ortofon and A-T both have elliptical stylus and I have a conical on the Pickering. The conical gets used for older records that aren't in the best shape since it is so forgiving of pops and cracks. Not the most detailed for high quality pressings, though. 

    The other two are pretty well matched performance-wise with the A-T being a little more open and airy and the Ortofon being a little warmer and darker. 

    Which record or pressing kind of determines which sled gets mounted.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,597
    dudeman said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Gentlemen,

    what cart/stylus combos are you running and your various tables?

    just picked up an OE sled for the 1228 comete with changer dial. so 1/2 inch cart mount etc...

    also have a TK 120 TK 14 Sled coming with an OE Shure M75D and NG71 Stylus.
    I have a few that I switch between on my Dual 1019.

    Pickering XV-15, Audio-Technica 4414 and an Ortofon FF-15 XE Mark II are the three that sound the best to me. (I have a collection of vintage carts and styli.) The Ortofon and A-T both have elliptical stylus and I have a conical on the Pickering. The conical gets used for older records that aren't in the best shape since it is so forgiving of pops and cracks. Not the most detailed for high quality pressings, though. 

    The other two are pretty well matched performance-wise with the A-T being a little more open and airy and the Ortofon being a little warmer and darker. 

    Which record or pressing kind of determines which sled gets mounted.
    are you rebalancing the tonearm each switch or pretty well matched between them?

    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,163
    mickeyrat said:
    dudeman said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Gentlemen,

    what cart/stylus combos are you running and your various tables?

    just picked up an OE sled for the 1228 comete with changer dial. so 1/2 inch cart mount etc...

    also have a TK 120 TK 14 Sled coming with an OE Shure M75D and NG71 Stylus.
    I have a few that I switch between on my Dual 1019.

    Pickering XV-15, Audio-Technica 4414 and an Ortofon FF-15 XE Mark II are the three that sound the best to me. (I have a collection of vintage carts and styli.) The Ortofon and A-T both have elliptical stylus and I have a conical on the Pickering. The conical gets used for older records that aren't in the best shape since it is so forgiving of pops and cracks. Not the most detailed for high quality pressings, though. 

    The other two are pretty well matched performance-wise with the A-T being a little more open and airy and the Ortofon being a little warmer and darker. 

    Which record or pressing kind of determines which sled gets mounted.
    are you rebalancing the tonearm each switch or pretty well matched between them?

    I balance it every time I change it. I'll usually keep the same one on for days or weeks at a time and it only takes about 45 seconds to swap cartridge sleds and balance the tonearm. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited May 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    Gentlemen,

    what cart/stylus combos are you running and your various tables?

    just picked up an OE sled for the 1228 comete with changer dial. so 1/2 inch cart mount etc...

    also have a TK 120 TK 14 Sled coming with an OE Shure M75D and NG71 Stylus.

    Ortofon Red on my Project Carbon Debut

    Guy I ran into in a thrift store a few years ago gave me this long spiel about what a piece of crap my cart is. He said if I'm not spending at least a grand or more on a cart I'm wasting my time.  Funny guy.  I tried to explain that I base my stereo set up on two things:  1) what fits my budget and 2) at what point can I be satisfied with what I'm playing LPs on to my satisfaction and how can I get there.  It took awhile, but I'm there with this system:

    Project Carbon Debut with Red Ortofon and cork mat
    Marantz PM 5005 tuner amp
    Marantz CD 5005 CD player
    TAi100 Polk Audio bookshelf speakers on frameworks pads

    I cobbled together this setup from stuff I had up in the rafters for my wife:
    An older Goldring TT (not sure what cart, but it's decent)
    My old 70's Marantz tuner amp
    Another pair of Polk Audio bookshelf speakers

    16 AWG 5 Monster cable spool for both setups.

    I actually think her set up sounds a tad bit better (possibly due to the bigger room it's in), but she seldom uses it and I do now and then so I can't complain! 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Cropduster-80
    Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited May 2022
    Aluminium sub platter upgrade… worth it?

    I’ve got an acrylic platter already which is pretty heavy. The subplatter is a light plastic but the aluminium one supposedly adds mass. 

    Has anyone done it and if so is it a noticeable improvement?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Gentlemen,

    what cart/stylus combos are you running and your various tables?

    just picked up an OE sled for the 1228 comete with changer dial. so 1/2 inch cart mount etc...

    also have a TK 120 TK 14 Sled coming with an OE Shure M75D and NG71 Stylus.

    Ortofon Red on my Project Carbon Debut

    Guy I ran into in a thrift store a few years ago gave me this long spiel about what a piece of crap my cart is. He said if I'm not spending at least a grand or more on a cart I'm wasting my time.  Funny guy.  I tried to explain that I base my stereo set up on two things:  1) what fits my budget and 2) at what point can I be satisfied with what I'm playing LPs on to my satisfaction and how can I get there.  It took awhile, but I'm there with this system:

    Project Carbon Debut with Red Ortofon and cork mat
    Marantz PM 5005 tuner amp
    Marantz CD 5005 CD player
    TAi100 Polk Audio bookshelf speakers on frameworks pads

    I cobbled together this setup from stuff I had up in the rafters for my wife:
    An older Goldring TT (not sure what cart, but it's decent)
    My old 70's Marantz tuner amp
    Another pair of Polk Audio bookshelf speakers

    16 AWG 5 Monster cable spool for both setups.

    I actually think her set up sounds a tad bit better (possibly due to the bigger room it's in), but she seldom uses it and I do now and then so I can't complain! 
    Stupid comment from him.  Sure a thousand dollar cart is good, but you need a 4k TT and 3K speakers, 5k in integrated/pre/pro, etc. to recognize the improvement. Nothing wrong with an Ort Red for your Debut, which is an excellent TT.  Now you would probably notice an improvement if you went blue and you should consider that when your Red is cooked.  But he's talking nonsense.  

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